Author Topic: Could a BB gun with a pellet kill a coyote? (Read 1944 times)

TrapperT · « **on:** June 23, 2003, 03:14:28 PM »

Could a BB gun with a pellet kill a coyote?

lynx/cat-trapper · « **Reply #1 on:** June 23, 2003, 05:55:41 PM »

Sure...and you "could" kill an elephant with a .22 if you hit him right. Get the answer??? If you are trapping/snaring coyote or any OTHER animals. You have the responsability to dispatch them in a humane and quick manner...not shooting them 12 times in the head with a bb gun. A "perfect" hit would dispatch one I'm sure with a high power bb/pellet gun....But why?? If you dont/cant use a .22 or larger...there are LOTS of other WAY more humane way's to dispatch.
later
lynx 8)

flat tail beaver · « **Reply #2 on:** July 04, 2003, 05:44:07 AM »

lynx you are nuts if you own a powerfull enough pellet gun then go for it i kill almost every animal on my line with a pellet gun. granted mine shoots 1000fps and costs $130 but i do see your point those $70 ones you can buy from meijers wont kill a coyote as fast as mine but i would say if you are confident that it will kill an animal go for it.

Wackyquacker · « **Reply #3 on:** July 04, 2003, 09:41:45 AM »

While some pellet rifles have sufficient power to dispatch animals most are marginal at best. At that, most will need precsice shot placement even on smaller critters. I would put the pellet rifle and trapping into the same type catagory that one puts a 410 and skeet shooting...best left for those with experience.

lynx/cat-trapper · « **Reply #4 on:** July 04, 2003, 05:13:25 PM »

Exactly and well put WQ...I use a ..22 cal pellet rifle...NOT A bb gun...FT Beaver...the reference was to a bb gun...NOT a pellet rifle...WAY BIG difference!!! I use my ..22 cal pellet rifle exclusively on the two WMA's I trap for our DNR...WITH the exception of when they want me to shoot some chucks...then I use the ..22 rifle w/stingers. BUT still the .22 pellet rifle does NOT do that good of a job on coons or coyote...will NOT use it again on these...if you cant do it w/the first shot...you need a "change up". The .22 cal pellet does NOT always dispatch a coyote or coon on one shot...not good. I've put in right on thier forehead w/a choke pole holding them down.....cant be shot placement...lol
later
lynx :eek: [/b]

OldCoon · « **Reply #5 on:** July 05, 2003, 03:20:07 AM »

It's all moot in Pensylvania. It's illegal to use a BB gun or pellet rifle while hunting or trapping.

RdFx · « **Reply #6 on:** July 05, 2003, 10:09:20 AM »

I wonder how many trappers out there were breaking the law when they were kids running out back of the house LOL.

georgiaboy · « **Reply #7 on:** July 05, 2003, 10:18:48 AM »

why in the heck would you want to use a pellet gun?my 7 year old read this and fell out in floor laughing.

flat tail beaver · « **Reply #8 on:** July 05, 2003, 12:30:43 PM »

its a matter of price and leagality for me the michigan dnr allows a minor to carry a pellet rifle but not a 22 rifle by themselves im only 16 and that presents a problem for me it also costs less. a 7cent bullet compared to a 1cent pellet suits me and in the long run i would like to spend my money on the cheaper. since i have to buy my own ammo it is also leagal.

Bogmaster · « **Reply #9 on:** July 05, 2003, 01:12:52 PM »

I don't want this to turn into a spitting match.Trapper T asked about BB guns--not a pellet gun. He has been answered by several.A BB gun is not considred a viable dispatch tool.Granted there are some very powerful air rifles on the market--most reading these posts--do not ,and never will own one.
Flattail-I pay nowhere near 7cents for a .22 round.Here again we are looking at the most suitable means of dispatching our catches.If your pellet rifle will dispatch a coon or coyote with a single shot,so be it.But never let 6 cents stand in the way of a humane dispatch.Are you taking hundreds of animals a year--even at 100 animals ,the increased cost of a .22 is a couple bucks.Remember we owe our catches a quick dispatch--lets strive to do this. Tom

foxtail · « **Reply #10 on:** July 06, 2003, 05:18:53 PM »

Under very rare circumstances, where every thing goes perfectly, maybe sometimes.
Therefore the wise person would take the answer to be a definete NO.
Like Tom said, we owe it to our prey to give them as humane of a death as we can give them.
If you are too young to legally carry a rifle, get yourself a magnum or beslisle 220 and use that if you are afraid to dispatch them by blunt force trauma.
Just please don't use the bb gun, it is not powerful enough and could actually get you hurt if the wounded coyote decides to go crazy and pull out of the trap in his zeal to get you for wounding it.

