Our 1st Black President?

[petemi]

It is a terrible thing when you have to try to choose between the lesser of two evils.  There is no candidate that has a chance of making it to the elections that I would consider voting for., Republican or Democrat  So, what do I do?  Not vote?  No, I think we need a square to check on the ballot "NONE OF THE ABOVE" and toss it all out until we get viable candidates.  All we've got now are two Democratic Liberals and a Republican Liberal.    Since I can't do that, I'm doing the next best thing.  I'm climbing into my time machine, going back 200 plus years and volunteering to help Robert Rogers fight the French and Indians.  Maybe, if we start over, we can get it right the second time.

[Lead Poison]

I will never vote for Barack Obama, but not because he's black.

Barack Obama's beliefs are totally opposite from mine.

Obama supports abortion...I hate and oppose abortion.
Obama supports the homosexual agenda...I oppose the homosexual agenda.
Obama opposes gun ownership and the 2nd Amendment...I'm pro-gun and support the N.R.A.
Obama wants national healthcare...The government can't make social security work!
Obama doesn't want immigration reform...I say build the fence now and throw illegals out!
Obama wants more government handouts...I believe we need welfare reform and restrictions.
Obama is a socialist...Socialism and liberalism are cancers to our country!
Obama lies about his beliefs and associations...This is perfectly clear (Rev. Wright, Wm. Ayers etc.)
Obama said he will cut funding on military research and development of new systems...Say what!!!
Obama wants to negotiate with known radicals and terrorists...He blames America for nearly everything.
The reasons why I absolutely can't stand Barack Hussein Obama grow by the day!!!!!

[SHOOTALL]

I won't because he is a dem. !

[deltecs]

I will never vote for Barack Obama, but not because he's black.

Barack Obama's beliefs are totally opposite from mine.

Obama supports abortion...I hate and oppose abortion.
Obama supports the homosexual agenda...I oppose the homosexual agenda.
Obama opposes gun ownership and the 2nd Amendment...I'm pro-gun and support the N.R.A.
Obama wants national healthcare...The government can't make social security work!
Obama doesn't want immigration reform...I say build the fence now and throw illegals out!
Obama wants more government handouts...I believe we need welfare reform and restrictions.
Obama is a socialist...Socialism and liberalism are cancers to our country!
Obama lies about his beliefs and associations...This is perfectly clear (Rev. Wright, Wm. Ayers etc.)
Obama said he will cut funding on military research and development of new systems...Say what!!!
Obama wants to negotiate with known radicals and terrorists...He blames America for nearly everything.
The reasons why I absolutely can't stand Barack Hussein Obama grow by the day!!!!!

If I'm not mistaken, Hillary's campaign positions and previous experiences are totally opposite of your convictions too.  If these reasons are good enough not to vote for Obama, then in good conscience, neither could I vote for Hillary for the same reasons.  This is another typical case of what is good (or bad) for the gander, is good enough for the goose.   

[Lead Poison]

I will never vote for Barack Obama, but not because he's black.

Barack Obama's beliefs are totally opposite from mine.

Obama supports abortion...I hate and oppose abortion.
Obama supports the homosexual agenda...I oppose the homosexual agenda.
Obama opposes gun ownership and the 2nd Amendment...I'm pro-gun and support the N.R.A.
Obama wants national healthcare...The government can't make social security work!
Obama doesn't want immigration reform...I say build the fence now and throw illegals out!
Obama wants more government handouts...I believe we need welfare reform and restrictions.
Obama is a socialist...Socialism and liberalism are cancers to our country!
Obama lies about his beliefs and associations...This is perfectly clear (Rev. Wright, Wm. Ayers etc.)
Obama said he will cut funding on military research and development of new systems...Say what!!!
Obama wants to negotiate with known radicals and terrorists...He blames America for nearly everything.
The reasons why I absolutely can't stand Barack Hussein Obama grow by the day!!!!!

If I'm not mistaken, Hillary's campaign positions and previous experiences are totally opposite of your convictions too.  If these reasons are good enough not to vote for Obama, then in good conscience, neither could I vote for Hillary for the same reasons.  This is another typical case of what is good (or bad) for the gander, is good enough for the goose.   

You're quite correct; I will never vote for Hillary Clinton either for the same reasons stated above.

