Author Topic: Opinions on the new '08 700 VTR (Varmint Tactical Rifle) (Read 15717 times)

sniperVLS · « **Reply #60 on:** February 24, 2008, 01:16:02 AM »

The VTR and SPS Varmint have the same pressure points do they not? Every review where the pressure points were removed on the SPS-V, accuracy improved 30 to 40%, and that's saying a lot considering they already shot .5 to 7" groups with heavy triggers and off the shelf ammo. I have no doubt that because of it's design, the VTR will see the same results. With that crazy sniping bastard NONYA behind the trigger, his foam filled VTR will hit eggs at 500 yards with ease

Helps he has a nice scope(did I mention I love this Elite?!

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The ONLY model I dealt with that actually suffered after removing the pressure point upfront was the 700 VLS. Out of 3 that I tinkered with, 2 of the 3 suffered when free floating the barrel, the other stayed the same, NONE of them improved.

NONYA · « **Reply #61 on:** February 24, 2008, 07:35:42 AM »

With that crazy sniping bastard NONYA behind the trigger, his foam filled VTR will hit eggs at 500 yards with ease Helps he has a nice scope(did I mention I love this Elite?!

Wait till i can load up some Bergers....eggss?Thats pushin it,if i can hit a 6 inch gong at 500 Ill be friggen stoked,no doubt the rifle can do it with handloads.Im all out of excuses now,I know this rifle can make these long range shots with handloads so Ill have to suck it up and take credit for my misses instead of blaming it on my POS Remingtons.....

sniperVLS · « **Reply #62 on:** February 24, 2008, 11:07:17 AM »

Quote from: NONYA on February 24, 2008, 07:35:42 AM

Wait till i can load up some Bergers....eggss?Thats pushin it,if i can hit a 6 inch gong at 500 Ill be friggen stoked,no doubt the rifle can do it with handloads.Im all out of excuses now,I know this rifle can make these long range shots with handloads so Ill have to suck it up and take credit for my misses instead of blaming it on my POS Remingtons.....

NONYA · « **Reply #63 on:** February 28, 2008, 11:54:31 AM »

Extended mag...INSTALLED.It holds 7 rounds without over binding the spring,i loaded and cycle it several times without any jams,ect,Ill see how it performs under fire ASAP.

sniperVLS · « **Reply #64 on:** February 28, 2008, 01:52:51 PM »

Excellent! How much was the one you got and from where? I'm headed out the door and don't have time to look thru the other threads to see model and price and such. I'd like to get what you have for my other rifles asap! Have a good one!

NONYA · « **Reply #65 on:** February 28, 2008, 01:54:52 PM »

http://www.midwayusa.com/eproductpage.exe/showproduct?saleitemid=818519&t=11082005
they have em for long actions also.

30-06man · « **Reply #66 on:** March 01, 2008, 02:57:45 PM »

Wow. You guys have gotten me wanting one more than ever. Looks like Big Green has hit the nail on the head this time!!!

35w · « **Reply #67 on:** March 08, 2008, 03:56:06 PM »

How much louder is the report or blast with the brake on a .308?
With the brake, is muzzle lift reduced?

I saw the VTR today, great looking rifle and nice weight for targets or deer hunting

jpbar · « **Reply #68 on:** March 11, 2008, 12:50:07 PM »

Quote from: NONYA on February 28, 2008, 11:54:31 AM

Extended mag...INSTALLED.It holds 7 rounds without over binding the spring,i loaded and cycle it several times without any jams,ect,Ill see how it performs under fire ASAP.

thats sweet!! you should be taking pictures for remington because there site pictures for this gun are ugly as sin!.
i personnally think the sps-V is perfect it shoots awesome groups.(i haven't tampered) and i though the varmite was to heavy when i first got it but when i shoulder it the wieght is just right and it stays steady. ( " i just found out it has a 22" barrel" ) i dont like the sounds of that

DalesCarpentry · « **Reply #69 on:** March 11, 2008, 01:12:09 PM »

I wonder is a gunsmith could cut that type of break into a SPS Varmint? Dale

corbanzo · « **Reply #70 on:** March 11, 2008, 03:23:04 PM »

Depends on the smith... but if they have the right tooling, they can do pretty much anything. It's just metal.

ollie111 · « **Reply #71 on:** March 18, 2008, 12:08:14 PM »

What loads are people using with the VTR? Bullet weight? Powder?

charles p · « **Reply #72 on:** March 19, 2008, 05:48:58 AM »

Is the VTR a varmint rifle or a tactical rifle? The two terms do not seem to go together to me. I certainly do acknowledge the infatuation with everything "tactical" these days.

