Author Topic: If you were setting up a dedicated wild boar rifle, what would it be? (Read 14309 times)

kyelkhunter3006 · « **Reply #60 on:** January 06, 2008, 05:17:57 AM »

I just couldn't imagine using a .22 or .17 hmr to hunt big pigs. Little ones, yeah, ok. But something that's 300 lbs or more, with the thick skin and gristle, and a everyday pissy attitude? Reading on this forum and other places on the web, it amazes me that some of the same people (in general, not anyone that's particularly on this thread) that use the .22 on a big boar are the same people that insist on a 7mm or .300 magnum for whitetails, and a .45 ACP +P+ for concealed carry. What's the logic behind this? It escapes me totally. I'd shoot a deer or a nasty person with a .22 all day long before I'd take a poke at a 300lb pig with one.

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30-06man · « **Reply #61 on:** January 06, 2008, 06:00:03 AM »

I shoot right behind the ear and I have only had to use a second shot one time. I would hunt one with a big bore but I use those for the think areas and long range shots. I practice so much with the .22 that its actually easier to kill one. I don't use a 300mag on deer. I normally will hunt black bear with something like that or a long range shot and I use a 45-70 in the brush. If it was ethical I wouldn't do it. Heck I don't see a use to conceal carry where I am at so I don't and when I did it was a .380 I would use a 45-70 if I was hunting some of the ones down in the real low state that will chase you down but the ones I am talking about aren't all that care full at what they do and there is no use in anything bigger than a .22
And about the 300wsm I don't own one and don't want to I was just referring to the high prices of them not as I want one but I do want another 45-70 and it probably would go hog hunting with me some but I wouldn't retire my .22

To hunt a hog with a .22 it takes a lot of practice and you have to have your gun dead on or you shouldn't be using it.

30-06man · « **Reply #62 on:** January 06, 2008, 06:02:41 AM »

Heck I was sitting in the shop the other day watching Nugent on the outdoor channel pump a little hog full of lead with his pistol but if he would have taken one shot behind the ear it would have fell. It just takes practice and then it can be done. The hogs are a nuisance around here to and people will go out of their way to kill one with anything they have but I don't.

dougk · « **Reply #63 on:** January 11, 2008, 05:00:55 AM »

THis gun is setup as a hog gun but could be used for larger game as well as deer. Here is the Valmet 412 in 12/9.3x74R. The IM choke on the shotgun lets me shoot slugs or 00 buck shot and the 9.3x74R well its on the way back and a nice heavy bullet.

Here is a picture showing the 9.3x74R Norma 286 gr Alaska and a Winchester Supreme 165 gr failsafe.

Doug

Questor · « **Reply #64 on:** January 15, 2008, 05:28:33 AM »

I think this is one case where the 45-70 Lever Action rifles would be a great tool. There are so many good bullets for it, and they can be made in a handy size. Marlin Guide guns seem very attractive for this application. I haven't used them, but that's what I'd be looking at.

It's also a good time for a plug for my favorite 375 H&H magnum. It's more powerful than needed, but it's also got a lot of good bullets available for it. Mine has a 1.5-5x scope and it handles well in the woods.

But I still think of hog hunting as a handgun sport.

dougk · « **Reply #65 on:** January 25, 2008, 11:11:47 AM »

Quote from: Questor on January 15, 2008, 05:28:33 AM

It's also a good time for a plug for my favorite 375 H&H magnum. It's more powerful than needed, but it's also got a lot of good bullets available for it. Mine has a 1.5-5x scope and it handles well in the woods.

But I still think of hog hunting as a handgun sport.

Interestingly you can hunt with a Dan Wesson 375 Supermag .... I will post a pic when I pick up the gun from my FFL.

Dictator · « **Reply #66 on:** February 03, 2008, 03:32:43 AM »

I like my 600 Overkill. It worked on this first one

mcwoodduck · « **Reply #67 on:** February 03, 2008, 10:03:43 AM »

I've heard of 600 Nitro Express but what is 600 Over kill?
What are those projectiles?
It looks like it's a blown out 458 case with a rebated rim.
And final question is what speed are those bullets leaving the tube? I say tube as in artillery.
Nice boar.
Are you going to have it mounted or just use the ivory for something?

Dictator · « **Reply #68 on:** February 03, 2008, 10:36:39 AM »

Quote from: mcwoodduck on February 03, 2008, 10:03:43 AM

I've heard of 600 Nitro Express but what is 600 Over kill?
What are those projectiles?
It looks like it's a blown out 458 case with a rebated rim.
And final question is what speed are those bullets leaving the tube? I say tube as in artillery.
Nice boar.
Are you going to have it mounted or just use the ivory for something?

