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Re: NY man shoots teen threatening his family
« Reply #30 on: December 25, 2007, 10:48:44 AM »
Don't know what it's like in the "land of the liberals" but here in the south the Jury has the final say and can go with Jury Nullification and ignore law and evidence if they wish. It's happened numerous times south of the Mason-Dixon.


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Re: NY man shoots teen threatening his family
« Reply #31 on: December 25, 2007, 01:36:21 PM »
white walked out of his house and across his yard to the street shoot an unarmed man in the head. i am glad the jury saw it for what it was. he tried to play the race card and lost. (he actually lied in doing so) i don't know about you guys but that is not why i have guns. this was a perfect example of when to call the cops. his family was in no immediate danger. he saw an opportunity to shoot someone who had called his son a racial name and he went with it. now he will go to prison and someone is dead. all of this started over whites kid threatening to rape a girl on the internet. funny how he is the one person who came out of this clear and free while his dad and the boy he murdered paid the price for his behavior.

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Re: NY man shoots teen threatening his family
« Reply #32 on: December 25, 2007, 01:37:47 PM »
Don't know what it's like in the "land of the liberals" but here in the south the Jury has the final say and can go with Jury Nullification and ignore law and evidence if they wish. It's happened numerous times south of the Mason-Dixon.

yep. i have been in court many, many times and it always falls to the jury. in the end the law can be meaningless.

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« Reply #33 on: December 25, 2007, 02:25:49 PM »
I think White over reacted to the situation.  As long as the mob was outside they were no immediate threat to White and his family, he should have locked the door and called the cops and let them handle the mob.

As we use to say when kids, "sticks and stones may break my bones, but words will never hurt me!"  Staying outside and talking trash does not place anyone in emanate danger. Of course, if the mob attempted to breech the security of the home, then and only then should shots have been fired.

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Re: NY man shoots teen threatening his family
« Reply #34 on: December 25, 2007, 02:36:32 PM »
About "jury nullification"; Three people are allowed to tell bald face lies in court. The two lawyers and the Judge.

The Judge tells the jury they have to, no choice, follow the law. Nope. The reason for the jury is to make sure the laws of the land stay reasonable. They should only convict if the defendant is accused of a reasonable law and if the case is proven beyond a reasonable doubt.

Judges and lawyers don't want people to know that.

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Re: NY man shoots teen threatening his family
« Reply #35 on: December 25, 2007, 05:54:08 PM »
white walked out of his house and across his yard to the street shoot an unarmed man in the head. i am glad the jury saw it for what it was. he tried to play the race card and lost. (he actually lied in doing so) i don't know about you guys but that is not why i have guns. this was a perfect example of when to call the cops. his family was in no immediate danger. he saw an opportunity to shoot someone who had called his son a racial name and he went with it. now he will go to prison and someone is dead. all of this started over whites kid threatening to rape a girl on the internet. funny how he is the one person who came out of this clear and free while his dad and the boy he murdered paid the price for his behavior.

If what you've laid out is how it came down then it does appear the jury might have made the correct call. But since I do not know the facts personally and have made no attempt to follow the case I refrain from making any personal assessments of it.

I do not however agree with leaving one's home to go out to a public street and shoot an unarmed person for talking trash. That is NOT what this country is about.


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Re: NY man shoots teen threatening his family
« Reply #36 on: December 25, 2007, 06:38:56 PM »
here is a link to the story. not quite the same as what i read earlier today on a different service. but i can't find that story anymore and this one is close enough.



http://wcbstv.com/local/john.white.convicted.2.616666.html




 RIVERHEAD, N.Y. (AP) ― A lawyer says an appeal is planned for a black man convicted of second degree manslaughter for shooting a white teenager in a racially charged confrontation on Long Island.

Jurors found John White guilty Saturday night, after four days of deliberations and an emotional three-week trial, despite his claims he feared a "lynch mob" had come to attack his family.

The ruling came on the fourth day of deliberations following an emotional three-week trial in which defense attorneys invoked the nation's violent racist past in arguing the shooting was justified.

