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Re: Extractor to Ejector Conversion
« Reply #30 on: January 04, 2008, 10:41:47 AM »
MSP Ret Andy.
Just lets hope either Tim or Coyotejoe comes up with workable ejector that
is not too difficult to convert for handycraft guys.

If they work as well as mine do we got it made. Tim is using machine equipment for doing his that may stop anyone that has no machinery.

Perhaps when Remington takes over H&R they may be receptive to the option
or have them redesign an ejector that will also dislodge a stuck case.

The present extractor is a piece of crap and so is that soft underlug.
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Re: Extractor to Ejector Conversion
« Reply #31 on: January 04, 2008, 12:32:53 PM »
Nope, just a shadetree wantabe gunsmith/tinkerer!! ;D

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Re: Extractor to Ejector Conversion
« Reply #32 on: January 04, 2008, 12:48:49 PM »
I think you nailed it Bill!! ;D

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Re: Extractor to Ejector Conversion
« Reply #33 on: January 04, 2008, 01:10:00 PM »

Nice going Tim...good on ya for going this...

Well...a lot of folks say the switch over was for all non-existent reasons...That's not entirely true...Granted...they got lawyered up about some fru-fru lawsuits...but...folks here seem to forget just how many bad chamber jobs H&R did before they were bought out by NEF......and what was on hand still got sold...There were tons of threads on the old forum about this...Granted...this was corrected in time...but I would bet there were a couple thousand barrels that had mis-cut chambers shipped out..This was a daily discussion on H&R Talk at 1 time...It wouldn't take much re engineering to make it like the T/C's and CVA Elites for a better stronger system...that would eliminate the complaints about not extracting it far enough..Hopefully Remington will devote some research into this when they have completed the acquisition of the company...

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Re: Extractor to Ejector Conversion
« Reply #34 on: January 04, 2008, 02:05:16 PM »
If anyone will examine a Rossi they will find they have a much better solution to the ejector problem.  Their ejector functions just like a NEF ejector with the exception that, if the ejector fails to eject, further opening of the action mechanically forces the ejector rearward ejecting the stuck case.  I once had a Rossi .243 that worked this way, and hot loads would stick the cases all the time.  It never failed to eject them when it hit the mechanical eject function.  Guess they must have some lock on the design, but it is very very good.  Larry
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Re: Extractor to Ejector Conversion
« Reply #35 on: January 05, 2008, 12:22:40 AM »
If anyone will examine a Rossi they will find they have a much better solution to the ejector problem.  Their ejector functions just like a NEF ejector with the exception that, if the ejector fails to eject, further opening of the action mechanically forces the ejector rearward ejecting the stuck case.  I once had a Rossi .243 that worked this way, and hot loads would stick the cases all the time.  It never failed to eject them when it hit the mechanical eject function.  Guess they must have some lock on the design, but it is very very good.  Larry
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Re: Extractor to Ejector Conversion
« Reply #36 on: January 05, 2008, 04:23:09 AM »



If you want a SS rifle with with a good ejection/extraction the
Ruger #1 is very affordable.  Myself I
would not go through all the trouble doing it I rather buy a proven trouble free
Ruger #1system.


The #1 is a nice rifle, dont care for their barrels though considering the price range. Its about 300 % more money than a Handi,  can't really compare the two.  It would be like comparing the Ruger to a $3200.00 rifle thats 300% more cost than it.




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Re: Extractor to Ejector Conversion
« Reply #37 on: January 05, 2008, 04:33:31 AM »
Fred M, The Savage ejector system is housed in the underlug just like an H&R. I believe the Savage ejector would cost less to produce than would the H&R. The main difference is that the H&R ejector catch is pivoted at its rear (breech end) while the Savage catch pivots at the front end (toward the muzzle). The ejector catch has a horizontal leg which bends out to the left to catch a shelf in the receiver casting and a vertical leg which sticks up into the ejector boring. The ejector spring is captive between the extractor and that vertical leg of the catch. Thus the one spring powers both the ejector and its catch. As the gun is broken open, the breech rises to a point where the horizontal leg of the catch engages the shelf of the receiver to unlatch the ejector and at that point it works just like an H&R ejector. However, if the case is stuck or if the factory spring has been replaced with a lighter one, farther opening of the gun will cause that vertical leg of the catch to pivot rearward enough to force extraction, where-after, even a very light spring will carry the extractor on to the limit of its travel.
  When modifying the H&R I do a very similar thing. I make a new catch which pivots at the front end with a vertical leg sticking up into the ejector boring. It requires a bit of dremel work to open up the cut for the catch and extend it a bit more forward, that is the only modification required on the lug. That, along with building a new catch. I make the new catch out of spring stock and harden and temper it for strength.
 As Trotterlg describes the Rossi ejector it sounds very similar and those guns are even cheaper than H&R. Since Savage has used that design for a hundred years, I doubt that any patents would still be viable.
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Re: Extractor to Ejector Conversion
« Reply #38 on: January 05, 2008, 04:35:53 AM »
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  Cheaply built and poorly designed are two different things. Yes handis are built cheap to sell cheap but that does not mean they have to be poorly designed. A rifle which requires a highly polished chamber, fully resized cases and reduced loads just to accomodate the ejector is a poor design. Not all gun owners are gunsmiths and the basic idea of the handi rifle is a rough and tumble sort of gun which should function in all enviornments with little care and maintenance. That it mostly does but for the ejector and that is why NEF went to extractors, but they still didn't get the design right, the new extractor has not enough travel to make reloading easy, especially with gloves. In a rifle that is cheaply built, good design is all the more important.

"Cheaply built and poorly designed are two different things"..................words of wisdom IMO.

 One note:  I would estimate that part of the reason that Handis/Pardners are of good value / costs is because of the standardized interchangeablee manufacturing process along with things like a less refined / milled stock...........rather than just "built cheap".  Lot of things add up to more costs in manufacturing.  Then of course there is advertising/marketing something Ruger likely does more than any other out there............certainly adds into the costs.



 

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Re: Extractor to Ejector or Ejector to Extractor Conversion
« Reply #39 on: January 18, 2008, 02:02:15 PM »
Ok fellas, the ejector to extractor conversion is done, see my original post for the update. ;)

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