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Big Brother to control thermostats in homes?
« on: January 11, 2008, 04:47:22 AM »


CALIFORNIA SCHEMIN'
Big Brother to control thermostats in homes?
Proposed mandate would grant utility companies unlimited remote access to regulate temperatures

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Posted: January 11, 2008
1:00 a.m. Eastern


By Chelsea Schilling
© 2008 WorldNetDaily.com


Add thermostats to the list of private property the government would like to regulate as the state of California looks to require that residents install remotely monitored temperature controls in their homes next year.

The government is seeking to limit rolling blackouts and free up electric and natural gas resources by mandating that every new heating and cooling system include a "non-removable" FM receiver. The thermostat is also capable of controlling other appliances in the house, such as electric water heaters, refrigerators, pool pumps, computers and lights in response to signals from utility companies. If contractors and residents refuse to comply with the mandate, their building permits will be denied.

The proposal, set to be considered by the commission Jan. 30, requires each thermostat to be equipped with a radio communication device to send "price signals" and automatically adjust temperature up or down 4 degrees for cooling and heating, as California's public and private utility organizations deem necessary.

Claudia Chandler, assistant executive director for the California Energy Commission, told WND the new systems would be highly beneficial to residents.

"From the Energy Commission's perspective, all we're doing is ensuring that this new technology is included in new homes instead of the older programmable technology," she said.

The Programmable Communication Thermostat, or PCT, will allow power authorities to control home temperatures without granting consumers ability to override settings during "emergency events." Nowhere in the proposal does it clarify what type of situation would qualify as an "emergency," but Chandler offered her own explanation: "An emergency is when the utilities need to implement rolling blackouts and drop load in order to be able to meet their supplies because the integrity of the grid is being jeopardized."


 


She claims residents will be able to manually override controls in all cases, but the 2008 Building Efficiency Standards (Page 64), known as Title 24, specifically states: "The PCT shall not allow customer changes to thermostat settings during emergency events."

Michael Shames, executive director of California's Utility Consumers' Action Network, told WND he believes the idea of a chip consumers are unable to override is not feasible. While he considers the technology to be a positive development, he said denying consumers control over their own appliances is a highly problematic concept.

"The implications of this language are far-reaching and Orwellian," he said. "For the government and utility company to say, 'We're going to control the devices in your house, and you have no choice in that matter,' that's where the line is drawn. That sentence must be removed."

Additionally, no provisional exceptions for people with health conditions worsened by excessive temperatures are mentioned in the current proposal; however, the Energy Commission spokeswoman said existing supply problems are more worrisome to Californians with health issues than the projected solution.

"I actually was more concerned in the 2001 electricity crisis that folks on critical medical devices like respirators, kidney dialysis machines and things like that were going through rolling blackouts," Chandler said. "That's a very challenging thing to face. Moving somebody's temperature up by a few degrees really seems mild by comparison."

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Jim Gunshinan, managing editor of Home Energy, based in Berkley, Calif., told WND the changes would also provide consumers with an option to control thermostats via the Internet.

"That means someone can turn on the air conditioning before they leave work for home and have the house comfortable when they walk in the door. Or if they forgot before leaving home for a ski trip, they can remotely lower the thermostat at home and save money."

Gunshinan claims the new system is needed because it will be more beneficial to the environment than building new energy facilities for the state.

"Since utilities have old, inefficient and dirty power plants on reserve to use during peak demand hours, dropping demand will mean less use of these dirty power plants and less pollution."

Some critics say California authorities will be incapable of enforcing compliance if homeowners and renters bootleg heating and cooling systems from other states, block radio reception with inexpensive FM transmitters or simply install window air conditioning units and space heaters, a bypass method that could use more energy than traditional units.

Concerned California residents expressed outrage with the proposal in several online postings:

"I hate this state. Why don't we just fly a communist flag while we are at it? We are planning a move out of state. I'm done."

"This is insane. Please, everyone reading this, take action. Write your representatives, call the RINO governor, call your local radio programs and, lastly, write letters to the editors of your local papers. Dear God, just when I thought California couldn't get much worse!"

Other opponents of the state proposal expressed concern that its mandatory nature is a sign of increasing "Big Brother" government control.

The California Energy Commission invites
 

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Re: Big Brother to control thermostats in homes?
« Reply #1 on: January 12, 2008, 08:06:22 AM »
THAT! Was on the news THIS MORNING! The government is loosing it's mind.
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Re: Big Brother to control thermostats in homes?
« Reply #2 on: January 13, 2008, 07:44:21 PM »
These systems are not new. We installed them in all the buildings on base at Luke AFB back in 1976. They were also installed on the housing at Bolling AFB in Washington DC when I lived there in 1992 thru 1996. How do I know? I ran the computor. I worked in the Energy Monitoring and Control Systems Office. If someone left their outside door or windows open, and the a/c was running the computor would go into alarm, I would send a shut off signal to the a/c unit. The folks would call in complaining that their a/c was inop. I would then tell them to shut their windows and doors and I would turn it back on. Talk about folks getting furious. I actually had people threaten to come down and shoot me.

Most Air Force instalations have had them since the 1980s. The units we had in DC were a bit more advanced. When the people turned their thermostates down too far the computer would cycle the A/C compressor on and off keeping the temp in the preset paramators. This system really cut down on the energy consumption on the AFB, and saved a lot of money. In DC the folks in housing never even knew about the black box on their A/C. They never complained because their units stayed within the set parameters, and they knew we would question why they were trying to get their houses colder than they were supposed to be.

By the way it was not my idea to install this system, I just worked their. I was in the military and that was my job.

But, I don't want one on my house.
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Re: Big Brother to control thermostats in homes?
« Reply #3 on: January 13, 2008, 11:37:20 PM »
land of the free, my ass   >:(

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Re: Big Brother to control thermostats in homes?
« Reply #4 on: January 15, 2008, 03:01:47 AM »
Instead of worrying about the thermostats, maybe Ca. should put a control on illegals spitten kids out of their crotch like micowave popcorn.  gypsyman
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Re: Big Brother to control thermostats in homes?
« Reply #5 on: January 15, 2008, 05:13:08 PM »
I heard on the news they tabled the proposal.