DalesCarpentry · « **Reply #73 on:** March 19, 2008, 09:50:09 AM »

VTR stands for Varmint Tactical Rifle. Your guess is as good as mine. Dale

NONYA · « **Reply #74 on:** March 19, 2008, 06:35:14 PM »

.223 .204 = VARMINT .308 = TACTICAL

charles p · « **Reply #75 on:** March 20, 2008, 03:53:48 PM »

I asked the same question on another post. Is the VTR a varmint rifle or a tactical rifle? One is used to shoot 2lb animals and the other to shoot 200 lb humans. It doesn't seem logical to me that the same caliber/rifle can fit both needs.

Anything "tactical" seems to sell these days. I mean there are tactical flashlights, gloves, shoes, etc. Is there an infatuation with "shooting at people"? Is the "tactical" game now the new Wild West of my youth. Has the Lone Ranger turned "tactical"? What is the appeal with tactical stuff? Does the American public now dream of hunting other people?

NONYA · « **Reply #76 on:** March 20, 2008, 04:10:04 PM »

Its built on the same frame as the TACTICAL mdl 700s,you know the ones used b SNIPERS,military and police?If you dont like the name dont buy it,it can and will be used as either application,whats so hard to understand?

sniperVLS · « **Reply #77 on:** March 21, 2008, 01:28:03 AM »

Quote from: charles p on March 20, 2008, 03:53:48 PM

I asked the same question on another post. Is the VTR a varmint rifle or a tactical rifle? One is used to shoot 2lb animals and the other to shoot 200 lb humans. It doesn't seem logical to me that the same caliber/rifle can fit both needs.

It's not logical that one caliber can't do it all? I shoot woodchuck with the same caliber I use for large game, .308win thank you. What does it matter how big the caliber is for varmints? Unless you're trying to keep fur or meat or something?? A varmint is just that, a varmint, does hitting them harder make it inhumane? I never understood why some frowned upon using large calibers for varmints(not saying you do).

I've seen .50s used on woodchuck, if I get that AR-50 you can bet I'll be using it to eliminate some varmints, tactical style

As for the whole tactical thing, I don't care what it's called, I just prefer heavy barreled rifles due to shooting from the bench a lot and it inherently reduces felt recoil so I can shoot hundreds of rounds a day without any fatigue whatsoever. If a 7lb gun could do that, I'd opt for that.

I don't see why this even came up, it's got a heavy barrel which is used for both Varmint and Tactical use. Who gives a crap what it's called and why it's called that? It kicks ass and that's all that matters. Don't drool 2 much looking at my all black, 700 Police tactical death dealer

nomosendero · « **Reply #78 on:** March 22, 2008, 08:18:13 AM »

Quote from: charles p on March 20, 2008, 03:53:48 PM

I asked the same question on another post. Is the VTR a varmint rifle or a tactical rifle? One is used to shoot 2lb animals and the other to shoot 200 lb humans. It doesn't seem logical to me that the same caliber/rifle can fit both needs.

Anything "tactical" seems to sell these days. I mean there are tactical flashlights, gloves, shoes, etc. Is there an infatuation with "shooting at people"? Is the "tactical" game now the new Wild West of my youth. Has the Lone Ranger turned "tactical"? What is the appeal with tactical stuff? Does the American public now dream of hunting other people?

Sounds like a question Zumbo would ask.

NONYA · « **Reply #79 on:** March 22, 2008, 02:25:34 PM »

DUMBO LIVES!!!

jvs · « **Reply #80 on:** March 22, 2008, 03:06:09 PM »

Maybe charles p hasn't heard the recent volley fired by the anti-gun groups. It seems that any rifle decked out with a scope is now considered a 'sniper rifle' by those who want to take ownership away. It seems that naming them sniper rifles may get public opinion flowing against even those who use them to hunt those poor little, helpless Bambi's, with the big brown eyes. The ignorance of the whiners when it comes to auto-loaders is a another point. In their haste to berate the assault rifle, they totally ignored the fact that most shotguns and some hunting rifles use the same auto-loading action. They also fail when defining an action where the shot is fired everytime the trigger is pulled as being an auto-loader because a double action revolver fits that description. DUH !

On the other hand, maybe charles p does know about the 'sniper rifle' term and wants to make sure we know that 'tactical' may have a double meaning to those who are also ignorant of certain facts.

Get over it charles p, 'tactical' doesn't necessarily mean shooting at people, any more than 'sniper rifle' pertains to hunting. If it scares you to know that some people in this world can shoot the b*lls off a fly at 200 yds, and do it consistently, then maybe this isn't the place for you.

I know people who can put 5 shots in the same hole at 100 yds and don't shoot 'tactical' rifles. Then again, the term 'bench rest shooter' is probably something else you wouldn't understand.

