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« on: June 22, 2003, 05:54:48 PM »
I just got done watching the movie Tombstone, and thought I'd put this post up here to see what you guys think.  

On two seperate occasions Val Kilmer's character Doc Holiday said to Johnny Ringo "I'm your huckleberry".  Both times it was very apparent that ole' Doc was itchin' for a fight.

My question to ya'll is this: EXACTLY what did Doc Holiday mean by that comment?  I've read a couple of different things, and wanted to get the opinion of some of the good folks here.

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« Reply #1 on: June 23, 2003, 02:39:21 PM »
Well, I can't remember all the exact details, but loosely it means"I'm your man". Some folks think the phrase refers to Huck Fin from "Tom Sawyer", meaning that he would be a problem or his adversary, but that book had yet to be written. The phrase refers to the huckleberry fruit.Someone over on the SASS Wire once had all the details as to the history of the phrase. I know this might not make a lot of sence, I can't remember all the details. The huckleberry is a small blueberry, I think, and was considered a real treat. So a huckleberry came to mean something special, and someone who was just right for the job was "A real huckleberry".Hence the term "I'm your huckleberry" means "I'm the one for the job" or "I'm your man".
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« Reply #2 on: June 23, 2003, 04:24:29 PM »
I'm Your Huckleberry!
by Lawson Stone

On and off I hear discussions in which people speculate on the exact origin and meaning is of the quaint idiom used by Doc Holliday in the movie "Tombstone." I've heard some wild suggestions, including "huckleberry" meaning "pall-bearer" suggesting "I'll bury you."

Still others think it has something to do with Mark Twain's character, Huckleberry Finn, and means "steadfast friend, pard." This is unlikely, since the book of that title was not written until 1883. Tom Sawyer was written in 1876, but nowhere there is the term "huckleberry" used to mean "steadfast friend" or the like.

Still others claim that a victor's crown or wreath of huckleberry is involved, making the statement "I'm your huckleberry" something like "I'll beat you!" But no such reference can be found in the historical materials supporting the use of this term in 19th century America. Additionally, "huckleberry" was native to North America so it's unlikely it was used in ancient Britain as a prize!

Solutions to such questions are actually very easy to find, since there are numerous dictionaries of the English language in its various periods, and there are dictionaries of English slang. These works simply cull from books, magazines, and newspapers of the period representative usages of the words to illustrate their meaning. I consulted several of these and found the expression to have a very interesting origin.

"Huckleberry" was commonly used in the 1800's in conjunction with "persimmon" as a small unit of measure. "I'm a huckleberry over your persimmon" meant "I'm just a bit better than you." As a result, "huckleberry" came to denote idiomatically two things. First, it denoted a small unit of measure, a "tad," as it were, and a person who was a huckleberry could be a small, unimportant person--usually expressed ironically in mock self-depreciation. The second and more common usage came to mean, in the words of the "Dictionary of American Slang: Second Supplemented Edition" (Crowell, 1975):

"A man; specif., the exact kind of man needed for a particular purpose. 1936: "Well, I'm your huckleberry, Mr. Haney." Tully, "Bruiser," 37. Since 1880, archaic.

The "Historical Dictionary of American Slang" which is a multivolume work, has about a third of a column of citations documenting this meaning all through the latter 19th century.

So "I'm your huckleberry" means "I'm just the man you're looking for!"

Now ain't that a daisy!

The "Daisy" comment is easier. In the late 19th century "daisy" was a common slang term for "the best in it's class." So for "daisy" just substitute "the best" and you'll have it. It was a short-lived idiom and doesn't seem to be popular much after 1890.
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« Reply #3 on: June 24, 2003, 09:57:33 AM »
Yup, told ya I was confused. If ya ever want ta know somthing about the old West, Capt. Cox is the man to see!  :-D
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« Reply #4 on: June 24, 2003, 01:22:50 PM »
Holiday,

I thought your "I'm the one for the job" or "I'm your man". was right on the money.  My post was only to reinforce yours (with a whole lot more words).  I think that Lawson Stone (author of my post) is a minister who is also into CAS.

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« Reply #5 on: June 24, 2003, 02:46:41 PM »
Thanks, Capt. I was pretty sure of the meaning, I just couldn't remember all the details of how it came about. I'm glad you posted as I was wanting to save that info for future referance. :D
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« Reply #6 on: June 26, 2003, 04:20:24 AM »
Thanks for the posts.  I found that article by Mr. Stone, and that sure seems to be about the most viable reasoning I've come across.

Thanks again.
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