There is significant difference between Pachmayer's for Contenders and what they just came out with for Encores. I agree with Dave, they're the greastest thing going for Contenders. I installed them long ago on all of mine. The Encore grip is wider, more hand filling...absorbs recoil as well (maybe even better). The forend appears similiar, but they did away with the adapter. It screws directly to the barrel, i.e. TC's forends. Evidently they had trouble with bending or shearing mounting screws. They now have a standard version and a magnum version of the forend with the reccomended breaking point being the .308WIN. The magnum version is lighter than the standard(to reduce torque on the screws under recoil I assume), and the standard version that I have is lighter than the forend for the Contender w/ adapter. I really like the grip, but I envision me going to Georgia Jim for forends. Just my 2cents FWTW. GOOD SHOOTIN', Walt