[alsatian]

I don't think there is any point or need to analyze the presidential race in terms of a black candidate, a woman candidate, a white/male candidate.  I say you look at what and who they are.  Hillary and Obama are each classic liberals.  What can you expect from them?  (1) increased taxes, (2) more money spent on the poor, (3) less money spent on defense, (4) more gun control, (5) appointment of liberal judges, in the line of "the constitution is a living document and it is my job to interpret the constitution today as the framers would have written it today if they were alive today."  Oh, I just about forgot, a new government universal healthcare beaurocracy.  McCain is a classic middle of the road Republican.  (1) he won't raise taxes, (2) he won't increase spending on the poor, (3) he won't decrease defense spending (he may decrease military committments -- Iraq, Afghanistan -- but he won't gut spending on upgrading, sustaining weapons systems), (4) he will not increase gun control, (5) he will appoint judges that are not activist judges and who interpret the constitution in the words it was written in, and (6) he will not create a new healthcare beaurocracy.  None of this means that the congress can't get these things arounds McCain -- congress controls many of these issues -- but there is a difference between a president leading and advocating such things and a president who drags his feet.  For me one of the most important considerations is the power of the president to appoint judges -- both US Supreme Court judges but also federal court judges.  Whatever else you say about Bush, it is thanks to Bush (versus Al Gore) that we have two new members of the court who are originalist rather than "the constitution is a living document" people.  I think we will shortly see the value of these appointments when the court rules on the Washington DC gun ban.

[torpedoman]

bet you never hear an apology for referring to" typical white people" by a racist black candidate

[deltecs]

FOXNEWS.COM HOME > OPINION
       

Obama and Guns: Two Different Views
Monday, April 07, 2008

By John R. Lott, Jr.

Something happens to Democrats on the gun issue when they run for president. For John Kerry during 2004, it was awkwardly posing in brand new hunting gear at a seemingly endless series of hunting photo-ops.

But in what will probably be the most improbable change, the Politico reported on Saturday that Barack Obama was making a big play for gun votes in Pennsylvania. It is not particularly surprising that this change is occurring with the crucial Pennsylvania primary soon approaching.

With about one million of the country’s 12.5 million hunters, Pennsylvania is number one in the nation in the amount of time its citizens spend hunting. With about 600,000 people with permits to carry concealed handguns, Pennsylvania also has more permit holders than any other state.

Others, such as Jim Kessler, vice president for policy with Third Way, a progressive think tank, view Obama as starting to position himself for the general election.

Yet, it should be a hard sell.

Obama has consistently supported gun control legislation that came up while he was in the Illinois state legislature and the U.S. Senate.

For example, when Obama ran for the Illinois state senate the political group, Independent Voters of Illinois (IVI), asked him if he supported a “ban [on] the manufacture, sale and possession of handguns” and he responded “yes.”

Realizing how damaging this could prove in the general election, his presidential campaign “flatly denied” Obama ever held this view, blaming it instead on a staffer from his state senate race.

But then IVI provided Politico the questionnaire with Obama’s own handwritten notes revising another answer. Members of IVI’s board of directors, some of whom have worked on Obama’s past campaigns, told Politico that “I always believed those to be his views, what he really believes in, and he’s tailoring it now to make himself more palatable as a nationwide candidate.”

But the IVI questionnaire isn’t the only one out there.

In 1998, another questionnaire administered by IL State Legislative National Political Awareness Test didn’t ask about banning all handguns, but it did find that Obama wanted to “ban the sale or transfer of all forms of semi-automatic weapons.”

Indeed, such a ban would outlaw virtually all handguns and the vast majority of rifles sold in the United States.

In addition, from 1998 to 2001, Obama was on the board of directors for the Joyce Foundation, which funded such anti-gun groups as the Violence Policy Center, the Ohio Coalition Against Gun Violence, and Handgun Free America. Both the Violence Policy Center and Handgun Free America, as its name suggests, are in favor of a complete ban on handguns. During his tenure on the board, the Joyce Foundation was probably the major funder of pro-control research in the United States.

In fact, I knew Obama during the mid-1990s, and his answers to IVI’s question on guns fit well with the Obama that I knew. Indeed, the first time I introduced myself to him he said “Oh, you are the gun guy.”

