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Factory Ammo Prices
« on: November 23, 2007, 03:35:38 PM »
I know this is off topic for this forum but...

I have been warned that if I think Factory Ammo prices are high now... then I probably won't like what I see in another month.

There is supposed to be an almost 40% increase in prices by the end of the year, and up from there for next year.  The price of Brass, Copper and Lead is way up.  When was the last time, if ever, that you heard of $2 a pound for Lead?

I went out to stock up on some .35 Remington ammo and was shocked to see an average price of $22 a box ($1.10 per shot for CoreLokt).  Hornady Lever Evolution is cheaper than .35 Rem CoreLokt ammo by over $3.  Not only that but I did some checking on other calibers and the news is currently as bad for them too.

And if you shoot some of the off beat calibers or like the Premium Ammo, take your credit card with you because you may not have enough cash in your pocket to get a box of what you need.   A box of ammo could cost you more than a tank of gas.  More, if you like those Super-Dooper Magnums.

The store I ended up buying from today had a 15% discount on ammo, and Remington is offering a $5 per box rebate (up to $10) for CoreLokt ammo.  So I was able to get the price down to $13.69 per box, with alot of leg work.



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Re: Factory Ammo Prices
« Reply #1 on: November 23, 2007, 05:35:25 PM »
Hunting season in Pennsylvania is October through January in Pennsylvania

Grice Gun Shop in Clearfield Pa has some of the lowest prices that I have seen in a long time for standard caliber rifles.

If you are in dire need of ammo, give them a call, they will drop ship to your front door.

www.gricegunshop.com

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Re: Factory Ammo Prices
« Reply #2 on: November 23, 2007, 05:44:33 PM »
If you want to shoot a lot, I suggest you either shop smart or start reloading.  ;) Grafs' shipping is $3.95 no matter how much you order. Midsouth has decent shipping charges and their ammo is very reasonably priced.

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Re: Factory Ammo Prices
« Reply #3 on: November 23, 2007, 10:13:19 PM »
Thanks guys, but I was already aware of discount prices at some places, and how reloading can be cost effective.  A $20 Hazmat fee and a Fuel Surcharge for loaded ammo can add up though.  Unless you buy bulk, it doesn't usually work out.

What I was getting at though is even reloading components will eventually face increases.  Years ago you could probably reload a box of ammo for an average price of $3, if you didn't buy new brass.   

New factory ammo has passed $1 a shot for some common calibers, while components like new brass, bullets and powders have steadily climbed.  Primers are approaching 'hard to get' which means demand will take a toll on price.

I think that in the not too distant future factory ammo soon could be $40 to $50 a box for some of the common calibers and reloading components may bring the cost of shooting down 50% or so, just like it always has.

   
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Re: Factory Ammo Prices
« Reply #4 on: November 24, 2007, 02:16:06 AM »
I deal with Midway and I can see the increases But look at the price Gas and everything else. It getting bad in everything  Not just bullets. So if you see a deal buy it because if you don't someone else will.

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Re: Factory Ammo Prices
« Reply #5 on: November 24, 2007, 02:39:20 AM »
I have spent a lot of money lately on stocking up. Brass, Powder, Bullets, Bullet Moulds, etc. Got a little extra $ and decided that the prices sure ain't going down, and I better get stuff while I can.

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Re: Factory Ammo Prices
« Reply #6 on: November 24, 2007, 04:59:44 AM »
I have spent a lot of money lately on stocking up. Brass, Powder, Bullets, Bullet Moulds, etc. Got a little extra $ and decided that the prices sure ain't going down, and I better get stuff while I can.
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  <-----<<This is why I brought it up.

Using .35 Remington as an example, prices in my area have been either $20.99, $21.99 or $22.00.  Only Hornady Lever Evolution was cheaper at either $18.49 or $18.99.

Searching the internet for .35 Rem, I found it at $23.99, $26.95, and $28.49.  The best price I found was a case price of $231.25, which means an average price of $23.13.  Add in a Hazmat Fee and probably a Fuel Surcharge and the average price will go up a Dollar or Two per box.

I searched Cabela's website and they are only a couple of cents difference than what I find without driving that far.  Wlamarts doesn't offer .35 rem on the website.  As a matter of fact, Walmarts doesn't offer much ammo for the shooter anymore.
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Re: Factory Ammo Prices
« Reply #7 on: November 24, 2007, 05:06:59 AM »
The large chain gun/outdoor store that I work for just repriced federal 2 weeks ago....

I'm hearing of another price increase in January.
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Re: Factory Ammo Prices
« Reply #8 on: November 24, 2007, 05:41:15 AM »
A $20 Hazmat fee and a Fuel Surcharge for loaded ammo can add up though.  Unless you buy bulk, it doesn't usually work out.

There's no hazmat fee on loaded ammo, just powder and primers. ;)

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Re: Factory Ammo Prices
« Reply #9 on: November 24, 2007, 06:23:46 AM »
The large chain gun/outdoor store that I work for just repriced federal 2 weeks ago....

I'm hearing of another price increase in January.

What outdoor Chain is it? Thanks for the head up.
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Re: Factory Ammo Prices
« Reply #10 on: November 26, 2007, 11:12:10 AM »
I spent about an hour on saturday afternoon calling the local gunshops about .35 Rem ammo in the hopes of finding some that weren't marked up while they were sitting on the shelf, which it seems is a common practice around here.  Out of about 7 places that I called, about half were sold out only one was under the average price of $22.

