Just got back from 8 days in Alabama last night. Our lease had a biologist check the herd out, and he recommended taking out a bunch of does. I broke in a couple of handi's while I was there. I took the 30-30, and Shorty. Shorty is my 45-70 with the barrel cut off to 17 inches, sporting a Redfield 4X32 scope. It is a box blind special. One deer at 125 yds over a food plot, 30-30 handi. Bang-flop. One small doe at 70 yds over a food plot, 45-70. Thirty yd. tracking job. Two does about 100 yds. out, in a clear cut, 45-70. Five minutes apart, 2 bang-flops. Now I start working on getting one with a decent rack, I'm getting tired of skinning does. I've got 7 so far this year, 6 with handi rifles, 1 with a muzzle loader. I got the biggest one I ever got in SC, using a 35 Whelen handi. He was an 8 pt, 160 lbs. I get tickled watching these guys who think that buying a $900 rifle and a $500 makes up for learning how to hunt, and especially how to shoot. Handi rifles rule!