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Offline mamaflinter

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« on: June 20, 2003, 04:09:06 PM »
I could use your help on this. I was sent an email from a fellow interested in finding out more about an ancient flintlock he has. So I built a webpage featuring the rifle with all information I have on it as well as 2 pictures. It's a beauty. If anyone wants to see the rifle please go to http://mamaflinter.tripod.com/beginningguidetomuzzleloaders/id24.html If you have any information, please email me and let me know. Thank you.

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« Reply #1 on: June 20, 2003, 04:25:39 PM »
Did you ask Commaander Kne?  He might surprise you.
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« Reply #2 on: June 20, 2003, 06:02:12 PM »
I'm not really sure at this point. The photos are a bit vage. Have him ship it to me please,for closer inspection. :-D

Serious. Amazing piece to be found this late. I sure hope the young man considers the loan of it to a museum for proper care. I wouldn't even wanna touch it with bare fingers.
The M.L.A.G.B might have bit more knowledge, some European history buff's and collectors are well studied.

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« Reply #3 on: June 21, 2003, 02:14:58 AM »
Johnt He did take it to a museum in Toronto and they had several pieces like it and had no need of it. So he wrote me asking for help in identifying it. They didn't give him a full description only telling him what I put on the site.

BTW I did ask Commander KNE and I'm sending all the emails and links to the owner of the rifle so he can see everything being said about it.

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« Reply #4 on: June 22, 2003, 04:40:25 AM »
The lock is not a "Nicolet", but rather a "Miquelet" or "Miguelet" (both spellings are common). The lock form is usually associated with Spain, but nobody can say for sure where any particular lock form originated. There are two forms of this lock type: 1) the mainspring (exterior) bears DOWN on the toe of the cock; 2) the mainspring bears UP on the heel of the cock. Both work acceptably well. I have seen miquelet pistols dated as late as 1812 (Spanish). There easily may be later ones, especially the farther East one goes. This particular lock is rather odd in that there seems to be some sort of shield over the mainspring, and it looks to be built on a European lockplate. Possibly an example of a gunsmith improvising with what was at hand...a common enough phenomenon.
The stock is definitely of an Eastern type; without handling it, it's hard to say, but I think it's the type which is not butted up against the shoulder, but simply held alongside the cheek. I would be very surprised if the weapon were rifled; rather it is probably a sporting smoothbore, built for relatively light loads. Too much decoration for an arm issued to a soldier. It DEFINITELY should be looked at by an expert, at close hand. These photos are good enough for a quick guess, but it has to be held in the hands to be able to really "talk" to the student. I would be extremely hesitant to fire it; the barrel should be thoroughly examined.
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« Reply #5 on: July 03, 2003, 05:10:36 PM »
:D   I agree with Charalie Detroit on his knowledge.  I was going to say Turkish in origin and that would be the general area.  From looking at the rifle I would be interested to know if it is rifled or not,but I would doubt it.  From all of the inlay,inlay I would have to say it was at some time a prised possession of someone other than a common soldier.  Other than that..............I have nothing.  Stay safe..........King :oops:  :oops:
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