I was wrong about my recent Ballistic Tip

[rickt300]

Doesniper, was there any particular reason you shot the doe in the shoulder. I mean if you were meat hunting and she was just standing there at close range why would you put a fast expander into the shoulder when you could have hit her in the ribs? I intend to use the 95 grain BT very soon, plans are to get to the lease tomorrow just before dark. I have three tags left but one is only good in a different county. Since my doe tags are for meat gathering purposes there will be no directly into the shoulder hits. Probable range will be inside of 80 yards.

[Doesniper]

She was laughing at me for using a .243, so I felt I should inflict some degree of pain and suffering. And I feel the left side of a deer eat better.
It was getting to be low light and I didn't want to have to track her in the thick brush. I wanted to break her down right where she stood.

[rickt300]

Then it stands to reason you could have hit her in the neck in front of the shoulder. Was she standing dead broadside or angling toward you? Seems the shock of he bullet hitting her had some effect, causing her to stand still. At any rate I will have to see this for myself but I just don't shoot shoulders as there is no reason to, especially with a fast expanding bullet. If I were to make a habit of shooting bone other than the spine I probably would use tougher bullets. I have seen deer run a ways hit in the shoulder so hitting a deer there is no guarantee of "breaking it down".

[Doesniper]

I guess the deer I have shot in the shoulder didn't read your post. I have yet to see one get up when the bullet does it's job. I have seen deer get up after being shot in the neck. If you miss the spine you will have to track it. I've also hit deer in the spine and found that they have drug themselves over 60 - 70 yrds. A high shoulder shot will break them down. If I'm shooting a deer under better conditions, I do go for the lungs. It all comes down to the bullet not performing as it should have. I am now and forever a Barnes user.
I shot an elk this year quartering towards me. I hit her on the left front and found the entire bullet in the right rear ham, just under the skin. She took two steps and fell dead. Thats several feet of penetration and little meat damage. You'll never hear of a BT doing as well. For big game I use a big game bullet. No regrets

[NONYA]

"then it stands to reason..." why dont you just come right out and tell us you think we are full of s^%7 instead of playing your games?Once again you are going to explain how the shooter made a mistake magically causing the bullet to fail.These are the belittling BS defenses that have turned a few a simple field reports into insults.ANY DECENT HUNTING BULLET SHOULD PENETRATE THE SHOULDER BLADE OF A DOE/FAWN DEER/ANTELOPE,if you dont think so you need to try some other bullets and find out what you are missing.I believe a vast lack of experience with other bullets has led a few to believe that these failures are acceptable and you should work around the limitations of a less than reliable bullet sold as a top shelf hunting bullet,whatever the reason many of you have very poor expectations from a bullet sold at a premium price.After years of using the Nosler partition and having it never let me down i made the mistake of believing Noslers hype of a new improved more accurate hunting bullet that performs like the partition.Accurate?YES..RELIABLE?NOT EVEN CLOSE.I have tested the BTS,Accubonds and "combined tech" on game and they arnt even in the same category as the partition when it comes to penetration.BTW I sent that pic and story to Nosler,they chose not to respond,Im sure they are tired of hearing about it.

[Mac11700]

CT Ballistic Silvertip™

CT Ballistic Silvertip™ bullets are aerodynamically efficient due to their impact extruded, boat-tail design that is made expressly to maximize long-range bullet stability and accuracy. In varmint weights they are constructed for instantaneous, violent expansion. In hunting weights, jackets have been thickened and cores hardened to blend generous expansion with judicious penetration ideal for light and medium game at extended ranges.


http://www.nosler.com/index.php?p=3&bullet=10

Most premium bullets are compared to the partitions...they are some of the best around..So are the Fail Safes...I don't see the hype...you mention..since they aren't saying they are the best up close...and they are ideal for extended ranges..Could you please direct everyone where Nosler says this...

i made the mistake of believing Noslers hype of a new improved more accurate hunting bullet that performs like the partition

I would appreciate it...because if you can...I will personally call them and demand them to stop saying it...If you can't...I would appreciate you to stop saying things that isn't true...