There was no visible reaction in the packed courtroom as the jury announced the verdict. John White, 54, was permitted to remain free on bail until sentencing, when he is to face a prison term of five to 15 years. White also was convicted of a weapons possession misdemeanor that carries a penalty of two to seven years in prison, which would likely run concurrently with the other sentence.

Saying White planned to appeal, defense attorney Fred Brewington called the verdict "disappointing for African-Americans" in the area.

"You have to survive in Suffolk County, where people can roll up on your house at 11:30 at night, threaten you, threaten your family, curse at you, call you a n----r, and you've got to take it," he said.

White testified during the trial that he was trying to protect his family when he brandished a gun after a group of angry white teenagers turned up at his house late on the night of Aug. 9, 2006.

White claimed the gun went off accidentally, killing 17-year-old Daniel Cicciaro.

"My son is finally vindicated," Joanne Cicciaro said after the verdict was read. "The truth prevailed. ... It was never about race. It was about individuals and individuals' actions."

Outside the courtroom, the family's supporters chanted "Dan-O!  Dan-O!" and they honked their horns as they drove away. Several supporters had the teenager's nickname, "Dano Jr.," tattooed on their bodies.

The verdict came after a marathon 12-hour deliberation session during which jurors said they were deadlocked, as they briefly had the day before. The judge told them around 8:15 p.m. Saturday to keep deliberating, and notice of the verdict came about 45 minutes later. Jurors declined to comment.

White was arrested in August 2006 following the fatal shooting outside his home in Miller Place, a predominantly white community on eastern Long Island. His 19-year-old son, Aaron, had wakened him around 11 p.m. to tell him he had been feuding with other teenagers after being asked to leave a party and several of the teenagers were headed to the Whites' house for a confrontation.

John White—who testified that he grew up hearing stories from family members about how the Ku Klux Klan torched his grandfather's business in Alabama in the 1920s and feared a similar attack was about to happen—first grabbed a shotgun, then opted for a pistol he had hidden in the garage.

He and his son, who picked up the shotgun, went down the driveway to confront the teens in the street.

"He wanted to stop these people who said they were coming to kill his son," Brewington said in closing arguments.

He contended the weapon discharged accidentally when Cicciaro lunged for it.

Suffolk County Assistant District Attorney James Chalifoux said White should have simply locked the door and called police—and not gone outside to confront the teenagers with a gun.

He also sought to downplay the racial element, telling jurors the Brooklyn-raised White never said anything about a lynch mob until the case went to trial, and the prosecutor noted that the Klan attack on White's grandfather occurred 30 years before he was born.

He quoted White on the night he was arrested as telling police: "I did what I had to do. You might as well put the cuffs on now. This is the end of me."

After the verdict was read, Dan Cicciaro Sr. defended his son.

"Maybe now they'll stop slinging my son's name and stop accusing him of all this racism," he said.

The shooting happened shortly after Aaron White was asked to leave a beer bash at a friend's home after a female guest complained about a bogus MySpace posting claiming Aaron wanted to rape her.

Although White denied making the threat, he complied and left the party. Cicciaro and his friends subsequently called the teenager on his cell phone to continue the dispute, allegedly making threats that culminated when they arrived at the White home shortly after 11 p.m.

Some of the teenagers continued to hurl racial epithets once at the home, and the younger White conceded that he responded with profanity-laced responses of his own.

Cicciaro, who had a blood-alcohol reading above the legal limit for driving, was just 3 inches from the pistol when he was shot in the face, a medical examiner testified.