I responded “Yes, I guess so.” He simply responded that “I don’t believe that people should be able to own guns.”

When I said it might be fun to talk about the question sometime and about his support of the city of Chicago’s lawsuit against the gun makers, he simply grimaced and turned away, ending the conversation.

If taken literally, Obama’s statement to me was closer to what the IL State Legislative National Political Awareness Test found, indicating that Obama's bans would extend well beyond handguns.

Obama also opposes the current laws in 48 states that let citizens carry concealed handguns for protection claiming, despite all the academic studies to the contrary, that "I think that creates a potential atmosphere where more innocent people could (get shot during) altercations."

Even Hillary Clinton disagrees with him on this.

The Obama campaign’s strategy largely follows 2003 surveys produced by Democratic pollster Mark Penn showing that if Democrats didn't show "respect for the 2nd Amendment and support gun safety," voters would presume that they were anti-gun. "The formula for Democrats," according to Penn, "is to say that they support the 2nd Amendment, but that they want tough laws that close loopholes. This is something [Democrats] can run on and win on."

It was the same strategy that all the Democratic presidential candidates seemed to follow in 2004.

Earlier this year, Karlyn Bowman at the American Enterprise Institute said: “The Clinton and Obama campaigns know the public opinion data on the issue well. . . . the right to be able to own a gun seems to be firmly held, and I think that's why both candidates say what they say."

In practice, saying that Obama now believes that the Second Amendment means that there is an individual right to own guns doesn’t mean anything if it can’t even prevent guns from being banned. And even today, despite the pressure from the Pennsylvania primary, Obama is unwilling to state that DC’s or Chicago’s ban on guns are unconstitutional.

Obama’s website only recognizes two legitimate purposes for civilian ownership of guns: “hunting and target shooting.” The notion that people might want to protect themselves when the police are not around isn’t something that he sees as legitimate.

On both his Iraq and trade policies, Obama has already faced the embarrassing situations where his top advisors have had to tell people in other countries not to worry because he doesn’t believe what he is telling American voters.

With guns, it sure looks like Obama is again telling voters what they want to hear, not what he plans on doing.

*John Lott, is the author of "Freedomnomics" and a senior research scientist at the University of Maryland.

Any voter, who is a member of GBO, should read this and remember in Novemember.  The bold face is my editting with the emphasis that any man who says this, will do anything else with regard to our individual rights, not just gun control.   Any man or woman, who uses logic instead of emotion, could not possibly in good conscience vote for him.  There is no truthful rebuttal or justification for doing so especially in light of his own words or lack thereof.  This is the change he wants for America.

[Perkins]

Lead Poison flies of his handle here.
Abortion is good and should be paid for by the government!
Universal health-care is good and needed! 80 000 000 people in this country are without!
Gun-control is needed and has big support in the population. Keep guns away from nut cases!
No more CCP's anymore for civis!
Change is good!
In the end it does not matter who sits on the hill; they all are controlled by a third party with a hidden agenda!
A sock pupped can do the job as mouth piece (for above mentioned group).

[thxmrgarand]

No doubt many gun owners preferred a different Republican than the one that came out on top in the presidential primary.  I know I did.  However, we've been here before.  First, I remember that democracy isn't majority rule but rule by the majority who show up.  This being an election year, I will be wearing out shoe leather to hang fliers on door knobs and to speak to people.  We'll be registering voters on Sunday's.  As the elections (state primaries in August, general city election in October, general elections in November) draw near I will be helping out at campaign headquarters of pro-gun candidates.  Yes, I will continue sending money to candidates and (of course) to the NRA.  No one lives long enough to support only candidates that think exactly the way we want but we can make our issues and concerns known to candidates, and if we work for those candidates they will at the least contact us before taking a position on an issue they know concerns us.  I guess it's OK to sit in the bleachers and criticize your local ball team but democracy is a participatory event.  Partly due to so many campaigns now having so much money compared with the available media markets, I have seen many election races in which a retired (so having the time) married couple donating a couple hundred hours (combined) to a campaign can have much more traction than a campaign donation of $10,000 would have had.

Even anti-gun D's running for national office will continue to treat the gun issue as radioactive so long gun owners remain organized, politically active, and intelligent.  And elections do matter!       

