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Re: Pastor on trial for refusal to work with female minister
« Reply #30 on: November 10, 2007, 12:27:13 PM »
In the worst case scenario, Hillary as President. :'( :'( :'( :'(

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« Reply #31 on: November 11, 2007, 01:46:28 PM »
"if a woman is to uncover her head, (cut hair very short), she may as well go ahead and shave it !"

Exactly!
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« Reply #32 on: November 12, 2007, 03:01:02 AM »
I feel the point is not moot as it is another step down the same trail of misinterpretation .
Also how do ya'll  interpret the New vs. Old books ?
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« Reply #33 on: November 12, 2007, 03:49:25 PM »
  Shootall;

    It is a moot point, simply because whether a man cheats on the woman or vice versa..has NO BEARING on whether a woman should be a preacher !
  I see no relationship there, so for me and I am sure others..marital fidelity, either way, is a moot point as to why a woman should preach!

   ...In fact a cheater should not be preaching anyway, no matter who it is ..
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« Reply #34 on: November 13, 2007, 12:11:54 AM »
First--Every time a man is immoral so is a woman---50/50 deal.
Picking and choosing/cafeteria style---It is impossible for any group to see all of the words of scripture in the same light. It is not impossible for all to agree on several points though we come from different angles.
Christ is God.
Faith that Christ is God is imperative.
I have no clue why God chose to have the sexes set up as He does----However; He does--and that is crystal clear.
I have no idea of the consequences--but there are some.
The scriptures are the responsibility of the individual---and there are consequences too this responsibility. The church affiliation can't stand in for you and you can't/will not be able to hide behind "but I was taught."
This is serious stuff---for those who want to take God seriously.
NOW--do we make mistakes---YES! I think there are consequences for those mistakes. Maybe not hell but consequences.
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« Reply #35 on: November 13, 2007, 12:58:44 AM »

   Thumbs up on that, William.
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« Reply #36 on: November 13, 2007, 01:11:37 AM »
ironglow , so when men turn their backs on their women ( wife ) then women should no longer read the Bible or witness to one another ? if a woman's husband deserts her who is she to turn to ? as you can read the quotes above where it is her husband to whom she should seek interpretation of the Bible .
as far as 50/50 , not really there are many cases where men have wive(s) where the man has lied , and none know of the other ones !
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« Reply #37 on: November 13, 2007, 01:55:40 AM »
ironglow , so when men turn their backs on their women ( wife ) then women should no longer read the Bible or witness to one another ? if a woman's husband deserts her who is she to turn to ? as you can read the quotes above where it is her husband to whom she should seek interpretation of the Bible .
as far as 50/50 , not really there are many cases where men have wive(s) where the man has lied , and none know of the other ones !


   Shootall;
       Your rhetorical questions are so obtuse as to be hardly worth considering..but here goes:
 
  Answer to 1st question:  I in no way said that a woman cannot read the Bible or witness..don't know where you got that from. Of course a woman ca do those things, she can also teach women and children. Scripture even encourages older women to disciple the younger. My wife has taught women and children. as well as counseled women for many years.

   Answer to 2nd question:  She can and should, turn to the local church..that is what it is there for ! She can get counseling from a more mature-in-the-life woman, perfectly acceptable by Scripture. Of course, if she were to seek counsel from an older woman, she should pick one that has a successful marriage/family life for many years..just makes good sense.
   As far as the rest of number two question, your statement seems to imply that men often lie to their wives, while women never lie to their husbands..frankly, I don't have a reply to that statement !
 
   I have had numerous occasions where I counseled men and couples, and I find that lying is not confined to any one race, color, ethnicity or gender .

    I don't know your personal business and don't want to, but if a man were to come to me in a counseling capacity and frame his questions just as you framed yours;
    I would start to suspect that he has a close relationship with a woman that has been badly mistreated, or at least she believes in her heart that she has..
If you don't want the truth, don't ask me.  If you want something sugar coated...go eat a donut !  (anon)

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Re: Pastor on trial for refusal to work with female minister
« Reply #38 on: November 13, 2007, 03:58:27 AM »
My mom is a retired Disciples of Christ minister.
I think he was wrong and would not go to hear him preach.

