Author Topic: Looking for a new Wild Cat (Read 5843 times)

stimpylu32 · « **on:** October 23, 2007, 01:04:09 PM »

Ok guys , i have a 41GNR , simple to make , just run the 44 mag brass in the GNR dies and load no big deal , also have a 224 GNR in the works now , takes a little more work , i have to annel the 357 Max brass , then neck it down then load . Still not that big of a problem .

What i'm looking for is the round that would be more complex to make , maybe a cut down case with 2 or 3 steps to neck down . something in the varmint to small game class . Would like to keep it in a .224 , .243 or .30 cal as it would be a re-chamber of a H&R single shot rifle for now .

Throw some ideas at me , please , i have been looking at Ammo Guide's case drawings for some too .

stimpy

iiranger · « **Reply #1 on:** October 24, 2007, 07:41:14 AM »

Mr. Ackley's books are available from eabco.com, Sinclair International, and on ebay sometimes. (Forget the nurses stuff...!) He must have covered 10,000 cartridges and that was before PPC. You want to swage a belt on the case. He did with '06 cases. Made a shortened for .228 big game. Barnes had a 125 grain .228 bullet. 1 in 6.5 twist. With the advent of the smaller bores, you could take that old tech and put the tiny bullet in. Who is it doing the .20/.225 WCF? Or was it .225 Imp? Or if you just wish to be "Weatherby" you can work off the European cases that virtually copy US cases but not quite... That will give you "name" but probably little else by way of improvement and those cases are not free. Neck down the 7x64 Sharp & Hart. You will be so close to a 7 Rem Mag... but it is your "play." You have a good time. Haven't heard of the .20 PPC yet, or .20 BR... but what do I know? Not much. Enjoy.

Catfish · « **Reply #2 on:** October 24, 2007, 09:48:13 AM »

Stimpy,
Why do you want to do so much work?

If your wanting a long range varmint rifle in a handy rifle why not take a .223 otu to a .22-243 Middle Stead or a .22-6mm. I built a .22-6mm and it looks like my load will be an 80 gn. Berger bullet at 3,471 fps. I have had them to 3,779 but blowed primers, and looks like accuracy will be best at just under 3,500 fps. That takes an 8 twist though and I doubt you`ll be able to get an 8 twist in a Handy Rifle. You should be able to get good accuracy with 70 gn. bullets and push them over 4,000 fps with eather round.

SHOOTALL · « **Reply #3 on:** October 24, 2007, 09:51:24 AM »

22 cheetah ?
308 necked down to 223

stimpylu32 · « **Reply #4 on:** October 24, 2007, 01:37:28 PM »

Thanks guys , I am just looking for something diffrent , with all of the factory rounds out there finding a good varmint round is no problem and as for it being too much work , its more a case of can i do it or not .

Granted i would want to shoot it , but right now its the challenge of the loading that i'm looking for .

Stimpy

Condor1 · « **Reply #5 on:** October 25, 2007, 09:23:23 AM »

Maybe I have the only one like this.......in the 20-225 A.I. Just purchased recently configured in a T/C Encore rifle barrel. This should be able to launch a 20 cal. bullet of 30-40gr. over 4,000 fps..........225 will have powder capacity between 223 and 22-250 and is a strong case. The seller of this barrel is having the second rifle built on a SA Remington........C-1

SHOOTALL · « **Reply #6 on:** October 25, 2007, 09:28:53 AM »

invent something like take a 30/30 case cut it down to 357 Herret length then neck it to say 5mm ?

mcwoodduck · « **Reply #7 on:** December 07, 2007, 02:34:53 PM »

How about going the other way? Cutting it back to 2.25 inches Necking brass 20 ga to .577 and shooting Minnie ball out of it.

stimpylu32 · « **Reply #8 on:** December 07, 2007, 04:28:20 PM »

wd

already have a 45/70 and have a .577-450 MH in the works to shoot BP but i like the way you think .

stimpy

mcwoodduck · « **Reply #9 on:** December 07, 2007, 07:05:12 PM »