[Cabin4]

We know little about him. The only thing I do know is he is a far left wing liberal socialist that believes in high taxes, big government and gun control. I also know he attended a church for 20 years and the pastor is an American hating racist.

He should not be the prez.

[Perkins]

GO,  OBAMA, GO!!

Yes to gun control,
yes to socialized medicare,
yes to taxpayer funded abortion,
no to israel!

[deltecs]

GO,  OBAMA, GO!!

Yes to gun control,
yes to socialized medicare,
yes to taxpayer funded abortion,
no to israel!

I disagree.  As I've posted elsewhere, my personal belief in strict application to the Constitution mandates an armed society to prevent government excess and tyranny, in addition to having an unorganized militia in case of invasion by other governments.  There are plenty of laws on the books to curtail and deter crime.  The answer to crime is not in gun control; it is in childhood being taught that you are responsible for your actions and punished accordingly.  Israel has a right to exist as a soverign nation, just as any other.  This is why I'll be voting against liberal dems this Nov.

[Ga.windbreak]

I wouldn't care if Obama is White, with a Green stripe, and a Woman I won't vote for him because I am against what he stands for. If Coni Rice were running I would vote for her without a second thought and it wouldn't be because I'm feeling guilty about what happened 150 years ago. That is the biggest pile of I've ever read and this isn't the only place I've read it.  If John has any then he will pick Ms. Rice as his running mate and I'll happily vote for that ticket. As for the lady Governor I've only heard a few things about her and would be glad if anyone would enlighten me about the Lady.

[deltecs]

I watched Obama this morning at the Cuban American Association Celebration for Cuban Independence Day festivities.  He spoke to the audience telling them that he has opposed any government ruled by tyranny and he would do all in his Presidential power to reform Cuba to a Democratic government elected by the people.  Oh man, what BS.  Isn't this the same Obama who voted against Iraqi intervention by the US?  Isn't this the same goals the US is attempting to do after the downfall of Hussein?  I see absolutely no difference.  Kennedy pressured Cuba to remove the missiles as a threat to the US.  Hussein was pressured to comply with UN sanctions from the first war and did not.  This also threateded American security.  What is the difference?  None that I can see.  If Obama is willing to use American influence to overturn the Cuban communist regime, then the same principles apply with Iraq, in light of non compliance to UN peace terms and overthrow that regime, but Obama is against this?  It seems he wants Florida voters and will do anything he can, to lie, steal, or glib talk his way to the White House.  Does this scenario remind anyone of someone else in recent politics?  It does me with Slick Willy and what a disaster his administration was.  Same glib talk, same incompetence, same lies, same inexperience, same do nothing to solve the problems and no strategy in place.  God help the US, if this man becomes President.  Am I the only one who can see this?

[Dixie Dude]

No you are not the only one who sees this.  He is a true politician.  Says what his audience wants to hear.  Makes it exciting.  Look at his voting record and what he accomplished in Illinois and in the senate.  Nothing.  Didn't vote or voted liberal every time.  McCain does speak his mind, and it sometimes gets him in trouble with the voters, but he seems to at least have convictions as to why he says or does things.  Not going the way the opinion polls are blowing. 

[torpedoman]

his comments like "typical white people" and "watch me make these whites swoon" and his wife's comment "proud of my country for the first time" show both of them to be racists.Yes black racists imagine that.  Sorry I can't support a racist no matter what the color of his/her skin.

[Preacherman]

I guess I am an uneducated poor working class that clings to there religion and guns from West Virginia.I will not vote for any of the top three that been mentioned above.Can't see much difference any any of them.
ABORTION IS MURDER
HOMOSEXUALITY IS AN ABOMINATION
2ND AMEND. IS A RIGHT
PREACHERMAN

[Lead Poison]

I believe;

1. Abortion is murder
2. Homosexuality is an abomination
3. I fully support the 2nd Amendment and our right to bear arms
4. We need fully secured borders to prevent any illegal from entering, throw out those here
5. Our country simply CANNOT continue giving handouts to illegals
6. We need to support our military
7. Contrary to Obama, I believe we need to increase funding for military research and development
8. We should support and stand beside Israel
9. Socialism is a cancer (Obama, Hillary)
10. Oppose a "nationalized" healthcare system (We can't fix social security, now healthcare?)

