Non-corrosive ML powders?

[Busta]

Maybe I do not need a Savage ml and should buy and Encore ml barrel for my Encore frame. Maybe! If this powder is as good as they say. If.

Cheese

If you can shoot smokeless in your state for the muzzleloader season, I would go that route. The smokeless powders are much less expensive per shot. Say for instance you buy a pound (16 oz) of smokeless for about $20-$25, you get 7000 grains by WEIGHT in a pound, at an average of 40 grains by WEIGHT per shot, that is around 175 shots per pound = 12 to 13 cents a shot for powder.

With the Blackhorn 209 you are only getting 10 oz for $30 plus tax, that is only 4375 grains of powder by WEIGHT. If Toby's calculations are right a 100 grain charge by VOLUME of Blackhorn 209 equals just under 70 grains by WEIGHT. The would mean that there is 62.5 100 grain by Volume (70 grain by WEIGHT) charges in a 10 oz (4375 grain WEIGHT) container of Blackhorn 209, costing you 48 cents per charge.

If you wanted an equivalent charge of Blackhorn 209 as compared to the previous example of smokeless powder, you would need 110 grains Blackhorn 209 by VOLUME (77 grains by WEIGHT), giving you 56.8 shots per 10 oz jug, at 53 cents per shot. That is about 4.25 times as much per shot for the powder.

Of course you could still buy a smokeless muzzleloader and use the Blackhorn 209 in other states that do not allow smokeless like Colorado.

In Michigan there has been a Bill in the House (HB 4554) to allow smokeless powder anywhere Black Powder is allowed. This was introduced March 29, 2007, with a printed Bill introduced on March 30, 2007. The last action was April 5, 2007 and it seems they have been sitting on their hands ever since. The following links are for the Michiganders that might not know this Bill is in the works, or should I say quagmire?

http://www.legislature.mi.gov/(S(1ja4xk451nm2io45y1ozfg45))/mileg.aspx?page=GetObject&objectname=2007-HB-4554&queryid=21548598

http://www.legislature.mi.gov/documents/2007-2008/billanalysis/House/htm/2007-HLA-4554-1.htm

[30-06man]

I don't know man its just something about the feeling of the actual black power or a sub that a like it that I like. That's why I don't have a Savage Smokeless yet. I just like the smell and the challenge of the real stuff. I am still going to have to get one though. 

[Cheesehead]

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Good points Busta.

Cheese

[alleyyooper]

Show this to your gun store clerks. Right off the Savage web site.

A Muzzleoaders Dream Come True

Call it innovation...call it thinking out of the box...at Savage, we call it listening to the needs of the hunter. That's why we developed the world's first smokeless powder muzzleloader. The 10ML-II's barrel and hardened breech plug are designed to safely contain the pressures from shooting smokeless. And, since smokeless powders are non-corrosive, the 10ML-II is a muzzleloader hunter's dream come true--clean it next week or next month--you decide.

As soon as I can save enough I'm gona have one.

Al

[Cheesehead]

Midsouth has several versions of the Savage ml in stock, just a click away. I am getting closer to that click.

Cheese

[bubba]

No offense to anyone but I guess I am just old school. I like the sidelock T/c and good old goex. Part of the fun is the clean up and working into the best load for the gun.  Not saying I wont try it in my encore but I just cant get into a smokeless muzzleloader.  Somehow those words just dont sound right together. 

[30-06man]

I don't know man its just something about the feeling of the actual black power or a sub that a like it that I like. That's why I don't have a Savage Smokeless yet. I just like the smell and the challenge of the real stuff. I am still going to have to get one though. 

Yeah.. I feel the same way sometimes about ML's

[simonkenton]

I don't know man its just something about the feeling of the actual black power or a sub that a like it that I like. That's why I don't have a Savage Smokeless yet. I just like the smell and the challenge of the real stuff. I am still going to have to get one though. 

Yeah.. I feel the same way sometimes about ML's

I like that guy you are quoting. He is pretty sharp.

[30-06man]

I don't know man its just something about the feeling of the actual black power or a sub that a like it that I like. That's why I don't have a Savage Smokeless yet. I just like the smell and the challenge of the real stuff. I am still going to have to get one though. 

Yeah.. I feel the same way sometimes about ML's

I like that guy you are quoting. He is pretty sharp.

haha Not sure why I quoted myself.

[slayer]

I buy muzzleloaders for the smoke, the smell and the cleanup and only use Goex BP, but I do respect people using their choice in guns and powder!!

Jack