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Re: NY man shoots teen threatening his family
« Reply #37 on: December 25, 2007, 07:11:18 PM »
I agree with GB.  If all that was done was yelling from the street and no attempts were made to invade the home, then legallly he really has no ground to stand on.  It's as I said before tragic...    Many lives were dramatically altered that night because of a very rash decision.  I hope any skell that invades a persons home is shot dead on sight.  this type of scenario holds water with the law and would have a different outcome.  I hope the neighborhood can survive this as well ,  how many events are going to unfold in the future due to this unwarrented act?  Will revenge and vigilanteism be the call of the day?  How many years will it take for relative "normalness" to settle in this little spot on the map?   What it really comes down to is meeting a threat with proper defensive measures. (think eye for an eye) In this day and age you have to think beyond just pulling a trigger to solve your problems.  After reading the different replies this evening I can see where everyone is coming from.  We were all raised differently and in different places.  When I retired from the military my family thought that I would go into law enforcement....  Not!   from what I have witnessed Police officers are damned if they do and damned if they don't.  I just wouldn't want to subject myself to that kind of judgement.  We all are biased from our life experiences and I try to take all these varied opinions for what they are- opinions.  I have mine and ya'll have yours thats what makes this country we live in GREAT. The laws are written in an attempt to give humans a guideline for accepted behavior.  The laws are not perfect and the people who enforce them are not either. People are imperfect and we make mistakes      everyday.  So far in my travels I have not found a better place to live and raise my family so, I will continue to love this place that is our home and do my best to do the right thing.  Maybe if more people just stuck to the original 10 "laws" alot heartache would be avoided.  None of us were there, none of us can change what happened, none of us would trades places with anyone involved in this terrible situation.  All the finger pointing and speculation in the world will not bring that young man back to life or restore the destroyed family.

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Re: NY man shoots teen threatening his family
« Reply #38 on: December 26, 2007, 01:59:15 AM »
  I tend to agree with GB and Rockbilly....the homeowner should have gotten onto the phone (911) as the old man in Pasadena, TX did, then hunker down just inside his door and nail the first one through the door if they kept up their aggression.
   The castle doctrine won't help here, remember I said NY is not a "castle" state..it is a "blue" state, and the lawmakers have made it mandatory that we retreat as far as possible..front door..to kitchen..to bathroom..etc , before finally shooting a crook.
     Where I live, in rural western NY, local sheriffs and local juries may take a more understanding position about defense of one's home..but down in Suffolk co ...that is on Long Island, 
    is bright royal blue..and just that  liberal.
   
    This guy must have an exceptional job to be anywhere near the NY City corner and legally possess a handgun..I saw no mention as to the legality of the weapon.

   Normally, in the "bluest" bastions of Liberalism his goose would be cooked..but since it is such a liberal area, the lawyers may well be successful in "playing the race card".

   Of course, race should have nothing to do with deciding this case.. but don't bet against it's working ! 
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Re: NY man shoots teen threatening his family
« Reply #39 on: December 26, 2007, 02:36:15 AM »
Dee , I agree ! if you open your mouth and spout threats to some one and you are taken at your word , what ever you get you asked for !
Graybeard , sorry i must disagree with the jury following court instruction , the jury is under no obligation to follow instruction by the judge . And in fact have a right to return any verdict they feel just . It wasn't until recently that judges started giving instruction !
The fact is that after all government has run its course "we the people " still have a say ! Its a shame we don't use it !
If a jury doesn't like a law then find not guilty ! If no one is convicted then the law will be un-enforceable and go away !
WE SHOULD TRY IT SOME TIME !
the laws of NY  are what they are because the people are what they are ! same with TEXAS !
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Re: NY man shoots teen threatening his family
« Reply #40 on: December 26, 2007, 03:03:25 AM »
could he have had a hand gun ? would he have been allowed to have one if not then his rights were violated ? the case in WASHINGTON may change alot of BS laws !
what i really don't understand is why people want to protect a bunch of gangs and criminals ? whats up ?
Why can't people up north teach their kids if they don't want to get shot then don't act like a target ! sorry i mean criminal !
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Re: NY man shoots teen threatening his family
« Reply #41 on: December 26, 2007, 04:10:52 AM »
So I guess everyone above the Mason Dixon Line is a parent who don't know how to raise thier kids?  This isn't Korea, we the United States of America not the North United States and South United States.  Aren't Louiseana and Mississippi in the Southern part of the U.S.?  It seems that there were police takeing weapons from good citizens down there right after Katrina.  I woulda figured that those Southern Police officers would have let the locals just whack everyone that was near thier homes.  Maybe Mr. White should have used a scoped rifle and then he would't have got blood on himself and he wouldn't be in trouble. Maybe we should start a new nieghborhood watch program, we could drive around in our 4x4 trucks spittn dip and drinkin sweet tea, stereo would be playin Jones and we could just shoot everyone talkin trash.  I suspect the streets would be full of the dead or dying. Now we would get mad because the city won't pick up the bodies quick enough.  Or we could gather up all the corpes and grind em into sausage and sell it to the carpetbaggers that dare venture into our perfect South.