Thanks,
I have been thinking about that one for a 20ga 870 for a while with about 70 grains of pyrodex as a camp cannon.
What about playing with the 303 Brit case? I think I have a 100 or so once fired Remington in the garage I could send you.
Cut it back to 1.912" and neck it to .257 to make a rimed .250 savage or to 2" and neck to .264 making a rimed .260 rem and shoot 120 grain ballistic tipped bullets a little over 3000Fps in either. What do you think about using Weatherby's shoulder angle to make it more difficult and unique. Or cut it way back and make a 6mm PPC rimed.
I think the rim would be an advantage in the Handi. Or are you looking not to chase the cases you worked so hard to make, all over the range if you miss it on opening. Oh yea you could dis engage the ejector and make it an extractor. Sorry had a duhh moment.

Doesniper · « **Reply #10 on:** December 07, 2007, 07:15:58 PM »

6.8 spc necked down to 22?

zasxcd · « **Reply #11 on:** December 07, 2007, 11:30:14 PM »

6mm Musgrave (AKA 6mm/.303 British)

mcwoodduck · « **Reply #12 on:** December 08, 2007, 07:10:33 PM »

Hey I lied, I don't have the 303 brass out there. It may be at the other garage. I'll check there next week when I reload some shot shells over there. I do have a bunch of .223 once fired Fed, LC, and Remington you can have instead. How about cutting them back and making 251 fireball? Or 321 fireball?
Brian.
E-mail me and let me know where to send the brass. 200 OK?

bcp · « **Reply #13 on:** December 14, 2007, 08:10:23 PM »

Quote from: Doesniper on December 07, 2007, 07:15:58 PM

6.8 spc necked down to 22?

That is almost exactly the OLD wildcat 22 Lindahl Chucker, based on 30 Rem shortened to about 1.7 and necked to 22.

Almost anything that has been thought of has been done long ago.

Bruce

zasxcd · « **Reply #14 on:** December 17, 2007, 09:08:38 AM »

In keeping with the new shorter/fatter craze of useless cartridges, how about the .50BMG shortened to 2 inches and necked down to .12 caliber? Don't know if it would work in a Rem 700 short action, maybe a Ruger #1? Be the first on your block to have a 12000FPS Brontosaurus gun!!!

mcwoodduck · « **Reply #15 on:** December 17, 2007, 05:33:52 PM »

What did you decide on?
Do you want some 22 Hornet brass to blow out to a strait wall and stick 270 or 6.5 mm and use 85 grain soft points. Launch them around 1800 FPS. Or even neck it down to 6mm.
Or go heavy with the bullets and slower on the speed and make a mini whisper. Call it 264 Hush!
156 grain 264 round nose soft point at 1175 fps.

mcwoodduck · « **Reply #16 on:** January 05, 2008, 06:38:56 AM »

What about 22 or 6mm Dasher?
22-250 case cut down and necked to 22 or 6mm. Both are in my copy of COTW.
308X1.5
308 case cut down to 1.5 inches and necked the same as 308.
You could go with 7-08, 243 or 260 X1.5

Kurt L · « **Reply #17 on:** January 05, 2008, 07:05:11 AM »

22/3000 LOVELL no case turn from brass stock.
Just an idea for ya.

mcwoodduck · « **Reply #18 on:** January 05, 2008, 10:11:40 AM »

But he said he wanted to try cutting down a case and necking it down with the case capacity of .223. So I offered 22 Dasher ect.
Hey necking down 300 savage to 22 isn't that already called 22-250?

billy_56081 · « **Reply #19 on:** January 05, 2008, 10:51:09 AM »

This won't work for a handi and I'm not sure if anyone has done this yet but, I think an ultra mag shortened enough to fit in a standard length action would be a great cartirdge. I'd think in 7MM you could get 7STW velocitie in a standard action.

