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.243 for deer
« on: November 21, 2007, 02:06:04 PM »
I have been doing lots of reading about the pros and cons of the .243 for deer size animals and have noticed that those that have not had significant experience with this caliber question its' effectiveness but those with lots of experience have no question of its ability.  I personally fall into the group with minimal experience.  But after reading many of those that do have the experience, I tried my sons .243 ( he used my .270 because the .243 was a varmint gun not a deer gun)  Well I shot a deer at 130 yards (my farthest yet).  Broke both shoulders broke the spine and lodged just under the hide on the other side (100gr reminton ) BANG FLOP.  I know it don't always happen like that but the evidence seems to be undeniable - personal experience,the experience of those like flintlock on this site and look at the ballistics - should be much better than the .30.30. So why do I look at that little bullet and still have a little doubt? Blood trail? penetration? everyone has a story of the poor blood trail and my son once shot a deer at 65 yards with the .270 - broke both shoulders spine and lodged just under the hide I'm thinking this is a legitimate  300 yard deer gun Yes?  Would love to here experiences that prove otherwise  sorry for the length.

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Re: .243 for deer
« Reply #1 on: November 21, 2007, 02:54:27 PM »
You are right. I look at that little bullet and wonder!!!!! :o I am going Deer hunting with my 243 on Monday and sure hope it works. I will be using Winchester Super X 100 grain Power points. I hope to get my first Deer on Monday. Dale
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Re: .243 for deer
« Reply #2 on: November 21, 2007, 03:09:03 PM »
Actual experience seems to favor the .243 as a suitable deer round.  "Theory" says it shouldn't work  (Like mentioned, EVERY round has had a "failure" for someone)
Shoot the .243 with confidence I say.  There's alot of venison in freezers due to the .243
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Re: .243 for deer
« Reply #3 on: November 21, 2007, 03:11:55 PM »
Best of luck with it.  I'm hang'n it up as a deer cartridge.  I'm not really happy with it, but, whatever floats your boat!!!
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Re: .243 for deer
« Reply #4 on: November 21, 2007, 03:41:10 PM »
Best of luck with it.  I'm hang'n it up as a deer cartridge.  I'm not really happy with it, but, whatever floats your boat!!!
In my case this is the only rifle I have to hunt deer with this year. If you were me would you pass up deer season or would you hunt with the 243? I have to agree that the 243 is not the ideal Deer round but this is what I have. Dale
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Re: .243 for deer
« Reply #5 on: November 21, 2007, 03:44:05 PM »
I'll be trying one this year myself, I hope I have a good story to tell.
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Re: .243 for deer
« Reply #6 on: November 21, 2007, 04:43:45 PM »
I've shot 18 whitetails with my 243 using both 100gr Federal premium sierra Game kings SBT and a couple with 85gr Gameking HPBT.   The 100 gr load has never failed to exit on whitetails from 70-280 yards and only have to shoot one twice, my fault for a poor first hit.    Any decent bullet will do just fine for any whitetail that walks the earth.  I've also heard of a few moose being shot with 100gr partitions.  Wouldn't be my first choice for moose but I bet it would work with good placement.

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Re: .243 for deer
« Reply #7 on: November 21, 2007, 11:54:09 PM »
I don't understand why people keep questioning the effectiveness of a .243 on deer size game.

With PROPER PLACEMENT a .243 will flatten a deer plain and simple.
Anyone who thinks it won't is just plain wrong.


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Re: .243 for deer
« Reply #8 on: November 22, 2007, 01:29:34 AM »
I've posted many times before that I've killed over 50 deer with the .243.......out of all the deer I've shot, all have been bang flops except 2, and the farthest either of them ran was 80 yards.

I have great confidence in using the .243 for deer.

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Re: .243 for deer
« Reply #9 on: November 22, 2007, 02:53:41 AM »
Thanks for the replies so far.  Too much success to ignore.  You are boosting my confidence.  I love the low recoil and the ability to "follow" the shot in the scope,  just as I can with my .17hmr maybe good things do come in small packages!

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Re: .243 for deer
« Reply #10 on: November 22, 2007, 04:01:16 AM »
My son and I both have a .243. We load 100gr Rem. Core-Lokts for our deer hunting ammo. We have taken several deer with the .243 and have never had a failure. Good luck and good hunting. Dave
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Re: .243 for deer
« Reply #11 on: November 22, 2007, 04:24:03 AM »
In my case this is the only rifle I have to hunt deer with this year. If you were me would you pass up deer season or would you hunt with the 243? I have to agree that the 243 is not the ideal Deer round but this is what I have. Dale

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Re: .243 for deer
« Reply #12 on: November 22, 2007, 04:29:49 AM »
I don't understand why people keep questioning the effectiveness of a .243 on deer size game.