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Re: NY man shoots teen threatening his family
« Reply #42 on: December 26, 2007, 04:17:29 AM »
well first , no one said shoot loud mouths in the streets just the ones coming to the door with death threats !
second yep we have trouble in the no so perfect south but we did get it straight now didn't we !
third with regard to teaching your children , if the shoe fits wear it ! not all northern children are loud mouth gang members , ARE THEY ?
fourth you would be surprised how many northern police officers come south ( a friend of mine is a recruiter ) !
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Re: NY man shoots teen threatening his family
« Reply #43 on: December 26, 2007, 04:22:53 AM »
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Graybeard , sorry i must disagree with the jury following court instruction , the jury is under no obligation to follow instruction by the judge . And in fact have a right to return any verdict they feel just . It wasn't until recently that judges started giving instruction !

So what is it you are disagreeing with me about?  :o That's the SAME position I took.  ???

I don't guess I understand where you are coming from with those remarks frogjake. It would seem you failed to read or to comprehend what I said. My ONLY comment regarding the Mason-Dixon was that south of it Juries still retain the right to make the final decision in all matters and not the judge. I do not know if it is or is not that way north of the line but it sure should be.

I'm not defending the man who shot the guy. If the facts are as the newspaper report says he was totally wrong in what he did. Had it been inside his house then I'd support him 100% but not out on the street.

That the gun was unregistered therefore technically illegal in NYC is immaterial to me as I feel the laws there are a gross violation of the US Constitution and should be over turned.


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« Reply #44 on: December 26, 2007, 04:44:52 AM »
sorry misunderstood your post !
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« Reply #45 on: December 26, 2007, 04:49:03 AM »
A verbal threat does not constitute a deadly response!  Trash talking has been going on forever, and most folks of prudent judgment take it for what it is, trash talk!

What really amazes me, and I do not mean to sound racial, but every time a black person does something of this nature, every black in the community gets behind them and swears they are being treated unfairly because of their color.  Based on what I have read, I think this is the case here.  The loudest voices shouting "Innocent" are coming from the black community.

Regardless of color, I would applaud the person for taking such action against a real and present threat, clearly this is not the case here.  When White exited his house to confront the "mob" he overextended his right to self protection.  In addition, he and the son were  totally foolish to leave the protection of his home to confront the group even if they were armed.  If members of the "mob" had been armed both may be dead today as well as several others of the "mob".

Bottom line.  No shots should have been fired until an attempt was made to breech the security of the home.  In my opinion,  justice was served, white acted in a totally irresponsible manner and should face the music.

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« Reply #46 on: December 26, 2007, 05:07:13 AM »
So rockbilly, if a man says he is going to kill you or a member of your family, that is just trash talk, even if he tells you over the phone, and then shows up at you house? ???
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« Reply #47 on: December 26, 2007, 05:18:45 AM »
GB my last response was in no way directed toward you.  It was a very very sarcastic reply to some of those posting that feel that ALL is right in the South and ALL is wrong in the North.  I agree with your points of view, I apologise if I didn't direct it more clearly.

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Re: NY man shoots teen threatening his family
« Reply #48 on: December 26, 2007, 05:20:52 AM »
Sadly all is not right anywhere in our country these days and it seems each day it's getting worse not better.


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« Reply #49 on: December 26, 2007, 05:32:03 AM »
Again I agree with you.  I have stated since my first posting that this was a terrible situation.  I know that stuff like this happens all over our country, I think this one is getting more attention due to race and its in hillary turf.  I would expect adults to make sound decisions so that stuff life this won't continue. 