Thanks mcwoodduck,
The 600 Overkill is a wildcat based loosely on the 505 Gibbs case blown out straight with a belt added for headspacing. The bullets picture are a Kodiak RNSP and an 800gr X-type expanding mono bullet made by the same maker as my rifle AHR (American Hunting Riflles). I used a Woodleigh 900gr SP for this hunt but am testing these other 2 as they are a little tougher to take the higher speeds of the Overkill vs the older Nitro Express.
Yes I am doing a full shoulder mount and a European skull mount both. Should get back this summer.

Joe

woodchukhntr · « **Reply #69 on:** February 03, 2008, 02:28:33 PM »

Dictator,

That is sure one fine hog! I never heard of the .600 Overkill before, but it lives up to it's name. I looks like it is probably equally deadly on either end!!! What is your barrel length?

You've got a lot of ammo there! But better safe than sorry. My buddy's son was using a 94 in .32 Win. last fall. He actually only brought 3 cartridges since he thought that was all he would need. Well, 3 shots, 1 hit, a deer that got away, and the rest of the day driving for his father and sister. Maybe the next time he carries an oddball rifle with only 3 cartridges, it will at least be a military rifle with a bayonet!

30-06man · « **Reply #70 on:** February 03, 2008, 03:50:05 PM »

Quote from: woodchukhntr on February 03, 2008, 02:28:33 PM

Dictator,

That is sure one fine hog! I never heard of the .600 Overkill before, but it lives up to it's name. I looks like it is probably equally deadly on either end!!! What is your barrel length?

You've got a lot of ammo there! But better safe than sorry. My buddy's son was using a 94 in .32 Win. last fall. He actually only brought 3 cartridges since he thought that was all he would need. Well, 3 shots, 1 hit, a deer that got away, and the rest of the day driving for his father and sister. Maybe the next time he carries an oddball rifle with only 3 cartridges, it will at least be a military rifle with a bayonet!

Well I guess he learned his lesson. I always have at least 10 rounds with me and if I am in a area where I know I can't get ammo then maybe a box or two.

Quote from: Dictator on February 03, 2008, 03:32:43 AM

I like my 600 Overkill. It worked on this first one

Nice boar and rifle. I really like that setup.

mcwoodduck · « **Reply #71 on:** February 03, 2008, 04:15:37 PM »

And some of you want to go boar hunting with a 22LR. I'm guessing a monster like Dictators' is not running around in your woods. Now you know why some guys suggest 308 and up as a boar rifle on this thread.

30-06man · « **Reply #72 on:** February 03, 2008, 04:19:00 PM »

Quote from: mcwoodduck on February 03, 2008, 04:15:37 PM

And some of you want to go boar hunting with a 22LR. I'm guessing a monster like Dictators' is not running around in your woods. Now you know why some guys suggest 308 and up as a boar rifle on this thread.

I don't hunt hogs that size with a .22LR. If I hunt hogs that size I am at least having my 45-70 guide gun. We have hogs that size but they are very few and far between but if that's what the majority of hogs were around here I would have something larger.

SHOOTALL · « **Reply #73 on:** February 04, 2008, 09:58:17 AM »

30-06 man , what do ya do if ya got a mouse gun and one of these guys happen along ?

kevthebassman · « **Reply #74 on:** February 04, 2008, 10:25:37 AM »

IMHO, the author already has the perfect setup for wild boar. Marlin 336 in .35 Rem is good medicine for large critters inside 100 yards, and deer inside 200 yards.

Dee · « **Reply #75 on:** February 04, 2008, 11:02:33 AM »

I don't think a hog that size is running around in "any body's" woods, unless it escaped, but it may be running around in some body's fenced woods. Either way it's a good sized hog for sure.
Unless FED, feral hogs don't usually live long enough to get that big. That is one big hog. We've had feral hogs down here in my part of Texas, for close to 200 years I guess, but I have never been lucky enough to even SEE one that big, or even HEARD of any body else seeing one that size.
My son once killed one on a game ranch in Pennsylvania that looked a lot like that one. Busted it with a 50 calibur muzzleloader. The ranch was quite reasonable, and even butchered the hog for him.
Congrats, that's a big hog.