[lgm270]

I was bemused by Obama's story about his "uncle" who served in the 89th Infantry of the US Army when it "liberated Auschwitz."

It turned out he had no uncle (his mother was an only child), but it was his mother's uncle which was his "great uncle."  No big deal.  The term "uncle" is used rather broadly in some circumstances and that's not real important to me.  What I think is more significant is his story about  the US Army "liberating Auschwitz." 

Obongo seems not to be aware that Auschwitz was in Poland on  the eastern front and that it was "liberated" by the Red Army.  Anglo American forces were hundreds of miles away, on the western front.    Has this guy ever  read a history book?

Actually this kind of talk about GI's being in on the "liberation" of Auschwitz  is very common.  I am very skeptical of the official Jewish version of the history of WWII, as embodied in the  Holocaust Legend, which  I think it is a fraud.   Invariably, when I express this view    I am  accosted  by someone who had an "uncle" a "grandfather" , or a  father in law or whatever who was with the US Army at the "liberation of Auschwitz."   I have been told by elderly veterans that they were there at Auschwitz.  These stories are totally bogus.     

In  Europe it is a felony punishable by fine and imprisonment to disagree with the official Jewish version of WWII.  It is OK to disagree with the Protestant version of the history of the Protestant Reformation, the  Irish version of the history of the Irish Potato Famine, or the French version  of the history of the French Revolution.  But if you disagree with Jews, it is "hate speech" and you go to jail.  ["Hate speech"  is speech that Jews hate to hear.]     


We are told that the Holocaust is the most important historical event  in the history of man kind.  Does anyone else think that Obama is not qualified to be president because he is so ignorant of this most important  historical event?
 

[Tn Jim]

The truly scare thing about this election is this. Of the millions of people in this country that are able to run for POTUS, these three clowns are the best we can come up with? None of them could be voted best man at an all girl school. Except Hitlery, and she wouldn't want the job unless she could be crowned Queen. What a joke!!

[MGMorden]

I don't need to worry about what the people of Kenya think about living with a black president anymore than I need to ask them how they like living with a president that has hair, is from Africa, or breathes air.  The man's color has no bearing on anything.  That's not to say I'll be voting for him - I don't agree with his policies.  But if a black candidate that I agreed with was put on the ballot I would have no issue whatsoever voting for him.  Racism is just too last century . . .

For what it's worth, I won't be voting for McCain either.   He's only MIDLY less anti-gun than Obama.  Though I know he has no actual chance of winning, I'll be voting for Bob Barr (the Libertarian nominee).  It's at least a vote my conscience can justify casting.

[CCW.40]

Quote from Obama." This is the greatest country in the world, and I am going to change it."  Does more need to be said?

[deltecs]

Quote from Obama." This is the greatest country in the world, and I am going to change it."  Does more need to be said?

This comment is certainly oxymoronic.  Ain't he a diplomat.  If his diplomatic skills run such, the Muslim leaders are going to ROFL.  That is probably why they support him.

[CCW.40]

@ deltecs- the bad thing about the quote is that was not caught by more in the media. Or perhaps it was noticed and they decided to ignore it. I would like to think that it was a mistake by a speech writer, and Senator Obama, with the hectic schedule he has, missed it. But to me that seems like a pretty important slip. Regardless of the reason, I will not vote for him, nor would I have voted for Hillary. McCain, in my opinion, is little better, but he will prolly get my vote because there are no viable independents, anywhere. I mean honestly, McCain is a hero cuz he was captured? And he capitulated to his captors to survive, that makes him a hero? While it does make him a survivor, it does not make him a hero. I know I will get blasted for that, but heck, thats how I see it. With that, I will go by saying, I fear for our way of life and I see no bright horizons in our future with what we have to chose from. McCain is a stop-gap, not a solution.

[PaulS]

Just because the big two parties have no viable candidates doesn't mean that you can't vote for someone who is better. If you continue to vote for marginal or unsatisfactory candidates then you will never get them to change. I am voting Libertarian. Their philosophy is in concert with our founding fathers. It may not be the politically correct way to vote but I have never been very "correct".

[Cabin4]

Common black people will vote for him because he has duped them to believe he is also black. He's actually 1/2 black & 1/2 white, so how that makes him black is interesting to me.

