I was with a friend hunting up north and hunting on His grandma land next to a power lane ,I don`t now how far apart the polls are put We were Young and We had Doe permits , about 2 and 1/2 polls down (now He is a very good shot) 170 Winchester slivertip and a old Winchester 94 first shot she never moved second shot straight down . After cleaning the first shot right threw the broiler room in one side out the other ,second shot He shot high and spin shot . Now almost 20yrs later We would never do this again but the 30 30 can do it .