Couple more general T/C questions

[Tobiano]

  Hi All...

     When buying Contender/Encore items on the Internet... which items are able to be shipped directly from a private seller or a dealer to a private buyer (who doesn't have an FFL) ?  Frames ? Barrels ?

    The possible combinations of T/C frames/grips/forends/barrels is staggering. Is there some sort of index or key or crystal ball that helps someone who is buying/trading barrels etc. make sure what they get is usable with the equipment they have ?

 Many thanks All !

[Keith L]

Welcome aboard!  You are right.  There are lots of combinations involved.  But it really is simple:  If the sale involves a frame then it is ffl to ffl, or in states that permit it face to face.  I can't think of any other bits and pieces that require that.  If others do I am sure they will join in.

Have fun!

[Tobiano]

  Thanks Keith !!

  If the barrels (alone) can be sent without the FFL hassle that would be great as it's more likely one would buy/sell/swap barrels a lot more often than frames.

 Thanks again !

[Catfish]

With any guns the only parts that need FLL to FLL is the actions. Barrels, triggers, stocks, ect do not require FLL.

[neald]

Tobiano ,
 I will go one step beyond the t/c's. If it is a modern firearm then the part that had the serial number need the ffl transfer. The reason I say modern firearm is if you look at some old firearms they put numbers on most of the parts.
 Neal

[woodchukhntr]

You also have to know if it is a rifle or pistol frame.  They are identical, but the Feds have a problem if you put a pistol barrel on a rifle frame.  In their eyes you have just "manufactured" a pistol, an activity that requires a federal license which you don't have.

[solocam72]

You also have to know if it is a rifle or pistol frame.  They are identical, but the Feds have a problem if you put a pistol barrel on a rifle frame.  In their eyes you have just "manufactured" a pistol, an activity that requires a federal license which you don't have.

  I just bought a brand new encore pistol, can I convert it to a rifle without any kind of legal trouble? I have already bought a Flextech butstock and forend for it.

[woodchukhntr]

solocam72,

Yes, just don't have the buttstock on while you have a barrel less than 16" long attached to the frame.

[30-06man]

Just buy a pistol frame and you have all your bases covered unless the it is like what woodchukntr said. Also there is much controversy over this issue. T/c has one said all frames were pistol but no one is for sure so just go with a pistol frame because its cheaper than going and paying $200 to have it made legally into a pistol frame.

[woodchukhntr]

30-06man,

You are right, and that was what I attempted, apparently poorly, to say.  You can do anything you want with a pistol frame.  Keep the documentation for when you sell the frame.

[rickyp]

before you make a pistol into a rifle check with your state, county and town laws  to make sure you are not breaking some law, Some places have stupid and or strange laws the feds have no troubles with making a pistol into a rifle and then converting it back to pistol.

If you have the shoulder stock you have better have a barrel over 16" to go with  it or have proof that it has been sent out for repair and will be returned to you.
If for some reason they find your frame and shoulder stock  and all short barrels with no indications of a rifle barrel they will assume you are making a short barrels rifle which is a federal offense.

All contender barrels with the exception of the armor alloy will interchange with contender frames with  little troubles,  but you will need different for-ends
all encore barrels will work on all encore frames you will need a pistol for-end a rifle for-end black powder for-end, a shotgun for-end

everything but the frame it's self can be shipped person to person and via the us postal service. frames must go UPS or fed ex next day air for private sales it has to go to FFl but for repair it can go right to the repair shop and back to you and your address.

[ourway77]

If you are an upstanding person and don't advertise you have a rifle frame as a pistol your chances are slim too none of being called on it. Until I became familiar with TC's, I as a Police officer had no idea of this and most of the Game warden friends I have, and hunt with don't really seem to care unless you get s----- with them and then they may call you on it. I am not saying go ahead and do it, it has to be your call But ( Even a fish wouldn't get caught if he kept his mouth shut) I often wonder why TC doesn't have a designation on the receiiver that sets a frame apart from a rifle or pistol?

[Tommyt]

If you are an upstanding person and don't advertise you have a rifle frame as a pistol your chances are slim too none of being called on it. Until I became familiar with TC's, I as a Police officer had no idea of this and most of the Game warden friends I have, and hunt with don't really seem to care unless you get s----- with them and then they may call you on it. I am not saying go ahead and do it, it has to be your call But ( Even a fish wouldn't get caught if he kept his mouth shut) I often wonder why TC doesn't have a designation on the receiiver that sets a frame apart from a rifle or pistol?

I have the same nightmare 

[30-06man]

Heck they should just register them as pistol frames and be done with it. Sell the frame outright with the option of the stocks/grips and barrel with the forearm and then sell the barrels in a package with the option of a forearm. IF I were T/C that is what I would do.