[NONYA]

More quality cut and paste corporate info,dont remember EVER mentioning the silver tip so at least get your cut and paste correct when you use it....I have never reloaded a Nosler product labeled with the word silvertip.Im sure they have toned down their sales pitch since the reports of failures started pouring in,in their first gun rag adds they failed to mention that only the heaviest weights in each caliber are considered big game bullets,if you are that concerned about finding their old adds look in back issues of american hunter.Where in your cut and paste do they explain exactly what they mean by "extended ranges"?Most people consider 100 yards extended range and never even get a shot over that,guess they are out of luck huh?No amount of cut and paste "data' is going to cancel out the reports of these bullets failing,reports made by experienced hunters and handloaders,reports made by people with nothing to gain from them,regardless of the "smear" theory that has become so popular here on GBO.Take the time to read through the multiple threads in the archives here on GBO and compile all the similar posts by different hunters who have seen exactly the same thing in the field,bullet separation on impact.Im sure you can come up with a scenario for every single one of them to explain how it was the fault of the hunter,or pure falseness,but we know what happened and no amount of sarcasm and insinuations is going to change that.I could cut and paste all of these failure posts here but that would keep you entertained for weeks,so do it yourself,Im going hunting.

[rickt300]

Nonya there you go again. The fawn antelope in your picture wasn't actually hit in the shoulder. I have never seen a deer hit solidly in the neck get back up. If you know a deers anatomy it is the perfect shot. Also a hit in the shoulder blade generally includes damage to the spine though you better be willing to give up some backstrap on the hit. It seems Barnes must have a spy in the Nosler plant in charge of heat treat for the Ballistic Tips making them to soft to penetrate more than 1 1/2 inches so whoever buys them will get on the long and deep penetration bandwagon. So far I have eluded this crafty agent as my Ballistic Tips have fully penetrated  including bone mass. It's not that I don't believe there are instances of bullets not penetrating properly, I just haven't seen it yet. Remember don't believe anything you hear, and only half what you see.

[Mac11700]

More quality cut and paste corporate info,dont remember EVER mentioning the silver tip so at least get your cut and paste correct when you use it....I have never reloaded a Nosler product labeled with the word silvertip.Im sure they have toned down their sales pitch since the reports of failures started pouring in,in their first gun rag adds they failed to mention that only the heaviest weights in each caliber are considered big game bullets,if you are that concerned about finding their old adds look in back issues of american hunter.Where in your cut and paste do they explain exactly what they mean by "extended ranges"?Most people consider 100 yards extended range and never even get a shot over that,guess they are out of luck huh?No amount of cut and paste "data' is going to cancel out the reports of these bullets failing,reports made by experienced hunters and handloaders,reports made by people with nothing to gain from them,regardless of the "smear" theory that has become so popular here on GBO.Take the time to read through the multiple threads in the archives here on GBO and compile all the similar posts by different hunters who have seen exactly the same thing in the field,bullet separation on impact.Im sure you can come up with a scenario for every single one of them to explain how it was the fault of the hunter,or pure falseness,but we know what happened and no amount of sarcasm and insinuations is going to change that.I could cut and paste all of these failure posts here but that would keep you entertained for weeks,so do it yourself,Im going hunting.

Cole...

I have never reloaded a Nosler product labeled with the word silvertip

Really...? If this is the case...then you don't know your butt from a hole in the ground...All Combined Technology ballistic tips are marked as such...and always have been since they have been introduced...Here is what you have said about which bullet you used...How in the hell are people to believe anything you say about them...when you don't even know what the hell you shot it with...?

I switched to the COMBINED TECHNOLOGY,not to the BTs or ACUBONDS,these were advertised as a NEW DESIGN WITH A SUPERIOR BONDING PROCESS MAKING THEM THE PERFECT HUNTING BULLET,and I bought their

I havnt purchased a accubond or BT in over a year,these "combiined technology" bullets sre supposed to be an improved "hunting bullet".Im done with the whole Nosler line,their idea ofd a hunting bullet is a POS that only performs properly in certian weights and at certian distances and only at certian speeds.

Most people consider 100 yards extended range and never even get a shot over that,guess they are out of luck huh

This is about the most idiotic thing I have ever seen you post...PLEASE...give me a break...You are really reaching on this...and making yourself look stupid...

No amount of cut and paste "data' is going to cancel out the reports of these bullets failing,reports made by experienced hunters and handloaders,reports made by people with nothing to gain from them,regardless of the "smear" theory that has become so popular here on GBO

Understand something Cole...Your the one who has elected to smear the bullet manufacture...and it has been proven over and over...and there is no amount of crap you can post that is going to show any difference...You can't keep you story straight...You can't post accurate information about even which frigging bullet you have loaded or not...and you want every body to believe you...Well I am Sorry...It ain't going to happen in your case...There may be several actual cases of the bullet failing...but... since your the one who can not keep your own story believable, and since your the one who is making difficult for those who might actually have a real issue with the bullet to post about it...it looks like were are down on any one who is posting about them...That's not the case... How is this possible...simple...because YOUR the one...when ever anyone ask questions to someone who has said the bullets failed...goes off on a rant about them......Most of the folks here that have had bad luck with them..will tell ya they have moved on to another bullet...they won't use them because they didn't like the way they worked...Your the one who has gone on a rant about them to the point to where every time you post..your slamming the company...

