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Offline joker80p

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ammo question
« on: December 02, 2007, 05:43:25 PM »
Im a little stumped here and im unsure if its my own lack of knowledge.
I have a marlin model 60 that sat for a while never got cleaned and i took it out for this season with winchester expert hollowpoints and it would not feed them, then i tried cci blazers and they gave me a little trouble but i got it working. So i wasnt sure what was with the hollowpoints so i tried to load one by hand and fire one, but nothing, 5 tries later still nothing.  They are long rifle shells so am i missing something. Also i didnt noticed but my hunting partner said that there was no strike mark on the bullets but i can shoot the blazers all day with no problem.  Screwy gun?? or should i not be shooting these.  If it counts for anything tonight the gun got torn down cleaned and relubed so it should be alot smoother now

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Re: ammo question
« Reply #1 on: December 03, 2007, 12:31:59 AM »
The first suggestion would be to give it a good cleaning.  You've done that.  There are some other area's that can be easily troubleshooted if the cleaning does not work:

1. Check the extractor notches on each side of the chamber.  They get clogged with soot and debris and can prevent the bolt from going forward enough for the firing pin to make contact with the cartridge.  Often this area looks clean, but is not.  A set of dental picks works real well and can be found an the local hardware store or Harbor Freight.  Tooth pics can work in a pinch with some solvent, but are not the best.

2.  The firing pin needs to be able to move freely back and forth in its slot.  With the bolt removed, you should be able to rock it back and forth and see the pin slide to and fro. 

3.  The firing pin may be worn.  It can appear to be normal, but be worn down ever so slightly as to prevent a sufficient strike against the cartridge.  I experienced this on a Mod 60.  The bad pin was .010 shorter than the new one and caused inconsistent strikes.  A replacement from Brownells quickly remedied the problem.  Even with the bad pin it would still fire, but inconsistently. 

Once cleaned and inspected you may also have to experiment with a few types of ammo.  Some guns seem to work well with different brands. For me, just about anything Federal produces seems to work well across the board.

Usually with the Mod 60's all that is required is a good cleaning.  They are neat little guns and have been produced in such a variety of styles that it can become addicting to own them.      ;)

Good Luck and let us know how it works out.     :)

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Re: ammo question
« Reply #2 on: December 03, 2007, 10:22:15 AM »
did a little test today after cleaning my gun lastnight.  Now i can get the hollowpoints to load no problem, actually i think it was me releasing the bolt a little too slow, however they still do not fire. i took two shots, one misfired hollowpoint and one cci blazer(which always shoot for me) Then i checked the bottom of the hollowpoint and could see in fact that the hammer had hit the case, but it seems to have not hit the cartrige as hard as with the blazer.  It also looks like less of the hammer actually contacted the case..

Time for a new firing pin????

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Re: ammo question
« Reply #3 on: December 03, 2007, 02:44:43 PM »
Yea, it could be. 

The tip of the Mod 60 firing pin should resemble a slotted screw driver.  There should be a bevel on one side and a flat nose.  If its rounded or there is little or no bevel, then chances are it needs to be replaced. 

After time and from dry firing, the tip wears down and sometimes the pin bends a little.  You could remove it and use a ball peen hammer to flatten it a bit.  I've done this to check the pin, but mine didn't work long before it bent again.

However, they are not that expensive and it wouldn't hurt to replace it.  While your at it, you may want order a recoil spring.  Sometimes they weaken over time.  Be careful that you don't bend the spring while removing or installing. 

While you have the rifle apart, you may want to do some preventive maintenance.  Check the inside of the receiver for burr's or carbon and dirt.  Scrape out the carbon and gunk, if any.  I've actually used some polishing compound to smooth up the inside where the bolt rides.  The bolt could be polished as well.  Also check around the chamber for burr's.  Dry firing can also cause damage to the sides of the chamber.

The older Mod 60's didn't have the bolt hold open feature, so many have been dry fired after the last shot.

Good Luck.     :)

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Re: ammo question
« Reply #4 on: December 03, 2007, 03:22:50 PM »
Thank you and yes very true.  I wish i had the last shot hold open but unfortunately i do not.  Also when i had the gun apart i did notice the recoil spring was already bent and was looking a little wavey.  As for the firing pin it looked pretty much totally flat to me, im guessing most of the characteristics of a new one have worn away

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Re: ammo question
« Reply #5 on: December 22, 2007, 12:01:20 PM »
Rim fire case thickness varies by brand. Have had similar results with a an old H&R handgun. The Velocitors shot whereas others didn't.
The firing pin, which was not replaceable had been flattened by dry firing. A new firing pin should do the trick.