With PROPER PLACEMENT a .243 will flatten a deer plain and simple.
Anyone who thinks it won't is just plain wrong.


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So will a .22LR.

There is a big difference in deer sizes.  I've seen enough .243 Win failures on cow elk that I wouldn't choose a .243 Win for big mulies unless it was all that was available, and then I would use a good bullet (Partition or better).
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Re: .243 for deer
« Reply #13 on: November 22, 2007, 07:17:28 AM »
I don't understand why people keep questioning the effectiveness of a .243 on deer size game.

With PROPER PLACEMENT a .243 will flatten a deer plain and simple.
Anyone who thinks it won't is just plain wrong.


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So will a .22LR.

There is a big difference in deer sizes.  I've seen enough .243 Win failures on cow elk that I wouldn't choose a .243 Win for big mulies unless it was all that was available, and then I would use a good bullet (Partition or better).





What exactly do you mean by "failures"??

Are you saying that a cow elk was shot in the vitals with a .243 and did not die??
I seriously doubt that as I have seen bull moose taken with a shot in the vitals from a .243 while hunting in Quebec.

And no, I am not recommending hunting moose with a .243 so don't think that. I have a Ruger bolt action chambered in .35 Whelen for moose and such.

I stand by what I said, a .243 with a WELL PLACED shot will flatten any deer. (even moose)
All the naysayers and doubters aside, the facts are the facts.


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Re: .243 for deer
« Reply #14 on: November 22, 2007, 08:06:46 AM »
In my case this is the only rifle I have to hunt deer with this year. If you were me would you pass up deer season or would you hunt with the 243? I have to agree that the 243 is not the ideal Deer round but this is what I have. Dale

I'd choose a good bullet (Partition or better) and go  hunting.

Yep!!!   I would add one other point. I would keep the shots under 300 yards so that you have good terminal performance.
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Re: .243 for deer
« Reply #15 on: November 22, 2007, 09:16:44 AM »
Oh yeah, the .243 is nothing short of lightning in a bottle. And you hear all about the spectacular kills.  But you never hear about the spectacular failures.  And there are plenty of those.  I had one that ruined a Colorado hunt for me.  I spent all or the better part of every day for a week looking for a trophy mulie that I had hit with a .243. --I won't give you the long story-- and wouldn't shoot at a couple of other good heads I saw.  Only when a buddy loaned me his '06 did I collect a 3x3 to take home.  
You notice a lot of the .243 champions add the disclaimer "you must put a proper bullet in a proper place" to cover their asses.  That way, if you have a miserable failure, they can say "well, you must not have put a proper bullet in a proper place. It's really your fault". With that sort of limitation, I daresay the .243 could be used on Grizzly bears. On your next hunt with Phil Shoemaker tell him you plan on using a .243 'cause it's where you put the bullet that counts and see what he says.
The fact is, place and circumstances play a part in hunting. Deer don't always give you a Christmas card pose to shoot at.  With plenty of time to compose yourself and aim.  But opportunities may be awkward and fleeting.  A raking shot along ribs that could deflect or fragment a small, hyper velocity bullet. A shot that may ultimately kill but it will be a painful lingering death.
Why not choose a weapon that can send a ball with sufficient size and weight to do the job regardless of the challenges?

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Re: .243 for deer
« Reply #16 on: November 22, 2007, 10:06:23 AM »
AHHH the failures and short comings also the lightning struck dead deer. All calibers can fail and they all have killed like Lightning. Depends on who you listen to at the time of their tale! Will a .243 harvest a deer cleanly out to 300 yds.? Yes it will, use good bullets put the bullet in lungs and or heart. Yes it will fail, and that part is usually the fault of the shooter. If you place your bullet poorly doesn't matter what caliber you use deer may and will get away if you ain't top notch tracker. I use a Mohawk 600 in a 243 i use good 100 gr. bullets and take shots i know will hit the chest for a kill. I don't shoot though brush and i don't shoot running deer. I just wait for another one that offers a clean shot.
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Re: .243 for deer
« Reply #17 on: November 22, 2007, 12:05:14 PM »
A poor shot is a poor shot......can't blame the equipment for that.......