No one is claiming these bullets are perfect...No one...No one is saying there haven't been legitimate failures with the bullets...We here have a right to question a person who says they have had a failure...We ask questions because we want to know...how something failed...What yardage it failed at..What weight was the bullet...and most importantly What type of bullet was it...This is something you apparently can not provide without changing your story...This is the reason many don't believe YOU and no amount of BS you post pointing the finger at any one else's problems is going to prove your point...

Mac

[NONYA]

Mine came in a all plastic box and were labeled Nosler/Winchester Combined tech and the word silvertip was nowhere on it,so you are the one with your head up your ass Mac and Im done trying to reason with you,its an impossible task.Here is a link to the bullets I bought.http://mcgcreek.com/nowicote7mm11.html the word silvertip was nowhere on the box.I will continue to stand by my story and share it whenever the subject comes up(quite often these days),you can continue your smear campaign against anyone who reports these failures,I dont think anyone reads anything more than the first line of your posts anymore,I know I dont.Its obvious that if the rule enforcers did many of them would have been deleted for personal attacks.I am done with this thread and i wont be reading any more of your BS so post it for yourself, no amount of slander from ANYONE here is going to pressure me into changing any part of my story,it is written in my thread and if you are too ignorant to read it for yourself and understand the details then I cant help you.I could honestly care less if you now or ever do believe anything I ever say,I have determined from your attitude and posts that you are not the kind of person i would ever have any kind of friendship with in real life so Ill be damned if I give one more second of my time wondering what your problem is,I have ducks to clean,have fun.

[Mac11700]

Cole:

The only way you going to win this argument is to get it locked like you have before...You want to stand back and point fingers at people for doing wrong...when you are the one doing wrong...even going as far as trying to bait someone into cursing you  out right..so you can come back and say it is a personal attack...

"then it stands to reason..." why dont you just come right out and tell us you think we are full of s^%7 instead of playing your games

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Your the person who has posted this BS and when your caught by your own words ...you start crying foul...Well tuff crap-ola buddy...I call them as I see them... What your shoveling isn't the truth...it is pure BS...The only smear campaign is being orchestrated by you against Nosler...and at any one else who questions what you have to say...and you have been told by the management here to cease doing it...Sooner or later the folks will get tired of your BS...and actually start discussing these instances in a worthwhile manner...but as long as you are allowed to post your crap every time some one questions any one claiming a bullet failure with them...that isn't going to happen...You want folks to take every thing you have said on faith...and never question your word...That's a joke...the only thing I take on faith is the word of my Lord...and you ain't him...Speaking of heads and where they are at...read the product description moron...

Product Description
50 count 7mm (.284in 7.21mm) 150gr Nosler - Winchester Combined Technology Ballistic Silvertip bullets for reloading. Moly Coated. Sectional density: .266 Ballistic coefficient: .493

...Oh...wait...they must of changed their add in the short time since you posted the link...

Mac

[Graybeard]

Cole you clearly are having some reading comprehension issues and a memory loss problem as well. You've previously admitted the bullet used was a Ballistic Silver Tip aka Ballistic Tip. Now you're changing again and saying it was not. Yet you offer up the ad from which you claim to have bought them and say "this is the bullets I was using" and the ad clearly states they are BALLISTIC TIPS.

You're making yourself look foolish the longer you persist in this and are losing all your credibility with the constant changes in the way the story goes. End it now. Further posts from you on this issue will be deleted to the trash can as you don't seem to have a firm grasp on reality as it relates to this issue any longer.

You also make claims of things that Nosler said about them that they've NEVER used in any promotion of the bullets you used. That son is false advertising on your part clear and simple. If you can't show us where it was so stated by Nosler about the Ballistic Silver Tip bullets you were using then do not say it again. Nosler never has.

We acknowledge that you do not like Nosler Ballistic Tip bullets and do not consider them to be a satisfactory big game bullet OK so you don't need to continue to tell us we've got it.

[Graybeard]

This thread was LOCKED by Graybeard. That means NO FURTHER POSTING ALLOWED PERIOD!