Author Topic: 17M2 is it done? (Read 1497 times)

John020769 · « **on:** January 03, 2008, 01:28:38 AM »

Because of heath had to sell most of my guns to pay bills . Now that it is almost tax time I have some extra funds wanted a 17M2 as the 17HMR was great but little hard if I was having bad day and hit to far back on small game .The ? is I having hard time finding ammo the local gun shops have the gun but won`t order the ammo ,I have 2 boxes of the hornday first run ammo don`t want to buy gun I can`t hunt with when I out of ammo ................John

MSP Ret · « **Reply #1 on:** January 03, 2008, 04:26:30 AM »

Get a better shop or order the ammo online, I just shot mine a couple of days ago and I agree, they are fun and VERY accurate. I shot both 17 grain Mach2 ammo (1/4" to 1/2" max groups at 50 yards) and some 20 grain .17 Aquiila ammo (1" groups but hope to get better) at 50 yards. I bought the 20 grain .17 Aquila to try on small varmints, with the heavier bullet and slightly slower speed it is reported to be more effective on Varmints. It prints about 1" higher at 50 yards....<><,....

STUMPJMPR · « **Reply #2 on:** January 03, 2008, 04:35:59 AM »

MSP, correct me if i'm wrong but the 17 aguilla is a different cartridge based on the 22rf....However, while writing this post i did find that the 17aguilla will work in the m2 chamber with no ill results....check out the link below....
http://www.jesseshunting.com/articles/guns/category16/41.html

PHATINJUN · « **Reply #3 on:** January 03, 2008, 04:50:50 AM »

There ya go the only problem I see is I wish now that I had not gotten ride of the 2nd bbl I had.I still got about 2k left of that first run ammo but am trying to find a good deal on another 5000 before the greedy ammo makers gouge us any more on ammo prices. You can't beat the accuracy or the fun of this little rimfire round it ain't going nowhere soon. Kurt

quickdtoo · « **Reply #4 on:** January 03, 2008, 05:12:15 AM »

Midsouth has a decent price on Hornady hmr ammo, was even better recently at $8.86 IIRC and they had $6 shipping, but ya missed out on that deal.

http://www.midsouthshooterssupply.com/department.asp?dept=%41%4D%4D%55%4E%49%54%49%4F%4E&dept2=%52%49%4D%46%49%52%45&dept3=%31%37%20%43%41%4C

It would behoove you to browse the ammo forums at RFC, there are some real good prices on bulk ammo at a couple sources, and any time there's a sale, someone posts about it.

http://www.rimfirecentral.com/forums/index.php

Tim

bscman · « **Reply #5 on:** January 03, 2008, 08:42:49 AM »

Some of the guys on RFC are saying theres a source or two out there for $4.00 a box. I don't own an HM2, so I didn't investigate further...but I don't doubt it.
Better hurry and order, though...or you'll find out what the "Rimfire Central Effect" is...(once word gets out, those guys buy up stuff FAST).

I've found ordering online for my HMR only saves $$$ over local if I buy more than about 300 rounds...so be prepared to buy at least half a brick.

SHOOTALL · « **Reply #6 on:** January 03, 2008, 09:12:04 AM »

can someone explain the advantage to the smaller cart. not looking for a fight , i looked at both and the small difference between the two didn't justify the cost of having both !
i would rather have 2 rifles that fired the same ammo unless the difference was more .

quickdtoo · « **Reply #7 on:** January 03, 2008, 09:28:02 AM »

In a nutshell, the M2 is more economical to shoot than the hmr at $4-$6 a box, compared to $9-$12 for the hmr, but it's also less destructive on small game, just as flat shooting and accurate, but more limited in range, velocity is about 500fps slower and they use the same bullets.

Tim

SHOOTALL · « **Reply #8 on:** January 03, 2008, 09:50:33 AM »

you have alot more experience with the smaller round than I but the time i checked it was around 300 fps. . That was when it first hit the market so i guess alot of things have changed . shame on you now its looking interesting !
i have not had to buy 17hmr for over 2 years , it was hard to get so when i had the chance i got 3 cases . $8.00 a box then , sounds like I'm in for sticker shock ! no i don't shoot that much but i got these 2 boys and as long as they are hunting and shooting they ain't likely to get in trouble ! so its money well spent !
thanks for the reply !

quickdtoo · « **Reply #9 on:** January 03, 2008, 10:03:17 AM »

You can absorb all you want on the 17hmr and 17M2 at Varmint Al's 17hmr page, he as lots of data on the hmr and quite a bit on the M2, including velocities.

Tim

http://www.varmintal.com/17hmr.htm

MSP Ret · « **Reply #10 on:** January 03, 2008, 10:13:52 AM »

Thanks for the link STUMPJMPR, I saw that article a while ago and it is what got me to buy a brick of the .17 Aquilas and shoot them out of my Sporster in .17 Mach2, and I am happy I did. The heavier slower 20 grain bullets out of the Aquila case really hit hard for what they are....<><....

bscman · « **Reply #11 on:** January 03, 2008, 11:56:03 AM »

Well, the HMR came out first...so it got all the rave reviews, and everyone rushed out to buy one.

Fast forward a bit, THEN the HM2 came out. It doesn't get as much press (or as much of a following) because of the already strong popularity of the HMR...what's so cool about a weaker round? It took a while for the HM2 to get noticed.

Bottom line...the HM2 is about 2/5 the price if you look around, so you'll save a lot if you shoot often.
It's still a little laser out to 100yds, is still capable of sub MOA at this distance, and is a BETTER choice for squirrel hunters. So for less money, you get very similar performance at typical rimfire distances.

