45 acp bullet

[crabo]

Veral, Is there anywhere I can see a picture of your LFN 45 acp bullet?  Is this the bullet you would recommend for 1911 45s as an all around hunting and long range shooting?  I bought some round flat nose bullets from someone and I would like to get a mold for it.

Thanks,

Crabo

[Veral]

  Yes the LFN is the bullet I recommend for the 45 acp, in weights from 220 to 260 grains, with probably 230 being optimum weight for most shooters wanting to hunt with the gun.

  I'm not sure whether there is a picture of this bullet on my website, but the nose is identical to all the 45 LFN's which are pictured.  It is just cut shorter to get the desired weight.                 My website is                LBTMoulds.com

[saddlebum]

There is not a picture of that .45 acp bullet in the catalog. But if you scroll down to the LFN rifle section there is a picture of a .458 LFN that has the same nose shape. I have a 225gr LFN mold for my 1911. If you can imagine the nose of the pictured .458 bullet as being your acp bullet with a lube groove near the bottom of the nose, thats what the .45 acp LFN looks like. The .458 is a much heavier bullet but the nose is the same as all .45 LFNs. Just a longer base for more weight. The 200-230gr LFN for the .45 acp is a my favorite bullet. Mine runs about 900fps but can be pushed a little faster. No feeding problems dispite the large meplat in my Kimber Classic Custom. I would recomend it over anything else I know of for best performance.

[pourboy]

I have that mould. The bullet does look exactly like any 45 LFN, but it only has one lube groove, and it's about 1/4 inch up from the bullet base. Mine is the 230 gr, as per Verals recommendation. I haven't had the opportunity to shoot any of my bullets yet, so I can't offer any more specific information.

[Veral]

  Here's how this ACP bullet was 'invented'.  A customer cut the nose from a 340 gr LFN mold which I'd made for his 454 Casull, and sent me one at the weight he wanted.  He had used the crimp groove for grease and cut off ahead of the most forward grease groove.  He had made up a few with a lathe and liked the way they fed and shot.

  I've made hundreds of these molds in weights from 210 up to 260 gr, and just do not get complaints about feeding or inferior accuracy.  In most guns when seated just deep enough the case so they will cycle through the clip, they feed perfectly.  If I remembered the customers name I brag about him here, but have forgotten it, as that was at least 15 years ago, I believe.

[saddlebum]

Hey!! I was just looking thru the forums and found a photo of the LBT.45acp LFN. A very smart and nice fellow left a good picture of some LFNs and his Colt Commander. Click on picture. Remember, nose shape the same and longer or shorter for different weights. You are only doing the hogs a favor if you wait to get a mold and don't shoot this bullet at about 900-1000 fps. Hope 44man doesn't mind me borrowing his picture.  Click on pic to enlarge.

[saddlebum]

I'm still trying to figure out how everything works. Anybody know how I can delete a post? PM me if you don't mind, thanks.

[Veral]

  Saddlebum. 
  I don't know if, or how anyone beside a moderator can delete, or edit, or modify, a post.
  If you wan't to do any of the above on my forum, let me know and I will take care of it.

  Just tween you and me and the gatepost, I've written up several new posts, then changed my mind, but coudn't  figgure out how to delete the whole thing, but my moderator screen allows me to edit, so I hit edit and erase the page.  Works just fine for a computor illiterate like me.

  By the way.  As a proper maintenence of pride, anyone can email me a request as above, I'll take care of it and forget it, and who you are soon as the delete butten does it's work.    My email is  LBTisAccuracy@Imbris
  After all, what are friends for?

[saddlebum]

Thanks Veral! I got all sideways trying to help a guy get a look at your LFNs. I figured out how to get the picture over here and how to modify my posts but couldn't delete the one so I used it to ask for help. Yeah, sometimes I'm glad that forums like this are annonomus so when I embarrass myself it's not so bad. If I drove my pickup like I handle a computer it would be all death and distruction. 6:00 international news kinda stuff with life flights,road blocks, Governer declare a state of emergency, millions of dollars in rescue and emergency aid and lawsuits.  Alot less costly to crash my laptop.  God Bless !!!

[Veral]

  If you are not liking the photo of gun and cartridges you sent, I can't figgure out why!  I like it a lot!