One guy I called still had some at under $17 a box, and another guy I called quoted me $30 a box, so there is still a broad high/low difference in price.  I suppose it depends on when they ordered last. 

I can also report that the guy who had them at under $17 a box looked at me real funny when he checked the price he will have to pay for his next order from his supplier.  ( I am guessing that I bought them way under what his next bill will be)   And the guy who had them at $30 a box and I couldn't come to terms.  But we did have a nice 10 minute conversation about future ammo and component prices and availability.

Looking at prices on the shelf for all calibers shows a substantial price increase, with more likely to come.  Depending on what you shoot, you could be looking at $2.00 to $2.50 a pop or more.  I think I am fortunate to find those .35's for under $1 a shot.  If you can afford a 10 box case of your favorite caliber, that might be the way to go at this point.   Last year at this time I bought a 10 box case of .308 150gr, which now seems to be paying off.

Rumors about higher Ammo prices began circulating about 5 years ago, which is why I started preparing for this almost 3 years ago.  I was up on everything I own except .35 Rem.   

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Re: Factory Ammo Prices
« Reply #11 on: November 27, 2007, 01:52:54 AM »
Hmmmm,

     Sure the prices of Lead, Copper and Brass have gone up sharply but here in the UK I think that some of our importers have a lot to answer for. For instance about a year ago I wanted some factory ammunition to try in a 6mm Remington chambered rifle, now 6mm Rem is not that common here so I knew the local shop would not likely have any in stock so I phoned the importers of Remington rifles and ammunition, they also import other brands like S&B well I got quoted retail price od £132 ($264 US) for five boxes (100 rds) of 100 rn Core Lockt ammo  :o so I tried the importer of Federal ammo they didn't have any????????????

    Common chamberings like .243 are a bit cheaper but not by much Remington Core Lockt 100 grn cost me around £17 ($34US) a box recently. I asked the gunshop about Remington ammunition for the 6mm Rem and he said he could do 5 boxes for around £80-£90. Now that quite some difference from the retail price recommended by the importers  >:( just another rip off.

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Re: Factory Ammo Prices
« Reply #12 on: November 27, 2007, 10:01:20 AM »
Kind of makes me wonder if the American people would be in favor of a Global Economy if they thought it meant they should pay higher prices for everything just because the Europeans do.
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Re: Factory Ammo Prices
« Reply #13 on: November 28, 2007, 11:53:49 AM »
The large chain gun/outdoor store that I work for just repriced federal 2 weeks ago....

I'm hearing of another price increase in January.

What outdoor Chain is it? Thanks for the head up.

I'd rather not say.....not because they arn't a good company, as they are.....but rather, because what I post here are my own views and opinions and should not reflect on them.

Does that make sense?
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Re: Factory Ammo Prices
« Reply #14 on: November 28, 2007, 02:00:58 PM »
Yeah makes sense. Keep us posted on the ammo prices though.  ;D
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Re: Factory Ammo Prices
« Reply #15 on: November 28, 2007, 10:01:05 PM »
victorcharlie,

Are you hearing the same thing I am?     Up 30% by the end of this year and up from there for next year? 

How 'bout what reloading component prices are supposed to do?  I didn't really get into that, but I figure if ammo prices go up, component prices shouldn't be far behind percentage wise.

Even though I have been hearing about this price move for a few years now, there is nothing like being told on the phone that a box of ammo is $30 for what I consider is a common caliber.
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Re: Factory Ammo Prices
« Reply #16 on: November 29, 2007, 05:45:16 AM »
Tom Gresham, on his excellent Guntalk radio show, recently quoted Remington as estimating a 12% increase from 2007 to 2008.
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Re: Factory Ammo Prices
« Reply #17 on: November 29, 2007, 06:02:19 AM »
I have the 2004 Midsouth Shooters Supply catalog here,   Sure wish I could use those prices when buying components. 

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Re: Factory Ammo Prices
« Reply #18 on: November 29, 2007, 12:01:22 PM »
Ammo prices have been moving up for some time now.  Some ammo has moved about 40% already....i.e Remington golden bullets box of 550 22lr was priced at $10.99 July of 2006........currently it's $14.99....up just under 40% in the past 18 months.

Remington, Federal, and Winchester ammo and components are in all likely-hood going up another 12% after the first of the year.

Hopefully one day it'll move back down again but in all honesty IMO gun control will come via price increases due to increased regulation, as well as current and future market forces......

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Re: Factory Ammo Prices
« Reply #19 on: November 29, 2007, 12:49:35 PM »
Hopefully one day it'll move back down again but in all honesty IMO gun control will come via price increases due to increased regulation, as well as current and future market forces......

I doubt that prices will fall.  Prices haven't fallen in the past and I don't think they will fall in the future.

As far as the Gun COntrol comment... 

I heard many years ago that the Socialist Movement had plans to attack three seperate targets.  One is Cigarettes, then Guns, then Alcohol.  Rumor had it that they planned to tax them out of existence, so your description of gun control via increased regulation is just about on target, considering what is happening to tobacco, and what could happen to the shooting sports and your favorite beer. 

Back then I heard that a box of shells could easily cost $50, with all of the proposed taxes.   

Lastly, I'd like to thank Zach for putting up with such an off topic thread.   I am done with this one.

At this point, I think everyone gets the idea as to what to do. 
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