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Re: .243 for deer
« Reply #18 on: November 22, 2007, 12:18:56 PM »
Better to put a well-aimed confident shot where it belongs than gut shoot or cut a leg because you are flinching due to recoil.I like 100grain core lokts.If you could see what a groundhog that's been centered looks like then you wouldn't doubt effectiveness on a well placed shot.One of the biggest poachers in Texas history used a .243.

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Re: .243 for deer
« Reply #19 on: November 22, 2007, 01:23:51 PM »
I don't understand the doubt,  there are thousands of deer poached every year with a 22 lr.  The 243 is a powerhouse compared to a 22 lr.  People use to fatten hogs and then shoot them with a 22 short because they were cheap and didn't want to waste ammo.  Whitetails have an amazing will to live and can run off with poor shots from any weapon.

P.S.  I have never heard of a 243 failing because the deer was hit where it was supposed to be.

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Re: .243 for deer
« Reply #20 on: November 22, 2007, 01:55:37 PM »
I don't understand the doubt,  there are thousands of deer poached every year with a 22 lr.  The 243 is a powerhouse compared to a 22 lr.  People use to fatten hogs and then shoot them with a 22 short because they were cheap and didn't want to waste ammo.  Whitetails have an amazing will to live and can run off with poor shots from any weapon.

P.S.  I have never heard of a 243 failing because the deer was hit where it was supposed to be.
Very good point. Dale
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Re: .243 for deer
« Reply #21 on: November 22, 2007, 03:35:51 PM »
Well..My little (46 yr old) brother called tonight....Seems he hit a doe and lost it with his .270...Guess he needs a larger caliber....

As I've stated before, I've killed over 150 with my .243...I just don't seem to have any problem killing deer with the round...85  or so were killed with the 100gr CoreLokts. but I have used about 10 other factory rounds...I took off the first week of November and went back home to hunt a week, we  ended up with 18 total deer, 17 of these were killed with 4 different .243s...As far as dropping a deer at the shot, a hit in the shoulder blade will do it every time...If the terrain permits tracking after the shot, most of the time deer go 25-60 yards or so...I've not been able to tell a difference between the deer I hit with my .243 or my brother's .270 (yes I have killed deer with other rounds).

I don't see how you guys eat those tough deer that run around with .243 slugs in them...What's the secret?? Do you have to parboil them first??

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Re: .243 for deer
« Reply #22 on: November 23, 2007, 04:00:26 AM »
ROFLMAO. Instead of saying, "a proper bullet in a proper place", why don't you say "the .243 is best reserved for us god like people that live in a perfect world where the deer always pose broadside and the sun is at our back and the wind doesn't blow"................

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Re: .243 for deer
« Reply #23 on: November 23, 2007, 04:39:17 AM »
HI All,

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Just jumping back into this thread.  Dale...use what you like.....Spanky...you too.  I think the 243 is marginal and that's my opinion.  Shot placement is critical and the bullet is as well in such a small caliber. I just think that new hunters would be better off with a larger caliber which is more forgiving.  I know, I know, the 243 is great for young shooters and others who can't handle recoil, as is the 308 or 270, etc.  Actually, I am a terrible shot.  Sometimes I need more than one shot to anchor game, I'll have to work on this.
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Re: .243 for deer
« Reply #24 on: November 23, 2007, 04:55:11 AM »
I just don't get thought process of bigger calibers for "marginal hits" I'm not sold that a .30.06 though the guts or liver is going to die any quicker.  If I'm hearing that quartering to or away shots are too much for the .243 then we are talking about penetration.  which doesn't seem to be the problem.  Is it really easier to get a gut shot deer with a .30.06 than the .243?  I admit to not having this experience  butt...

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« Reply #25 on: November 23, 2007, 06:08:30 AM »
I have yet to see the deer that a 100 gr. good bullet from a 243 won't penetrate the chest from any angle out to 300 yds. I guess there be some people who think a popcorn fart has more power than a 243. I took the biggest Buck of my life with mine, 278 lbs before he was field dressed.
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Re: .243 for deer
« Reply #26 on: November 23, 2007, 08:39:53 AM »
ROFLMAO. Instead of saying, "a proper bullet in a proper place", why don't you say "the .243 is best reserved for us god like people that live in a perfect world where the deer always pose broadside and the sun is at our back and the wind doesn't blow"................