30-06man · « **Reply #76 on:** February 04, 2008, 01:08:46 PM »

Quote from: Dee on February 04, 2008, 11:02:33 AM

I don't think a hog that size is running around in "any body's" woods, unless it escaped, but it may be running around in some body's fenced woods. Either way it's a good sized hog for sure.
Unless FED, feral hogs don't usually live long enough to get that big. That is one big hog. We've had feral hogs down here in my part of Texas, for close to 200 years I guess, but I have never been lucky enough to even SEE one that big, or even HEARD of any body else seeing one that size.
My son once killed one on a game ranch in Pennsylvania that looked a lot like that one. Busted it with a 50 calibur muzzleloader. The ranch was quite reasonable, and even butchered the hog for him.
Congrats, that's a big hog.

That's just it I have never seen a hog that size that wasn't in a fence but I have heard of them. If by some chance there was a hog that size and I had a .22 then I would not shoot, just because it would be stupid to.

Dee · « **Reply #77 on:** February 04, 2008, 01:55:42 PM »

Did you weigh that hog, and was it killed in Penn? My son said they got their hogs ( the game ranch) mostly from Texas, which is where I live. I have friends that trap'em and sell'em to the hunting ranches. They castrate them before re-releasing them, and I think that's why their looks change, and they get so big.
I have killed some weight close to 400lbs, but usually a 350lb is a very big hog. They only live to about 6 years old in the wild. They wear their molars down foraging, and more or less starve to death I guess. Anyway they get weak, and if coyotes don't get them then, they just die. Of course other hogs may eat them, a hog will eat any thing, including you, if he gets a chance. They aren't as hard to kill as people think, but I don't hunt'em with a 22lr.
I have shot them with everything from a 4570, which is more than enough, to a 223 which if your a good shot is plenty. My favorite is a 3030 or 357 mag in a Model 92 Winchester rifle. Either will handle a big hog.
I'm guessin your hog is pushin 600lbs. Is that close?
The hog I am kneeled over in my avatar goes about 300lbs and is a black boar,(I'm a pretty good sized guy) and as you can see I am holding the M4 I shot him with. I eased up on him while he was sleepin under a cedar tree, in a cedar break. I'm a sneaky kinda guy that way. One shot to the neck, and he never got up. Used a 52 grain match hollow point. Drug him out into a field with a jeep.

Ditchdigger · « **Reply #78 on:** February 04, 2008, 02:37:33 PM »

Dee,pm me your ph. no.,I think I might have one located up in the Washita arm of the lake today.Judgeing by the fresh tracks,he's close to 450 pds. They get off the Tishamingo Wildlife Refuge every now and then,and they get really big up there. Digger

Dictator · « **Reply #79 on:** February 08, 2008, 11:05:17 AM »

Thanks for the comments guys. This bruiser weighed a tad over 480 lbs. We weighed him on a tucking company's digital frieght scale. The barrel length on the rifle is 20" plus brake which is about 4" long. The ammo belt is an Avery Outdoors duck hunting shotgun shell belt. It works better than my leather culling belt & is much cheaper. That load hit him with almost 9000 ft./ lbs

woodchukhntr · « **Reply #80 on:** February 09, 2008, 02:51:04 PM »

9000 ft-lb is a bit of overkill for, like anything on planet earth! A .460 Weatherby has about 8000 ft-lb. a .458 Winchester, 5700. I bet she pushes you around a bit!

Dee · « **Reply #81 on:** February 09, 2008, 03:02:40 PM »

Good thing I ain't guessin weight for a livin. I missed that one a bunch. Are you standin slightly behind the hog, that may have thrown me off. That would make it look a little bigger, using you as a comparison. I usually get pretty close. Either way that's still a BIG HOG.

Dictator · « **Reply #82 on:** February 10, 2008, 03:51:47 AM »

Quote from: woodchukhntr on February 09, 2008, 02:51:04 PM

9000 ft-lb is a bit of overkill for, like anything on planet earth! A .460 Weatherby has about 8000 ft-lb. a .458 Winchester, 5700. I bet she pushes you around a bit!