Dan Mich Trapper · « **Reply #11 on:** July 08, 2003, 12:47:22 PM »

I'm no gun pro but will tell ya it took more than 2 shots to kill a yote with 22 shorts at 10 feet . I will only use long rifles on them any more .

trappnman · « **Reply #12 on:** July 08, 2003, 01:05:03 PM »

good point dan- I see the same thing with shorts- esp on coon. In fact, even with LR, I find more often than not the slug doesn't even penetrate, just falls to the floor as I am skinning.

ak_rob · « **Reply #13 on:** July 08, 2003, 01:08:19 PM »

I'm no pro at this but what's wrong with a big stick? When I'm out I always have an ice spud or walking stick with a good wack behind the ears it's over. I also carry a .223 T/C pistol for anything a range.
Just my two cents.

Appleknocker · « **Reply #14 on:** July 09, 2003, 04:16:54 AM »

I have not used a BB/pellet gun on coyote. I do use LR without any problem. I have used a Crossman BB/pellet gun on coon without a problem. I shoot them in the ear. My normal gun for the trapline is a Ruger 22 pistol. I used CBs in the ear until I ran out and have difficulty finding. I use 22 shorts in the ear and have not had a problem. On fox, I stun them on the nose with a 3 foot piece of 1 x 1 oak, then give them 2 or 3 good hits in the throat and have never had a problem. I have also shot coon out of trees using that BB/pellet gun, 30 or 40 feet max. The pellets are much better than the BBs.

Dan Mich Trapper · « **Reply #15 on:** July 09, 2003, 01:36:52 PM »

Rob , I know some guys use the ol' club method but a bullet is quicker and more humane . T-man I use shorts on my coon without too many probs . I am shooting at point blank tho . When coonhunting LR's are the way to go . I dont doubt what you are saying at all but so far the only problem animals for me are yotes and grinners . I found when dispatching a coon , I am almost right over them and shooting straight doen between their eyes and a LR goes right through the chin leaving a mess . Try shorts from right above them and you may have better luck with penetration .

trappnman · « **Reply #16 on:** July 09, 2003, 03:49:58 PM »

Hmmn- I shoot my coon the same way as yotes- straight on, not straight down. With coyotes- between the eyes and and inch up is a quick, 1 shot kill. I'll try a more st down angle on coons. Possum I take out of trap by tail, and put the muzzle right back of the bump on the back of the skull- a 1 shot deal there too. I tried that stick behind the neck, pullup technique on possums and wasn't happy with it at all-

AKA Craig · « **Reply #17 on:** July 09, 2003, 04:54:29 PM »

lol who would EVER use a pellet gun to shoot a yote. not only is it not humane its just stupid to ever use anything short of a .22 LONG RIFLE to shoot an animal. LOL

Craig :-D

Bogmaster · « **Reply #18 on:** July 09, 2003, 07:55:41 PM »

Craig, I stated earlier I didnt want this to turn into a spitting match.We have a young man,Trapper T asking a legitimate question.
It is better for him to ask what he doesnt know ,than to go out and have to find out for himself--especially in this case.
We encourage questions here, if we become to critical and caustic, the questions will stop.
Remember trappers--the only dumb question is the one you did not ask... Tom

Wackyquacker · « **Reply #19 on:** July 10, 2003, 04:22:00 AM »

On the subject of 22 rimfires; I have found that barrel length is a major factor when choosing shorts vs long rifles. I have not had any problems with shorts when using a rifle, but in a pistol I find just as T-man...insufficient penetration and slugs falling on the floor during skining.

daddywpb · « **Reply #20 on:** July 12, 2003, 01:45:33 AM »

This has got to be the most rediculous and disturbing discussion I've ever read. It is your responsibility to kill a trapped animal quickly and humanely. Shooting them with BB guns, or beating them to death with sticks is about as childish and irresponsible as you can get. If you can't afford a box of .22's, find another hobby!

flat tail beaver · « **Reply #21 on:** July 12, 2003, 01:58:56 PM »

http://www.gunsmoke.com/scot/guns/1022/22ballistics.html

check the balisticks if you dont believe me that some pellet rifles will humainly dispatch an animal.

my "gamo hunter 220" fires a pellet at the factory speed of 1000fps you can modify it to fire a pellet at 1100fps some of the 22lr rounds on the website fire only 244 and 70fps faster than my pellet gun fires a pellet. now craig try and tell me now that its "not only is it not humane its just stupid"
just trying to put all the facts on the table :evil:

lynx/cat-trapper · « **Reply #22 on:** July 12, 2003, 07:49:31 PM »

Sorry flat tail...not only have you put your intergrity on the "line" on an issue you more than likely have VERY little experience with....but MOST importantly your lack of experience on the given issue is VERY likely to cause "issues" with you and the success of your future line....given a few more years of trapping...AND more gained "working" knowledge... I have confidence that you will "adjust" your thinking with your experiences....you just need to "listen & learn" from some of the more experienced trappers on here....learn from our mistakes ....not your impulsive "this is what the spec's say" thinking. I was like that once...then I realized that I "didnt" know quite as much as I thought I did....and that old trapper that couldnt speak a sentence of proper english knew more than I could learn in a lifetime. Impulsiveness has it's time and place...you need to learn the time...and the place....this is neither. Dont take this post in a "distructive" sense....it is 100% constructive and intended to further you "education" on the issue...not hinder it.
'later
lynx