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Offline jcn59

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Doe shooting
« on: November 28, 2007, 04:35:19 PM »
Does anyone remember in the early 1990s when the DNR deer managers told us to shoot more does because their computer model said doe shooting would increase the numbers of deer?   And now they're saying that we should shoot more does to reduce deer numbers?  Which is it?

I know one must be right because I've never had a bad season since I started deer hunting around 1964.
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Re: Doe shooting
« Reply #1 on: November 29, 2007, 02:56:04 AM »
I noticed toward the end of the season there sure was alot of fawns bunched up! Just wandering around missing mom! Big enough to cook the complete deer in a roaster! We are in a earn a buck unit! Because of CWD control! after muzzle loader season ! That doe hunt will be a fawn hunt & that's sad because that will hurt the nubin bucks and the fawn crop next year!
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Re: Doe shooting
« Reply #2 on: November 29, 2007, 08:11:07 AM »
I hunted near Tomah and never saw a deer older than a 1 1/2.  almost all fawns, even on the interstate coming home Monday night.
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Re: Doe shooting
« Reply #3 on: November 29, 2007, 08:45:15 AM »
If we keep shooting all the does the DNR wants us to, there won't be a huntable population left on public land.  I think next year when I buy my license, I'll just tear off the doe tags and give them back to the DNR. 

This is not rocket science.  No matter how many DEER there are on private land, the numbers on public land do not warrant unlimited doe killing.  (Or wolves).

What keeps animals on private land, you might ask?  Could it be unlimited food?  Without the food, fences wouldn't be much good.  I'm not so against what people do on their own land, but the DNR has to realize that the private land deer need to be managed differently than those on public land.  If there's too many deer in Buffalo county, the answer is not unlimited doe tags in Ashland county.

I guess this is all we can expect of Doyle's appointees.  The current DNR secretary doesn't even hunt.
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Re: Doe shooting
« Reply #4 on: November 30, 2007, 02:50:17 AM »
Its all about numbers of deer killed! I believe it is also about the slowing of cwd heading northward! It has nothing to do with what the hunters want! Hunters want #1 to see deer on public and private land or the hunter will quit hunting! Private land can set rules which the DNR would like to control ! Public land is a killing field !I remember in the early 80s when my brothers started hunting all they could shoot was bucks! With the option of a (DOE) party tag  (a # of hunting buddies assigned one doe tag)! I wish they would label the complete state CWD and go back to the old way of hunting! Deer over population in Wisconsin is a early  1990s thing not today! Those days are done! I had 3 days hunting this year not even seeing deer! :o
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Re: Doe shooting
« Reply #5 on: November 30, 2007, 01:46:37 PM »
I would agree that numbers are steadily going down, at least around Eau Claire where I hunt. 

jcn you raise a good question that I'd like to have a DNR person/biologist/etc explain too.  Won't happen though
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Re: Doe shooting
« Reply #6 on: November 30, 2007, 03:31:43 PM »
There have been some very good points made here. The DNR should redraw the management unit boundaries separating to some extent the private from the public lands.

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Re: Doe shooting
« Reply #7 on: November 30, 2007, 07:34:17 PM »


The DNR says we registered over 5000 deer in Sawyer county during  the 2007  9 day gun deer season.   In their dreams, maybe.

The 2000 census showed a population of 16, 196 or about 13 people per square mile in Sawyer county.  If every inch of Sawyer county was deer habitat, the DNR figures indicate we killed about 4 deer per square mile in the 9 day gun season.  Then add in their figures for archery deer, muzzle loading deer and doe season deer.  Add in car kills.

It seems to me that we are killing about 1.5 deer in Sawyer county for every one deer that exists.  Maybe that explains why we hear few shots, see fewer deer every year, yet somehow we kill a half million deer a year in Wisconsin.

Perhaps rather than audit the SAK formula, we should provide arithmetic lessons to the DNR bureaucrats in Madison.  Or maybe we should each take a stupid pill so we could believe the DNRs kill figures.

I noticed that the orange deer registration form now has a place to indicate if the deer was killed on public or private land.  That will be interesting to see when tallied up.  By the way, have you seen the free DNR publication titled [/u] 2006 Wisconsin Big Game Hunting summary?   Very informative.
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