Author Topic: What would be next in this progression? (Read 2392 times)

RicMic · « **on:** December 23, 2007, 03:26:15 PM »

I have a 22 LR, 17 HMR, 223 REM, 25-06 REM and 280AI. I want to complete a North American battery. I'm thinking 338WM myself, maybe a 375 H&H. What would your choice be?

jasonprox700 · « **Reply #1 on:** December 23, 2007, 04:57:06 PM »

I'd go with the .338.

Nice to see a fellow .280 shooter!

Graybeard · « **Reply #2 on:** December 23, 2007, 06:37:55 PM »

That would NOT fit the progression you have going but instead would begin a totally new one. The next step would be the .35 Whelen or if you feel the need for another intermediary step the .30-06. Note your big game rounds are currently on the '06 case so to maintain the current progression so much the next steps be.

deltecs · « **Reply #3 on:** December 23, 2007, 06:52:42 PM »

If one based the battery on 06 length cases, the next would be the 30-06, then .338-06, .35 Whelen. After the Whelen one should probably think of using a different case for the basic cartridge. Maybe the new .357 Ruger. These would effectively overlap one another for the occasion where one needed a larger bore for the game encountered and still work wonders on smaller. If I were to reduce the quantity of bores needed for NA game, I'd go from .280 AI to the .338-06 and the .375 Ruger. The ballistics and power levels of the .280AI and 06 are so close as to almost be duplicates. The same with the .338-06 and Whelen. I'd go directly to the .35 Whelen if you dropped the .357 Ruger, 30-06, and .338-06. These rounds are effective on all NA game and would do for African plains game as well.

nomosendero · « **Reply #4 on:** December 24, 2007, 09:15:00 AM »

35 Whelen CDL

chazgin · « **Reply #5 on:** December 24, 2007, 05:42:51 PM »

just for grins the .577 T-Rex.

Mac11700 · « **Reply #6 on:** December 25, 2007, 11:30:29 AM »

Quote from: RicMic on December 23, 2007, 03:26:15 PM

I have a 22 LR, 17 HMR, 223 REM, 25-06 REM and 280AI. I want to complete a North American battery. I'm thinking 338WM myself, maybe a 375 H&H. What would your choice be?

Well...in all honesty...you skipped a couple...namely the 6.5 and the 270...and then you skip the 30cals and the 8mm's to land at the 338's...A 338 WM is a good choice..so is 330 Dakota or the 340 Weatherby...then you can skip the 9.3's and the 375's and head up to the 416 Remington Mag or the 416 Weatherby Magnum...then just add some quick handling lever guns to the mix and your all set...a 30-30...and a 45-70 would fit nicely...

Mac

jvs · « **Reply #7 on:** December 25, 2007, 12:33:38 PM »

Next would be 8mm or 8mm mag. I would pick the 8mm mag, then the Whelen.

You can omit the .30's by default, to the detriment of your wallet.

jro45 · « **Reply #8 on:** December 26, 2007, 12:54:35 AM »

After the 25/06 would come the 257 WBY. Even tho they both shoot the same bullet.

NONYA · « **Reply #9 on:** December 26, 2007, 02:14:09 AM »

8mm RM

rickt300 · « **Reply #10 on:** December 26, 2007, 05:23:32 AM »

Since you already have the 280AI then a 35 Whelen would bw my choice, othewise I WOULD GO 7MM Remington magnum (belted).

kyelkhunter3006 · « **Reply #11 on:** December 26, 2007, 10:51:37 AM »

There isn't anything the Rem 7 Mag can do that the 280AI can't. I say the 35 Whelen is the next logical step for BIG game in North America.

RicMic · « **Reply #12 on:** December 26, 2007, 01:55:20 PM »

I will be looking closely at the 338-06 and 35 Whelen. Most say these two are peas in a pod.

NONYA · « **Reply #13 on:** December 26, 2007, 03:40:25 PM »

As long as you never need to pick up ammo off the shelf they would be options.

deltecs · « **Reply #14 on:** December 26, 2007, 03:54:38 PM »

Quote from: NONYA on December 26, 2007, 03:40:25 PM

As long as you never need to pick up ammo off the shelf they would be options.

The 35 Whelen is available in every gun shop that sells ammo that I've been inside in Alaska. Admittedly the .338-06 is a bit more elusive. However, when hunting I've never forgotten my rifle or ammo either. Buy the ammo cases and reload, or buy a good supply and carry it with you. The .338-06 is probably a bit better than the Whelen for average NA game as the 200 gr bullets have good sectional density and BC at plenty of velocity for the longer shots. The energy level of the .338-06 is equivalent to the 300 WSM using 200 grain bullets, so any argument that the .300 WSM is plenty applies also to the .338-06 at normal hunting ranges. And in heavier bullets on game the .338-06 far surpasses the .300 WSM. The .338-06 is almost a ballistic duplicate for the venerable
.333 rimless nitro of African game hunters with an impeccable reputation. Also, most .35 rifle bores are made with 1/12" rifling that doesn't stabilize the heavier bullets available in this bore; above 250 gr. Most 338-06 bores are 1/10" rifling that stabilizes even 300 gr Woodleigh bullets.

rickt300 · « **Reply #15 on:** December 26, 2007, 05:19:58 PM »

Well there may be nothing you can't do with the 280AI that I can with a 7MM RM other than shoot a large variety of factory loads that are easily available I mostly meant that personally the belted 7 is fine with me but the 280AI would serve just fine also. As to needing bullets weighing over 250 grains I just don't see it for North America. If I could afford a Brown bear hunt I think I'd use it as an excuse to get a nice 375 H&H.