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« Reply #50 on: December 26, 2007, 08:13:35 AM »
frogjake , if you read some law is different in the north , just a fact not a cut to those forced to endure it ! but if you like the laws enjoy where you live .

as far as self protection , one a threat has to be present ie; someone voicing they are going to kill someone or pointing a gun etc. , second a means of perfecting the threat ie; gun or in this case the overwhelming force of more or bigger people ( yep 2 on 1 can be deadly force ) and third action ie; an attempt to kill .
its pretty simple !
so if the gang advanced on the guy it could be self defense ! now if the law in the north does not allow the guy to go out side to talk first or to ask them to leave oh well !

as far as someone spouting off at the mouth no matter their skin color if the other factors ( means and attempt to perfect ) are not present then there is no threat to life or limb very different !

for the record in my state the very least the guy would be charged with is man slaughter if he engaged in an argument before the shooting as he had added to the conflict !
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« Reply #51 on: December 26, 2007, 09:46:30 AM »
Shootall, I will also apologise to you and others that didn't quite get what I was trying to say ( I have a sarcastic nature)  I don't think you can say the ENTIRE SOUTH has laws that would make it OK for you to shoot someone in your front yard for yelling threats especilally when you go out and advance the situation by bringing a gun.  You cannot also say the ENTIRE NORTHERN region of our country has laws that are so restrictive you can't defend your family.  If you read the entirely of my postings you will understand that I live in the South even though I didn't come right out and say it.  I would't live anywhere else.  However, when I read some of these postings it sounds like ya'll are just lying in wait to shoot someone.  I am just stating what I think and that is I don't believe Mr. White should have stepped out of his house.  He got a phone call that said they were coming (call the Police) they showed up in front of your house yelling (call the Police) Keep your son from yellling like an idiot outthe window, stay in the house hit the panic button on the house alarm(upscale neighborhood) call 911 stay on the line let unruly crowd outside know your armed and afraid to defend your family and home. make sure the 911 operator hears all you say,  then when and if the crowd tries to get in the door or window let em have it.  I certainly would not leave my shotgun take a pistol,  walk across my lawn then get close enough to an angry group of young men where I get into a scuffle and kill someone in the process.  Everything Mr. White did had good intentions but was carried out in a state of ignorance.  I doubt he has ever thought out a plan for such an event (like most of us at this site do) I doubt he researched his legal rights for a situation such as this.  I believe that if someone is being threahtened from my front yard by a group of pissed off guys half my age- that it would be smart for me to go out ALONE with a pistol for crowd control.  That is what Mr. White did......... like Mrs. Gump says "stupid is as stupid does" 

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Re: NY man shoots teen threatening his family
« Reply #52 on: December 26, 2007, 12:20:30 PM »
 
   Shootall;

   Perhaps I didn't make it clear..there is nothing preventing someone going outdoors and asking people to leave. If one goes out with a weapon and asks someone to leave
  and being drunk..they still don't go and very slowly, casually surround you..then what do you do ? Do you shoot someone or just back down, work your way back through the crowd and take your shotgun back inside.
 
    Can we kill someone for casually milling around us ?
   
     The point I'm making is one of unplanned escalation..sometimes things escalate further than we wish they had; when we sit in our kitchen (or the local jail) a couple hours later.
 
   Once fired, all the king's horses and men can't put that bullet back in the barrel again.

  My suggestion about waiting just inside the door is "drawing a line in the sand"..a line that stands better a chance of being defensible in a court of law....
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« Reply #53 on: December 26, 2007, 01:01:20 PM »
Dee, I think we have beat several horses here, and agreed on the outcome.  While I have no problem what so every with protecting ones self, or their family if THEY ARE IN INTIMATE DANGER, I do have a problem with over reacting to a verbal threat.  At some point most all of us have uttered words that may have led to us being shot when in actuality they were uttered as a means of venting steam.

I would be the first to drop the hammer on an intruder to my home, with or without the threats, but I would never leave the security of my adobe to confront an individual that was TALKING.  First I would pursue the issue through law enforcement, and my attorney.  If that did not correct the situation I would be prepared to meet any aggression with vengeance.