It isn't as bad as you might think. The stock design really helps on this rifle. I don't think it kicks as hard as some of the faster 50's or even 45's. I've shot 505 Gibbs & the 460 Weatherby's and they feel so FAST and sharp on recoil. If I keep the loads around 2100-2200 for the 900 grns, it's quite pleasant for a big bore, BUT---- Take it to 2400 and that's another story

Dee---I wasn't standing behind him. It really is that big. I've never seen one this big for sure. To give you an idea, I'm 6'-6" & 285 and as my wife say "it kind of slimming". She's a funny girl. Here's another pic before we got him out of the woods. I shot him at Bear Mountain in the U P of Michigan----COLD

jmayton · « **Reply #83 on:** February 20, 2008, 08:24:29 AM »

I help a guy control the hogs on his ranch (6500 acres) and last year I took 23 off of his place. This year the count is already up to 9...and that's going 2-3 times a month. I've killed them with a Savage 30-06, M1 Carbine, Ak-47 (SA), AR-15, Mosin Nagant, Glock 40, 1911, S&W 357 Mag and 38 Spl, and NEF Handi Rifle .223. Most of the ones killed with the .223 were with my handloads pushing 55gr Sierra GameKing soft points. My experience has been shot placement over caliber every time....but I still have some firepower on my hip if necessary. I've done the dog and knife thing as well. I've seen hogs run away like nothing happened with a heart/lung shot from a .270 and drop stone dead from a .223. Go figure. Anyway, I'm thinking about getting the new Savage Predator Hunter in .243 (new offering in 2008) for my hog gun, long range plinker, and predator rifle. That would be my preferred gun....but a Springfield M1A SocomII would be quite nice.

Dee · « **Reply #84 on:** February 20, 2008, 09:30:01 AM »

Well, I just thought him heavier. The one in my avatar was about 320lbs, I am 6'3" and weigh about 250, so the hog with me over and a little in front looks smaller. I winched him out of the woods several yards with my jeep, but got him sleepin under a cedar in the brush. I used the rifle in the picture, with a 52 grain match hollow point. He never got up.
My favorite in the brush close in would be my Model 94 3030 Winchester. I have been shootin it since 1957, and it's plenty for even the biggest hogs. The one that I carry the most however, is the Model 92 Winchester clone that I reworked in 357 magnum. This one, with the 24" octagon barrel, I almost live with when I leave the house, it goes with me. I truly enjoy this rifle, and it too will handle the biggest hogs with hand loads. The 13 shots don't hurt anything either. It is a tack driver.

Dictator · « **Reply #85 on:** February 20, 2008, 01:12:02 PM »

Quote from: Dee on February 20, 2008, 09:30:01 AM

Well, I just thought him heavier. The one in my avatar was about 320lbs, I am 6'3" and weigh about 250, so the hog with me over and a little in front looks smaller. I winched him out of the woods several yards with my jeep, but got him sleepin under a cedar in the brush. I used the rifle in the picture, with a 52 grain match hollow point. He never got up.
My favorite in the brush close in would be my Model 94 3030 Winchester. I have been shootin it since 1957, and it's plenty for even the biggest hogs. The one that I carry the most however, is the Model 92 Winchester clone that I reworked in 357 magnum. This one, with the 24" octagon barrel, I almost live with when I leave the house, it goes with me. I truly enjoy this rifle, and it too will handle the biggest hogs with hand loads. The 13 shots don't hurt anything either. It is a tack driver.

Dee----Don't tell my wife you used a normal rifle w/ a 52gr bullets. I'll loose my excuse for a 700 cal rifle

30-06man · « **Reply #86 on:** February 20, 2008, 03:23:00 PM »

Quote from: Dictator on February 20, 2008, 01:12:02 PM

Quote from: Dee on February 20, 2008, 09:30:01 AM
Well, I just thought him heavier. The one in my avatar was about 320lbs, I am 6'3" and weigh about 250, so the hog with me over and a little in front looks smaller. I winched him out of the woods several yards with my jeep, but got him sleepin under a cedar in the brush. I used the rifle in the picture, with a 52 grain match hollow point. He never got up.
My favorite in the brush close in would be my Model 94 3030 Winchester. I have been shootin it since 1957, and it's plenty for even the biggest hogs. The one that I carry the most however, is the Model 92 Winchester clone that I reworked in 357 magnum. This one, with the 24" octagon barrel, I almost live with when I leave the house, it goes with me. I truly enjoy this rifle, and it too will handle the biggest hogs with hand loads. The 13 shots don't hurt anything either. It is a tack driver.

Dee----Don't tell my wife you used a normal rifle w/ a 52gr bullets. I'll loose my excuse for a 700 cal rifle

Don't you mean a 70 caliber? Just don't let her read the site it works every time.

Dee · « **Reply #87 on:** February 22, 2008, 07:45:08 AM »

What's her email address? I'll fix you up good.

Dictator · « **Reply #88 on:** February 22, 2008, 10:41:56 AM »

That's what I'm afraid of

SHOOTALL · « **Reply #89 on:** February 22, 2008, 10:52:30 AM »

Dee , whats a normal rifle ?