DalesCarpentry · « **Reply #81 on:** March 22, 2008, 04:36:49 PM »

Hey guys!!!!!! I have to say I really don't see any reason to jump all over charles p. He was really just making a his point and asking a question at the same time. Yes tacticle things do sell now days. No the lone ranger or any of of want to start hunting humans any time soon. Dale

jvs · « **Reply #82 on:** March 22, 2008, 11:20:46 PM »

The Mantra lately from the Anti's is that any rifle with a scope should be considered a Sniper Rifle, in an effort to strike fear into the people who don't have guns in their lives. This is the real danger of guys like charles p complaining about the term 'Tactical'.

So if you think that 'chirping' about the term 'Tactical' for Hunting Rifle purposes is just innocent First Amendment exercising, maybe one should look at the history of laws against the Auto-Loaders, because one day everything you have may be considered a 'Sniper Rifle for use on Humans' regardless of what the intended use is.

Obviously, he doesn't know much about how a rifle may be put together and the work done at the factory for accurate hunting purposes, and maybe rifles and shooting alleys in general.

I have no problem with charles exercising his First Amendment Rights, as long as he doesn't expect me to give up my Second Amendment Rights. After all, his personal opinions are only worth something when they are asked for. Even a little homework on his part would have given him an answer of the term 'Tactical', and the accuracy involved for hunting purposes.

The way I read his response is "why does somebody need a rifle that is made to kill people for hunting". And that is why he is taking the heat.

sniperVLS · « **Reply #83 on:** March 23, 2008, 09:14:55 AM »

IF Charles P is an anti on this matter, he will no doubt be back in to speak his mind and then we will know where he stands, they love to *try* and get under our skin. If he was genuinely asking about the naming and why it is such, so be it.

Happy Easter everyone!

Cheesehead · « **Reply #84 on:** March 23, 2008, 09:40:23 AM »

The Gun Blast people like this rifle alot.

http://www.gunblast.com/Remington-700VTR.htm

Cheese

NONYA · « **Reply #85 on:** March 23, 2008, 11:04:26 AM »

Very accurate review,almost as accurate as the VTR.

charles p · « **Reply #86 on:** March 23, 2008, 12:26:44 PM »

I'm not an anti. I am an avid hunter and own many scoped rifles (9 Bolt action and one semi). I also have two scoped Contenders and bedside pistols for the wife and me. Got a ML and three shotguns also. I certainly enjoy a fine firearm. I served in the Coast Guard Reserve for 27 years and retired as a 0-4. I qualified expert with m16, 9mm, and 870 shotgun. I retired shortly after Desert Storm. Hope that puts your anti concerns to bed.

I am not a SWAT type person. I don't understand why we (the legal owners of firearms) are enamored with the SWAT or Tactical market. Why do these items appeal to us. What possible immage are we conveying

sniperVLS · « **Reply #87 on:** March 23, 2008, 01:32:21 PM »

Quote from: NONYA on March 23, 2008, 11:04:26 AM

Very accurate review,almost as accurate as the VTR.

NONYA · « **Reply #88 on:** March 23, 2008, 01:56:46 PM »

Charles,go kick your dog,we dont want to argue with you about you tactical issues.Just loaded up 100 165gr hornadays for the VTR,cant wait to see how they shoot.

corbanzo · « **Reply #89 on:** March 23, 2008, 04:56:40 PM »

Quote from: charles p on March 20, 2008, 03:53:48 PM

I asked the same question on another post. Is the VTR a varmint rifle or a tactical rifle? One is used to shoot 2lb animals and the other to shoot 200 lb humans. It doesn't seem logical to me that the same caliber/rifle can fit both needs.

Anything "tactical" seems to sell these days. I mean there are tactical flashlights, gloves, shoes, etc. Is there an infatuation with "shooting at people"? Is the "tactical" game now the new Wild West of my youth. Has the Lone Ranger turned "tactical"? What is the appeal with tactical stuff? Does the American public now dream of hunting other people?

You guys need to calm down in the tactical argument... how many times do we have to see it's just a word used in marketing?

The chances of a VTR being used as a sniper or combat rifle are about 0. That isn't what it was designed for.

And why in the hell does tactical need to mean killing humans? Seriously, tactical means that it has to do with tactics. Which means you use your rifle as a varmit killing tactic, not a military implement of destruction.

A tactical flashlight? - A tactic for it not to be so damn dark.

Tactical gloves? - A tactic for my hands not to slip off my axe handle.

Tactical shoes? - A tactic for me not to get so many damn blisters.

I used plenty of tactics, you could call me a tactition. Hell maybe I will use my varmint tactics in cahoots with remingtons model 700....

We could call it the Model 700 Varmint Tactical Rifle....

Now there is a crazy idea.