I've seen three deer shot with them. One made 30yds. One dropped right there (high hit, spine shot) The last one ran 20 yds,and piled up. I've learned that if you don't want a deer to run after the shot,then shoot them in the front shoulder (a little high)! If I was taking this shot,and planning on shattering the shoulder blade,and damaging the spinal colum, I would go with the Bonded Shock Waves.