NONYA · « **Reply #16 on:** December 27, 2007, 01:07:47 AM »

35 whelen aint on our shelves

nomosendero · « **Reply #17 on:** December 27, 2007, 03:39:54 AM »

No doubt there is a lot more 35W on shelves than 8RM nationwide. But different areas have their own quirks.

victorcharlie · « **Reply #18 on:** December 27, 2007, 04:57:17 AM »

30.06

NONYA · « **Reply #19 on:** December 27, 2007, 06:06:09 AM »

Do any of the big names even produce a 35 w anymore?

kyelkhunter3006 · « **Reply #20 on:** December 27, 2007, 07:50:00 AM »

I think that Federal and Remington still load the Whelen. Honestly, if I got one, I'd get ammo from Conley Custom or Superior for hunting the bag and bad. Same with the 8mm too. I don't know anyone who chambers either in a factory rifle that's decently priced. Remington's custom shop is probably the best source rifles in both calibers unless you want a full-up custom rifle. As for the availability of factory loads, rickt300, you are absolutely right. I thought you meant he should have a .280AI and the 7 Mag.

Graybeard · « **Reply #21 on:** December 27, 2007, 08:03:46 AM »

Other than rimfire and shotshells I've not bought ammo off the shelf at a local store more than twice in the last ten or fifteen years. That would never be a consideration for me in buying a gun whether someone locally carried the ammo.

A phone call or if you are so inclined a visit to a website for online ordering will have any kinda ammo you want delivered right to your door cheaper than it could be bought locally anyway with no sales tax and no high priced gas used to drive to a store which in my case is a minimum of 20-25 miles away. I just don't see that as a consideration at all in what to buy. Get what you want ammo can be had very easily or you can reload it yourself.

NONYA · « **Reply #22 on:** December 27, 2007, 08:29:27 AM »

Many in fact most hunters do not reload and depend on their local SG or WM to purchase their ammo as needed,local ammo availability is a consideration for most hunters,believe it or not most of the hunters I know dont use a pc.

myronman3 · « **Reply #23 on:** December 27, 2007, 09:08:47 AM »

Quote from: NONYA on December 27, 2007, 08:29:27 AM

Many in fact most hunters do not reload and depend on their local SG or WM to purchase their ammo as needed,local ammo availability is a consideration for most hunters,believe it or not most of the hunters I know dont use a pc.

i believe that. know what i say? life is hard, it is harder when you are stupid! i prefer to buy locally, but fact is most local stores dont know half of what i do, let alone carry it. i always hear the same thing..."we can order it for you..." no kidding. i can order it for myself and do. it makes me wonder why i even bother at times. a guy should just go online and get what he needs and save the headache and the gas.

Graybeard · « **Reply #24 on:** December 27, 2007, 09:22:19 AM »

The sad truth is that they had it right in the movie Forest Gump. Stupid is as stupid does.

NONYA · « **Reply #25 on:** December 27, 2007, 03:14:00 PM »

Not everyone I know even owns a PC,there are still people in this world that dont need the internet to survive,then there are those that wouldnt survive without it,there are plenty of mail order outlets that dont require a pc to get what you need,shotgun news and cabelas keep most people in buisness

Don Fischer · « **Reply #26 on:** December 27, 2007, 04:48:47 PM »

Quote from: NONYA on December 27, 2007, 08:29:27 AM

Many in fact most hunters do not reload and depend on their local SG or WM to purchase their ammo as needed,local ammo availability is a consideration for most hunters,believe it or not most of the hunters I know dont use a pc.

I'm really missing something here. Why does off the shelf ammo matter tio the guy? He already shoots a 280AI. Bet Wal Mart doesn't sell a lot of that! Leads me to believe he either reloads or have someone doing it for him. My bet is he reloads.

nomosendero · « **Reply #27 on:** December 27, 2007, 05:06:39 PM »

Don, I would say you are correct.

Graybeard · « **Reply #28 on:** December 27, 2007, 06:20:58 PM »

Kinder my point. There are plenty of ways to get ammo besides running down to the local store for it.

drdougrx · « **Reply #29 on:** December 28, 2007, 03:05:48 AM »

I'm kinda confused on this progression thing. Is it a progression is caliber or terminal energy?

I guess, if I'm reading this right, it's energy, so I'd suggest a 300win which will give more TE than the 280 based on heavier bullets (180-220gr vs. 150-175gr). I'd skip the 338s because the TE is rather close (210gr-250gr) and move to the 375 for 260 - 300gr bullets.