Young people will vote for him because he is charismatic to them and they don't know crap about the real issues or know enough to ask about the solutions.

Antiwar will vote for him because he says he will pull out regardless of the downstream impacts.

Environmental kooks will vote for him because he is anti alternative energy and favors high gas prices.

The Liberals in general will vote for him because he promises to raise taxes. Some how we think raising tax's will help our economy.

The anti-off shore job crowd will vote for him because they actually THINK the president can change the realities of a global competitive economy.

The anti-gun crowd will vote for him because he is just that, anti- 2nd amendment.

The anti Christian & American crowd will vote for him because Obama is anti-Christian and anti American.


It does not look good but I am not giving up hope or giving up the fight. If there ever was a risk to our way of life, this guy is it.

[sparkyc2]

In case there is any doubt, go here
sparkyc

[FLNT4EVR]

I,m with Sparkyc2 .

[phalanx]

I am sorry we are all wrong ,Russians who were in positions of power during the USSR say the American Liberals are neither Communist ,or Socialist .
In the Communist Manifesto ,Lenin and Marx were very clear on this ,as clear as our fore fathers were in our Constitution .
Liberals and Democrats in the form and the ideas they present are what is called a Multi Tiered Monarchy , it is the worst form of Government.
This means that they can continue to live their lavish life styles ,believing they are God like ,and you and me are workers to support it all ,including their power.
If our Liberals woke up one morning and a real Communist Government were in charge ,in no way would they let Kerry ,Pelosi ,and the rest live or talk like they do.
They would be conforming like we would have to do, or sent to a labor camp. Before you start correcting me let me finish ,i have spent days reading about this.
Soviet and Chinas Communism isn't the same ,Chinas is Mao ( Populous Commie)  Soviet was ( Unitarian Commie) China being the Bee hive mentality  ,Russia the unified mentality all working together dedicated to a greater good,being the state. Socialism is a botched middle ground that ultimately fails.
Yes i know that the USSR fell ,China is engaging in free trade , But the USSR fell because of over spending and corruption  and other reasons we all know.
China survives because of the Bee hive mentality , Japan is that same way If you really look at it.
Our Liberals are nothing more than Pampered ,arrogant cry baby's and are only in office because they created a Voting Block that has lived for generations on Welfare.
Un educated ,over weight ,with no skills other than eating and making more welfare recipients is all they know. No Communist Government would stand for this.
Then in letting 20 million Illegal Aliens become Citizens , who's own Country didn't want them ,these Illiterate ,food and baby factory's will further ruin this country.
Obama comes from a region of Africa long known to produce good talkers.  Only one other form of Government exist that would allow the Democrat elite to maintain power and lifestyle , to be in total control with the support of Police and Military ,crushing all opposition and making us into good little servants is Fascism.
Socialism is a toned down form of this , Hitler was a super charged form of it.  People in Europe who saw Hitler rise to power ,even in Russia ,say Obama is a Fascist.
A silver tongue crowd pleaser ,even when caught in a lie his followers do not believe he is wrong ,backed and supported by a man who once advocated White Genocide.
Americans didn't really experience the rise of Hitler ,we had to deal with him when he was already in power .so Fascism would be hard for us to recognize.
Why did all the Democrats ,and Liberals desert Hillary ?  Because she is a Mouest Commie ,thus the Clinton's close ties to China . Our liberals studied this i am sure .
Our Democrats are far from being Socialist ,or Commies ,those are words we toss around not knowing any better.  In Obama they saw a savior ,an opportunity to fool us all ,gain massive support from star struck followers , and retain their power ,money and arrogant life styles in the type of promises Obama makes to the Foolish Masses.
Our government uses brute force on us, Intimidation ,threats ,It demands more out of us already suffering from the mistakes they made .
It increases its Police force and encourages them to look more like the Military , and they attack our rights daily and the only words we hear out of Congress is,TAX and BAN.
All the time smiling out to the world , with one face ,snarling at us with the other.
Obama is a Fascist , Liberals found the way to ultimate power  ,I know it sounds crazy ,i thought so to , but get a short wave radio and listen to Europe.
It then makes sense ,and you don't have to be Hitler to be a Fascist Dictator.