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I want to build a .375 H&H?
« on: November 05, 2007, 08:21:59 AM »
What surplus Mauser has an action long enough for this caliber?
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Re: I want to build a .375 H&H?
« Reply #1 on: November 05, 2007, 01:09:39 PM »
I would think a VZ24 for starters.  Possibly one of the Swedish Husquavarna made 98s, also a long action.  HTH.  Mikey.

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Re: I want to build a .375 H&H?
« Reply #2 on: November 05, 2007, 01:26:56 PM »
[What surplus Mauser has an action long enough for this caliber?]

None.

They are all too short. They can be safely lengthened to .30-06 length, but any cartridge the size of the full-sized .375 H&H cuts too deeply into the recoil lug area of the action for safety - especially considering the thumb cut/recess in the left rear receiver wall of military Mausers. Not to mention the bolt face work required.

The only true Magnum Mauser action is the Brevex Mauser, a commercial action long enough sans thumb cut, and with a belted magnum bolt face.
Other commercial magnum/long actions are suitable, such as the Browning/FN, CZ550/ZZK602, and the Winchester Model 70 to name but a few.

http://webpages.charter.net/375magnum/rifles.htm

Now, a .375 Ruger should be doable, with some bolt face & feed rail work.

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Re: I want to build a .375 H&H?
« Reply #3 on: November 05, 2007, 06:14:20 PM »
buy a Mark X mauser magnum action or a Ruger Mod 77 MK I I rifle chambered for either 7mm Rem mag or 300 Win mag and send to ERShaw and have it re barreled to .375/338 mag, it will give you the same ballistics the H & H will give. Dies are easy to get and so is the 338 Win mag cases, 1 pass thru the sizer die will expand the brass to 375 and your ready to load. This is a very easy conversion, no action work will be necessary, just the new barrel....I want one too.......JimP. ;D

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Re: I want to build a .375 H&H?
« Reply #4 on: November 16, 2007, 02:11:51 PM »
Have you thought about using a P14 or 1917 Enfield action?

There are "bubba-ized" p14 and 1917 Enfields floating around for $200 or so.  These have had the ears ground off, and probably drilled and tapped for a scope so you're not ruining a collectible or restorable gun.  I picked up a Remington-built 1917 that had been sporterized (poorly) for $200 at a gun show.  Replacement magazine boxes are available from Brownells to accommodate full-size magnum cartridges that the home gunsmith can install.  Dayton Traister has triggers, cock-on-open conversions and speedlock kits.  I don't think  there's anything wrong with leaving the bottom metal as-is - you can hold another round.   Send the action and a P14 bolt (ready for magnum rimsize) to E.R. Shaw and they will install and headspace the barrel very reasonably.  There's a good selection of solid wood, laminated and synthetic stocks available from Richards Micro-fit, Bell&Carlson, MPI and Boyds to name a few.   You can have a custom rifle at a reasonable price, and do much of the work yourself.

It's a very strong action on which many DG rifles have been built over the years.  My personal opinion is that a sound  1917 action is better than the Rem700:  integral recoil lug, safety that locks the striker, mauser-style extractor, etc.  IIRC, the Remington Model 30 was based on the 1917 action and was only replaced by the 700 because the 700 was MUCH cheaper to manufacture. 

While the 375/338 (same as 375 Chatfield/Taylor?) will duplicate 375 H&H ballistics, you probably won't find ammo at the nearest hardware store in Alaska or Siberia or Africa should the airline lose your ammunition or you just ran out.  I'm told 375 H&H can be found just about anywhere in the world.  Plus it's a delightful round to reload. 

Just my 2 cents.  YMMV

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Re: I want to build a .375 H&H?
« Reply #5 on: November 18, 2007, 06:37:00 PM »
I have a Mark X in .375 H&H and love it. The only drawback, is the limited seating depth due to the magazine length. If you build one, have the gunsmith throat it according to what will fit in the mag.

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Re: I want to build a .375 H&H?
« Reply #6 on: December 23, 2007, 07:12:59 AM »
[What surplus Mauser has an action long enough for this caliber?]

None.

They are all too short. They can be safely lengthened to .30-06 length, but any cartridge the size of the full-sized .375 H&H cuts too deeply into the recoil lug area of the action for safety - especially considering the thumb cut/recess in the left rear receiver wall of military Mausers. Not to mention the bolt face work required.
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I am sure more than a few of the English Rifle Makers would disagree.  Rigby, Jeffery, and Holland & Holland all made magnum rifle on surplus Mauser actions with no apparent difficulties.


S.B. 

Is there a reason you would prefer the 375 on a M98 action? 

Today, there are many more reasonable choices for actions, but a 375 on a M98 is not only doable but quite correct.

Any action you find that is made for the basic 57 mm case will need the bolt and feed rails altered and the action opened up to accept the length of the 375.

Perhaps a different cartridge would be an alternative.  Say the 375 on the 338 case as already mentioned.

Or even the 375 Hawk/Scovill.

http://www.z-hat.com/375%20Hawk.htm

In a nutshell the performance of the H&H in an 06 case.  A lot of power in a smaller cartridge and at least one more in the magazine!

Something to consider.

Good luck and let us know what you decide.
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Re: I want to build a .375 H&H?
« Reply #7 on: December 24, 2007, 12:20:11 PM »
Sure is hard to beat an out of the box CZ 550 Magnum. $850 or so out the door, and there's no way you're going to equal it for anywhere near that price even if you do all the labor yourself. Just something to think about.....
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Re: I want to build a .375 H&H?
« Reply #8 on: January 26, 2008, 09:41:32 AM »
[What surplus Mauser has an action long enough for this caliber?]

None.

They are all too short. They can be safely lengthened to .30-06 length, but any cartridge the size of the full-sized .375 H&H cuts too deeply into the recoil lug area of the action for safety - especially considering the thumb cut/recess in the left rear receiver wall of military Mausers. Not to mention the bolt face work required.

The only true Magnum Mauser action is the Brevex Mauser, a commercial action long enough sans thumb cut, and with a belted magnum bolt face.
Other commercial magnum/long actions are suitable, such as the Browning/FN, CZ550/ZZK602, and the Winchester Model 70 to name but a few.

http://webpages.charter.net/375magnum/rifles.htm

Now, a .375 Ruger should be doable, with some bolt face & feed rail work.



How is it then, that people like H&H and other British gun makers have used them, as custom rifle platform(in this caliber) since the early 1900s?
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