If you don't plan to reach out past 100yds, or shoot anything larger than large bunnies and feral cats it's pretty hard to justify the added expense of the HMR--it just doesn't offer enough of an advantage at closer distances.
Personally...I choose the HMR. It's still relatively inexpensive to shoot and I like the extra velocity/distance for those longers shots--which is the only reason I even have the 17. I still prefer 22's for hunting.

The biggest problem with the mach2...
In my area, you can find ammo everywhere for the HMR...but coming across HM2 is quite a bit more difficult--and when you do find it, it's usually just one brand and only a handful of boxes.....meanwhile, the HMR shelves are over-flowing with a large quantity of brands and boxes.

I think it'll stick around a while as more and more 22lr shooters will move to the 17's.
17 rimfire ammo is of great quality--and the HM2 stuff is really not much more expensive than QUALITY 22lr ammo....
HM2 is a GREAT squirrel round!

PHATINJUN · « **Reply #12 on:** January 03, 2008, 12:02:37 PM »

Shootall some guys are paying what you paid for HMR $8 for M2 now. I gave $5 a box for the M2 when I bought last and that included shipping wish I had not sold half of that now. Thanks for all the good info guys .Looks like I need to buy now before it jumps again or all the deals are bought up. Kurt

quickdtoo · « **Reply #13 on:** January 03, 2008, 12:28:47 PM »

Quote from: MSP Ret on January 03, 2008, 10:13:52 AM

Thanks for the link STUMPJMPR, I saw that article a while ago and it is what got me to buy a brick of the .17 Aquilas and shoot them out of my Sporster in .17 Mach2, and I am happy I did. The heavier slower 20 grain bullets out of the Aquila case really hit hard for what they are....<><....

Andy, I first posted the link to the 17 Aguila articles 3yrs ago, that's likely where ya got the notion.

I've not seen the ammo locally, so I've never tried it, glad someone got some good out of it!!

Tim

http://www.gboreloaded.com/forums/index.php/topic,50207.msg294339.html#msg294339

MSP Ret · « **Reply #14 on:** January 03, 2008, 03:29:29 PM »

Thnaks Tim, I bought a brick of the 20 grain .17 Aquila on sale to try that the guys over at RFC were talking about, and it works great. I will have to get another brick if and when I see it on sale again, if I recall correcly it was just under $4.00 per box of 50, about $3.65 perhaps?....<>,....

Slowhanddd · « **Reply #15 on:** January 03, 2008, 04:26:04 PM »

http://www.natchezss.com/ammo.cfm?contentID=productDetail&ammoGroup=4&brand=RT&prodID=RT21164
Here's some Remy for $3.59 a box if you buy it by the brick.Don't know about the shipping didn't check that part.I buy Eley at the gun shows here.The last I bought was $35 a brick.Bought a case of it.Slow

MSP Ret · « **Reply #16 on:** January 05, 2008, 03:03:21 AM »

Anyone here have any experience with that Remington .17 Mach2 ammo out of their H&R/NEF Sportster? I am interested in target shooting accuracy at 50 and 100 yards...thanks. I would be interested in some input before I start the convoluted process to obtain a brick, especially since I live in Mass and ammo sales by mail or common carrier are banned here in this liberal pit. I have to go through a lot of steps and commit what "they" class as a criminal act to get ammo for target shooting or hunting other than buying it from the local dealer. "They" (the state) make you feel like a criminal if you enjoy and partake in the shooting sports. However the real criminals don't obey the law anyway (hence the name "criminals", i.e., they commit crimes), so they just do what they want without regard to law. A word of advice from experience to all here, keep liberals and democrats out of positions of power in government or eventually they will take all our guns and ammo away from us, one small step at a time. I cannot even order plain round lead ML balls through the mail in this liberal state....<><....

OK, guys, I'm back, went downstairs, had breakfast and a cup of coffee and calmed down a bit, sorry about venting and letting my true feelings out. I just really need to know if anyone here has shot the Remington .17 Mach2 ammo out of a Sportster and what they got for accuracy?...Thanks, I still may not be completely free to buy and posses arms and ammunition in this liberal state but I feel a bit better after expressing the truth...

PHATINJUN · « **Reply #17 on:** January 05, 2008, 03:55:50 AM »

I would like to know if anyone has shot this stuffto.I can get 1000 rounds @ 4.23/box shipped from Natchez

quickdtoo · « **Reply #18 on:** January 05, 2008, 06:23:15 AM »

The Rem ammo shoots best of all that I've tried, but I haven't tried the Eley yet.

Tim

PHATINJUN · « **Reply #19 on:** January 05, 2008, 07:30:22 AM »

Tim say's. Then I'm in!!!! Way my luck goes is right after I order Hornady gives big sale on theirs it's gotta hurt them a little being $2 over Remington.Kurt

MSP Ret · « **Reply #20 on:** January 05, 2008, 08:36:28 AM »

Thanks Tim, now I start the process to acquire them....<><....

MI.sabot · « **Reply #21 on:** January 05, 2008, 12:38:27 PM »

17M2 is it done?

Maybe one step closer.
Besides the 16 ga Pardner and the Sidekick Muzzleloader, you can add the Sportster M2 to the list of firearms no longer appearing in the H&R 2008 catalog!

quickdtoo · « **Reply #22 on:** January 05, 2008, 01:09:36 PM »

Apparently the M2 is poor seller in a Sportster, unfortunately the 17M2 isn't on the accessory list either so that's real sad, along with the Versa Pack, history.

Tim

PHATINJUN · « **Reply #23 on:** January 05, 2008, 08:13:58 PM »

They probably want to try and sell more of the Marlin 917"s . Kurt