[saddlebum]

Actually that one worked out real good. It was the one below, and I modified it to ask for help since I had to put something in it cause it wouldn't go away. The picture worked out great. Better than the way we are instructed to do it in the how to section. I couldn't figure out the instructions anyway. Like I usually do I figured out a way before I read the instructions. I saved 44man's picture to my laptop and at the bottom left of the posting page,(additional options), there is a way to add attachments. So I attached the picture by pulling it off my laptop. Like doing an email. I like it better cause it takes up less space but when you click on it, it gets bigger than the other pics I've seen on here. Leave it to me to take a different road to get to the same place.   I'm getting into these smiley things too. I'm  gettin an urge to use them all, dispersed through out one post..... I need to get a life ! Talk to you later !

[GSSP]

Hope this helps.


I've loaded these upto 990 fps using straight wheel weights with zero leading.  Accuracy, depending upon the powder, can be phenomenol.  Have never had a malf in my Ed Brown 5" Special Forces 1911.

Alan

[saddlebum]

GSSP;
Great picture and looks like a great job casting those LFNs. I am wondering how much yours weigh to get 990fps. I'm using 225gr LFNs over 6grs of 231 with LBT Blue lube. I don't have a chronograph but I thought I must be sneaking up on 1000fps pretty close. I shoot a 5" Kimber. Bullets sized to .452. I have got to where I water quench all my handgun bullets, whether they need it or not.
Thanks for the picture!

[GSSP]

Saddlebum,

Mine weigh 230 gr.  I used Soft LBT Blue, sized .453".  Haven't tried the W231 for those high speeds but the manual says 6 gr should get you to 970 fps.  Mine are air cooled so I get good bore seal.  Powders used to get me up there are Power Pistol, AA #5, HS-6 and Longshot.  Use a strong recoil spring; 20-22 lb

Alan

[saddlebum]

Saddlebum,

Mine weigh 230 gr.  I used Soft LBT Blue, sized .453".  Haven't tried the W231 for those high speeds but the manual says 6 gr should get you to 970 fps.  Mine are air cooled so I get good bore seal.  Powders used to get me up there are Power Pistol, AA #5, HS-6 and Longshot.  Use a strong recoil spring; 20-22 lb

Alan

Thanks Alan!! 

[Veral]

  To get maximum speed with the 45 ACP, or any auto handgun, use the slowest powder listed in loading manuals for jacketed bullets.  The slower recoil rap of slow burning powders beats the action less than the highly favored high speed rap of faster powders.   I believe 231 is probably the most favored 45 acp powder and it's hard to beat for reliable cycling with light target  to moderat power loads, because of it's fast recoil rap.  But when you want to make the bullets fly fast, choose the slowest powder that will cycle the action consistently and not fill it up with too much unburned powder.  Somewhere in this forum I go into fairly deep detail on how I wring 1200 fps out of 260 gr 45 LFNs in the ACP, with very safe pressures.

[saddlebum]

http://www.gboreloaded.com/forums/index.php/topic,61302.0.html


Thanks Veral!!

[docmagnum357]

I remember reading the post on using " a case full" of really slow burning powder.  Stuff you wouldn't ordinarily put in the acp cartridge, and you saying not to worry, it can't hold enough to be dangerous.  I am an NRA certifide reloading instructor, teach a class or two every month, and i should cringe at that, but you are right.  Now you have gotten me to thinking i don't need a darn 10mm after all; I really love a 230-240 grain bullet at 1200 feet persecond in my 44 mag.  if the 1911 will dothat without super high pressure, why on Earth would anyone need anything else?Pressur , and spped of ignition/burn have everything to do with felkt recoili.e. "rap" or recoil impulse.  And if I remember right, the other post talked about it being hard to get enough of the slow burning powderin the acp case to cycle the action. This sounds right, too. 

I can also imagine the results on flesh and bone.  Hollow points are fine for two legged varmints, where SAFETY TO BYSTANDERS IS CONCERNED.  A tremendous amount of energy is expended REShaPING the hollow point to a WIDE METPLAT as it passes through flesh, and that is if it works right, and doesn't hit bone.  Veral's bullets seem to max out the flesh splattering effect of a bullet, and no energy is wasted PURPOSELY DEFORMING THE BULLET TO A FLAT POINT.

From what i can tell, surgeons have a terrible time extracting bullets anyway, because they all cut a hole Smaller than Diameter.  Not so with the LBT design. They make a hole bigger than diameter, provided velocity is high enough.  I am very impressed, and will soon be ordering more LBT molds.I need to get rid of the bunch of guns i have, and stick with the 44 mag, .45 acp, and perhaps a .35 whelen for a rifle.  I can use cast in all these , no problem.