But I also think he is entitled to his opinions and beliefs.
There is absolutely no reason for the state to get involved.
Put it in the news and let the people decide if they want to hear him preach.
why was he wrong after all there is no way they would let a man be a nun and that my friend is discrimination as well.
bernie :)
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« Reply #39 on: November 13, 2007, 06:20:10 AM »
iRONGLOW , sir let me assure you i would never seek anything from you !
From what you post it seems obvious you have the agenda !
I can also assure you  are so far off base with your observation on my relationship , YA AIN"T EVEN IN THE GAME !
But that's ok  one day you may see the whole picture instead of only bits and pieces . If i offend you then I suggest you refrain from reading my post !
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Re: Pastor on trial for refusal to work with female minister
« Reply #40 on: November 13, 2007, 07:00:14 AM »

why was he wrong after all there is no way they would let a man be a nun and that my friend is discrimination as well.
bernie :)

That's just what I think.
I am entitled to my opinoins the same as him.
He doesn't have to like the fact that she is a preacher but he didn't have to make a big deal about it in the middle of communion.
I think he was being a big baby about it but would not have called the cops.

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« Reply #41 on: November 13, 2007, 11:33:58 AM »
This isn't about marital fidelity.  A woman cannot be the husband of one wife....period!  She cannot preach in a Christian church.
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« Reply #42 on: November 13, 2007, 04:41:05 PM »
This isn't about marital fidelity.  A woman cannot be the husband of one wife....period!  She cannot preach in a Christian church.

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« Reply #43 on: November 14, 2007, 02:10:04 AM »
This isn't about marital fidelity.  A woman cannot be the husband of one wife....period!  She cannot preach in a Christian church.

Point made Swampman
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« Reply #44 on: November 14, 2007, 02:21:10 AM »
never said anything about fidelity , my point is the shocking number of men not being men ! not being head of the family !
This whole METRO MAN BS ! when men dress and act as women etc. and women dress and act like men and laws are passed to protect them the idea of women taking on traditional man roles is the norm !
The idea that the sexes are equal BS each has a role and each should respect the other .
each has a role in the scheme of life , yet we have allowed laws to be passed that rock the very foundation of the way we conduct ourselves . when the govt. tells who and who cannot preach a problem exist ! But the story this post explories is but the tip of the iceberg

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« Reply #45 on: November 14, 2007, 02:28:53 AM »
never said anything about fidelity , my point is the shocking number of men not being men ! not being head of the family !
This whole METRO MAN BS ! when men dress and act as women etc. and women dress and act like men and laws are passed to protect them the idea of women taking on traditional man roles is the norm !
The idea that the sexes are equal BS each has a role and each should respect the other .
each has a role in the scheme of life , yet we have allowed laws to be passed that rock the very foundation of the way we conduct ourselves . when the govt. tells who and who cannot preach a problem exist ! But the story this post explories is but the tip of the iceberg



SHOOTALL, every thing you say in this post is true, however I would contend, that the REAL problem in this country is the self centered MORAL DECLINE of the population, and a willingness to blindly follow a corrupt government.
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« Reply #46 on: November 14, 2007, 02:53:59 AM »
Dee you and i agree , but in this country we the people are the govt. ( that is if we choose to vote and hold the elected accountable ) . We have found ways to "play" the govt. to get things , and the politician's have learned to "play" the voters to stay in office ! SHAME AIN"T IT ?
The first time the country got off the moral path was the gay 90's ( 1890's )
and the depression shook things up along with WW-2 .
Guess it will take a real earth shaker to get folks back on the straight and narrow , and that might not be long in coming with all the threats in today's world !
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« Reply #47 on: November 14, 2007, 09:28:14 AM »
The only thing I would disagree with in your last post SHOOTALL, is that WE THE PEOPLE, have long since quit being the government, for the people, and by the people. The government has gutted the Constitution and Bill of Rights, and is in fact running "US". It is no longer a Republic, but is in fact a Socialist Regime.
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« Reply #48 on: November 14, 2007, 09:43:59 AM »
It is no longer a Republic, but is in fact a Socialist Regime. yup

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« Reply #49 on: November 14, 2007, 10:21:29 AM »

   Shootall;
   Sorry if I offended you..

    You haven't offended me..I get those same type answers from the cults also, when I talk with them..

   I'm going to exit this string anyway, the negative slant is becoming depressing..
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« Reply #50 on: November 14, 2007, 11:55:09 AM »
"each has a role and each should respect the other."

Amen & amen!  I couldn't agree more.  A Christian Lady has all my respect.  There is nothing finer, or more lovely IMO.
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« Reply #51 on: November 15, 2007, 02:39:29 AM »
Dee you are correct , I was stating what it is suppose to be , what we need to bring it back to ! hopefully in the voting booth !
Ironglow , I'm not offended just in disagreement on a few points and I can live with that , It is important that we all can allow each other that !
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