As a former LEO I am sure you have heard thousands of people vent steam and say things they really did not mean, and often regretted afterward, I still maintain, to produce a firearm and start shooting upon hearing a verbal threat is totally irresponsible, and am sure this could have likely been handled in a more civilized manner.  

Partner, if they are trying to get into your house to do you and your family harm I will be first in line to assist you if needed, but if leave the safety of the house to confront a person talking trash I will be the first to call you a fool.  

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Re: NY man shoots teen threatening his family
« Reply #54 on: December 26, 2007, 02:49:15 PM »
Too be honest about threats they are what one makes of it/them.
If most make threats on my life I might just grin and shrug it off---NOW, if my wife makes this threat you can bet I am going to take her seriously-- ;).
In all seriousness a threat has too be taken by the receiver as he/she feels it to be offered. The sender has made a statement and IF it is taken as an honest threat--in Texas--well, there could be paperwork too be done. IF it is taken as idle drunk talk and not taken seriously, trying too brush it off, and the perp then springs into action--it may be too late to take defense.
My general rule is that the one speaking is speaking the truth about his/her intentions--and I do not intend too get caught on my blind side.
If you wish too give ground, then, give ground---it is hard too retake ground given up.
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Re: NY man shoots teen threatening his family
« Reply #55 on: December 26, 2007, 04:43:42 PM »
If someone showed up at my house with three or four buddies making threats on my family's lives I'ld be stupid not to take it seriously.  Also, my property starts at the curb not at my bedroom closet door. If I ask someone to leave my property they should take me seriously. 

Mistakes were made on both sides of this Long Island ordeal but who initiated the confrontation... the home owner or the group of guys who drove to his house and started making threats to members of his family?  It's easy to sit comfortable and secure at our computers and play would've-could've-should've.  Of course our thinking may not be so clear if there was a group of people outside our window shouting that they have come to kill someone in our household.

   
 
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Re: NY man shoots teen threatening his family
« Reply #56 on: December 26, 2007, 04:51:17 PM »
If someone showed up at my house with three or four buddies making threats on my family's lives I'ld be stupid not to take it seriously.  Also, my property starts at the curb not at my bedroom closet door. If I ask someone to leave my property they should take me seriously. 

Mistakes were made on both sides of this Long Island ordeal but who initiated the confrontation... the home owner or the group of guys who drove to his house and started making threats to members of his family?  It's easy to sit comfortable and secure at our computers and play would've-could've-should've.  Of course our thinking may not be so clear if there was a group of people outside our window shouting that they have come to kill someone in our household.

   
 

Brett, what you say here I too have said, but the arm chair quarterbacks are out in force SECOND GUESSING some one they do not know, about an incident they did not witness, and believing every thing they read. One must do what one feels is right, and as I said, I judge know one for defending his family, ESPECIALLY if I was not there, and I certainly have the good sense to not believe the most liberal reporters in the country.
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« Reply #57 on: December 26, 2007, 08:11:25 PM »
Talk about "A tale of two cities".  Right now even as I type this, I have no law enforcement response until 10:00 AM. I can call 911 all I want, even if Joe Bob is kicking the door in, they MIGHT call a Deputy out from home, IF he is not on Christmas vacation. He likely will be coming from an hour away, and I live 2 miles from the nearest town.  No State Police. No City Police.  No one is coming to help. 

They can be doing vandalism, stealing my truck, whatever, if I want it stopped I have to do it myself or ignore it.  Sheriff stopped police service at night due to "lack of funding" and only runs day shifts now.  This will change soon, but for me, it has been interesting talking to different Judges, other cops, and citizens about what their take is. The general consensus is someone will likely get into a questionable shooting and a grand jury won't indict; then press will go nuts when they find out the police were called but "sorry, no one is available until 10:00AM".

Guess that's why the 870 and the AK are here.  :)

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« Reply #58 on: December 27, 2007, 12:23:27 AM »
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Re: NY man shoots teen threatening his family
« Reply #59 on: December 27, 2007, 02:27:41 AM »
mr. white would have walked if i were on that jury.  yup, he made foollish mistakes.  but,  he didnt go out to someone elses home looking for it.  too bad mr. white didnt live in texas.