We don't say it because it isn't true........
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Re: .243 for deer
« Reply #27 on: November 24, 2007, 02:38:10 AM »
now  now!  If you look at my original post I stated that those that don't have experience with this caliber are the ones that doubt it. If I was too bull headed to look at real life experiences of those with more than me then I would still think that 3 and 4 blade broadheads can't penetrate deer and .30.30 bullets just bounce off our deer today.  repeatedly I read writers say the .30.30 is legit 200 yard gun with todays bullets but if memory serves me right I believe the .243 has more energy.  Why would someone say it's a great caliber for kids and women but not us manly men?  I like to try to think things out in a logical progression but I'm just not seeing it from those that have negative opinions on this caliber (but I do respect your opion, thats why I asked) I think I'm going to let my son have his .243 back and get one for myself - after all I think it's a compliment to be called God like ( note the capital letter - there is only one God)

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« Reply #28 on: November 24, 2007, 06:14:37 AM »
Needless to say, get what floats your boat but I think it's a terrible mistake to start a kid out with a .243 or a .410. And please, I don't want to hear all the BS exceptions of one from the god-like folks that live in a perfect world..... so far.

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« Reply #29 on: November 24, 2007, 07:16:02 AM »
I have marginal experience with this particular caliber. I shot a Win. Mod.70 in 243 from the time I was 6 up until I was around 24 or so. I took my limit of deer through the years with little or no problems. I did loose one or two due to what some folks refer to as "PROPER BULLETS" meaning heavier jacketed bullets for deeper penetration. These were 100gr bullets which simply penciled through several deer which were hit in very vital areas. All but a couple were retreived after very long and tiring searches. The others well, either they got over it or ran to some other county as no signs or them was ever seen again.

The bullets I had the best luck with were 95 - 100gr Noslers which were the solid base or ballistic tips. Either I found would drop any deer I shot easily out to ranges of 300yds. The only reason I still don't use that rifle is it is worth more to me as a keep sake from my now passed father than a hunting rifle. I could easily pull it out and run a few foulers down trhe now oiled pipe and it would still drop any deer I chose to aim it at. As far as raking shots these are for shooters not hunters. If you put one of the high velocity bullets from a 243 through the lungs and or heart of any deer it will hit the ground. My bud shot one last weekend through both shoulders point on at around 150 yds and it simply sat down on it's haunches and that was that. There is generally much less meat damage from this round as well. If you honestly think that you have to have more gun, then you seriously need more shooting practice or you need to keep your opinion to yourself as you obviously have no clue to the actual preformance of this round.

I see so much of this sort of talk on a lot of sites, just like the retoric that it is unethical to shoot past 100, 200, or 300yds, that you can always get closer. Well truth is you can't always get closer, and if you can shoot the weapon, and you have the needed practice, then you can shoot deer or other bigger critters with a whole host of calibers to ranges which most consider too far. Truth is far more animals are lost from shots under 200yds than from shots over simply due to poor shot placement. Same with the smaller calibers, if you don't use what "I" recommend you not an ethical hunter or your stupid since you obviously don't agree with me.  Also the old verse that "well our dept of wildlife says that a 24 caliber is too small must mean something", it does, it means that folks don't shoot as much as they should, or they shoot way beyond their abilities, not that the specific caliber isn't good enough to take a game animal. Yes there are extreems to it all but for an average hunter, a less recoiling rifle that they are not afraid to shoot will 95% of the time be much better than some bigger caliber that they squint their eyes and yank the trigger on. As for a gut shot deer, well that argument hold as much water as the other items mentioned, as a lot of times, the hydrostatic shock of a lighter bullet traveling faster does do more damage than a heavier bullet that penetrates more. The problem is when folks don't leave the animal be for more than 5 minutes after the shot, it grabs an adrelin rush and can cover a ton of ground in little or no time. In just about ever case I have shot a deer that ran out of my line of sight, I have found them laying only a short distance from the area. Reason is I leave them be for up to an hour after the shot if the weather is conducive to this. IF they fall within sight I will still give them up to half an hour before approaching. I learned this from the couple of deer which I did not find which I did shoot with "prpoer bullets" in my younger days of hunting. They hit the dirt, layed there until we approached, and within the time it took to shoulder the arm they were long gone. Even one I intentionally shot in the head tried to get up and get away after 20 minutes of laying on the ground before being pulled out into the edge of a pasture, and this was using a bigger caliber with a heavier bullet, and for the most part removing everything from the ears out.