Hairtrigger · « **Reply #20 on:** January 05, 2008, 10:58:57 AM »

I just purchased a Ruger No.1 without a barrel. I have also been on a quest for a odd caliber that would be useful for woodchucks here in NW Ohio but not over powering as we have plenty of houses here in the flatlands.
I have decided that it will be a 218 Bee or 219 Zipper or Wasp with a 1/2 Oct barrel.
I considered the 220 Weatherby Rocket but I have a No.1 in 220 Swift that I could have punched out but there are plenty of shots I pass on because I feel the Swift is too much for the area that I hunt.
There are plenty of great calibers out there that you just don't see every day.

mcwoodduck · « **Reply #21 on:** January 05, 2008, 11:16:53 AM »

Hairtrigger,
Make it a hornet! Or K hornet.
Great round. Easy to find brass and dies.
low noise and with the 35-40 grain bullets it's a rocket that you will not have to worry about what it will do if you hit a rock.

stimpylu32 · « **Reply #22 on:** January 05, 2008, 11:28:09 AM »

Quote from: Hairtrigger on January 05, 2008, 10:58:57 AM

I just purchased a Ruger No.1 without a barrel. I have also been on a quest for a odd caliber that would be useful for woodchucks here in NW Ohio but not over powering as we have plenty of houses here in the flatlands.
I have decided that it will be a 218 Bee or 219 Zipper or Wasp with a 1/2 Oct barrel.
I considered the 220 Weatherby Rocket but I have a No.1 in 220 Swift that I could have punched out but there are plenty of shots I pass on because I feel the Swift is too much for the area that I hunt.
There are plenty of great calibers out there that you just don't see every day.

HT

Those are the reasons that i went with the 224GNR in my Handi rifle , it will be as good as a 222 Rem only with a rimmed case which works very well in break open single shot rifles and most shots will be in the 150 to 200 yard range any way . besides that i already have a handi in 218 Bee .

stimpy

Hairtrigger · « **Reply #23 on:** January 05, 2008, 11:46:36 AM »

Quote from: mcwoodduck on January 05, 2008, 11:16:53 AM

Hairtrigger,
Make it a hornet! Or K hornet.
Great round. Easy to find brass and dies.
low noise and with the 35-40 grain bullets it's a rocket that you will not have to worry about what it will do if you hit a rock.

I want something that the factory does not chamber or did not chamber the No.1 in.
I have a Hornet rifle (M77) in my office that I have been trying to get to shoot well for a friend, so far I have not gotten attached to it... I keep thinking that I like the 221 Fireball much better than the Hornet which I have two of already.

mcwoodduck · « **Reply #24 on:** January 05, 2008, 12:53:19 PM »

OK,
I was thinking it would be easier to do a rimmed round. But 221 fireball is great. How about 225 Win?

Ladobe · « **Reply #25 on:** January 21, 2008, 09:59:44 AM »

The 225 Win has been wildcatted in lots of configurations already and is a good parent case for it. I've owned wildcats based on this case in 17, 22, 24, 25 and 26 calibers, and friends with them also in 20, 27, 28 and 30. With a bunch of this brass and a large supply of .308 bullets on hand, I've thought about having a 30 Merrill pistol barrel made for my Contenders.

Kotimaki · « **Reply #26 on:** March 01, 2008, 10:51:16 AM »

Im working on a new one now , the 30.06 shh , my own version of a "whisper" like round....shortened an 06 case to 1.125 , and am currently working on dies. It will be a lot of work , but totally my own. Ive also done a .35 moose juicer , but not in a handi that one was built on a 760 action. 225 grain accubond at 2900 from an 06 case.

Greeenriver · « **Reply #27 on:** March 18, 2008, 04:36:19 PM »

If your looking for a rimed case, try a 32-20, less taper to it, sharper shoulders and necked down to 20cal.

Or a .357 maximun necked down to 20, 22,24, or 25 cal.

Just something to think about.

Greeenriver

torpedoman · « **Reply #28 on:** March 18, 2008, 06:49:30 PM »

suggestion lets take a 762x25 and neck it down to 5mm been giving this thought may be too bib a reduction for the brass but it sure would be a mover

Mikey · « **Reply #29 on:** March 19, 2008, 03:03:05 AM »

torpedoman - that concept may have already been worked on by Ron Reed who developed his 22 caliber sabot for the 7.62x25mm, or pretty close, I think. Mikey.