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Maybe the strangest thing I remember seeing
« on: January 13, 2008, 01:31:04 PM »
   It just struck me weird right now,that of all the time I sent prowling the woods this year looking for grouse and deer, and it was alot that there was no way near the amount of trash in the woods or trails that there usually is.   What happened to the maggots that leave these piles of bottles and cans or what have you.   STRANGE.

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Re: Maybe the strangest thing I remember seeing
« Reply #1 on: January 14, 2008, 12:26:21 PM »
Less trash in the woods is a good thing. I find that most hunters and outdoor sportsmen care more for the woods and natural rescources then they ever have.
It may or may not be a matter of them knowing that they need to take care of the outdoors, so they dont loose it alltogether i'd like to think its jsy plain ole good ethics in action.
I have been out and picked up other people trash, when hunting. Others may call that weird.
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Re: Maybe the strangest thing I remember seeing
« Reply #2 on: January 14, 2008, 01:06:12 PM »
I don't think it's weird, I do the same thing. I can't believe it sometimes when I see what people will dump in the woods. I drive six hours to go hunting in a national forest and am always finding cans or bottles that other people leave behind. The sad thing is a lot of the time it is the locals doing it, I guess since they live there they don't have the same appreciation of the area that I do. Most likely kids.
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Re: Maybe the strangest thing I remember seeing
« Reply #3 on: January 18, 2008, 02:54:13 AM »
I got out of my truck, picked up, and handed back the trash bag of old fries and hamburger wrappers that the guy in front of me threw out onto the road in my neighborhood while we were both queued at a stop sign.  He acted surprised and indignant.  Go Figure.  A sure acceleration to Road Rage was in its infancy.

I asked that in the future he be polite enough to put his trash where it belonged - in a trash can - and invited him to take one of the plastic grocery bags I had in my hand for his trash - that was all I asked.  At his "surprise" and "FU" response I told him that I didn't appreciate his trash in my neighborhood, that I would call the Sheriff.   He was too indignant to accept the garbage bag.   He was a good bit younger too.  He considered opening his door and stepping outside but I cautioned him that it would not go well for him if he exited his car.

My "Old Fart" gray hair, set demeanor, and imposing position outside his car window were sufficient to convince him to stay put.  I took his license plate number down, made sure he noticed that I was doing that, and followed a short distance to assure he didn't just toss it out along the State Highway.  When he turned off I headed to my ultimate destination. 

It isn't fun catching people in the act of screwing up - then attempting to do something proactive about it.  You don't know how the situation is going to turn.  The adrenalin stays with you for quite a long time.

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Re: Maybe the strangest thing I remember seeing
« Reply #4 on: January 18, 2008, 06:36:16 AM »
I got out of my truck, picked up, and handed back the trash bag of old fries and hamburger wrappers that the guy in front of me threw out....

It remains a fact that the strangest things seen are the people that....

Do you have a concealed carry?  Using a weapon, however, to defend yourself in this exact situation might have been problematic: you initiated the confrontation.  Had he gotten out of the vehicle unarmed, you might have had to "take your whipping"--or given one. 

I like your attitudes and actions even though they might have put you in real danger.  Have you ever noticed that most law enforcement people, when approaching someone in a vehicle, do not belly-up to the window: they stand a little bit to the rear of the person.  That forces the person in the car to spend a critical second pointing a weapon back at the officer.  They can't just pull the trigger of a gun pre-positioned to shoot through the window.  That critical second it takes to re-position the gun can give the officer time to react--to move out of danger. 
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Re: Maybe the strangest thing I remember seeing
« Reply #5 on: January 18, 2008, 06:53:48 AM »
Obviously I am not LEO and sometimes do carry concealed (w/license), but not then.  I didn't think, but only reacted to the "Trash Man".  When seeing he was younger it didn't cause any alarm bells or whistles.  It was noon, broad daylight, semi-rural, side street adjoining an arterial highway, wide open pasture lands around, in my own (crime free) neighborhood, and looking back, everything you said could have gone wrong. 

How do you think I should have acted?  I did not "go there" mentally and physically where this person was considered a potential lethal threat (just a litter bug).  If I have to shoot someone over their trash (because they act like or attempt to or shoot at me first) then I might as well not get involved in the first place...and that just isn't me!

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Re: Maybe the strangest thing I remember seeing
« Reply #6 on: January 18, 2008, 07:10:56 AM »
what problem ? if you used the weapon right then all they would see is 2 trash bags !
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Re: Maybe the strangest thing I remember seeing
« Reply #7 on: June 29, 2009, 12:07:49 AM »
Land Owner,

    Good for you!

    Growing up a mile from the city lake, I'm well aware of the kinda slobs society produces. They come out in a $50,000 SUV pulling a boat or a motorhome, hauling enough snacks and drinks to feed an invading force, but can't seem to haul any of their trash 1/4 of a mile to the trash dumpsters located right next to the road so they don't even have to get out!

    Too many times, these bastards have thrown their beer bottle out, and my horses have cut their ankles on them when I'm riding out to check cattle. I can't ride ONE DAMNED MILE safely!

    If you're from town, and can't figure out why we don't wanna let you hunt, THAT'S THE REASON! We've had calves disappear from small pastures without a trace in pastures we check daily. It's about time tourists started disappearing.

    I've been out in the pasture shooting into a hill, and the dumb bastards have the nerve to yell, "Hey! There are people over here!" I didn't get much of a reply whe I told them to go the hell back to town!
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Re: Maybe the strangest thing I remember seeing
« Reply #8 on: June 29, 2009, 03:46:21 AM »
Over the years I have ben asked to pledge funds for various walks that are supposed to help various charities.  I have instead made this offer.  "if you take a backpack along with you, I will pay X dollars to your charity for every time you fill it with litter and dump it in a waste receptacle"  My opinion is that a walk or run does nothing to help any cause, my offer at least helps clean up a little and just maybe teach a little responsibility.
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Re: Maybe the strangest thing I remember seeing
« Reply #9 on: June 29, 2009, 04:41:42 AM »
Yeah! How much logoed crap and flyers get thrown away for every one of those damn things?
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Re: Maybe the strangest thing I remember seeing
« Reply #10 on: December 10, 2009, 07:10:50 PM »
About 20 years ago I introduced a guy to hunting.  He had been out a few times on his own but didnt really do to well.  So, I took him out with people I had hunted with for years. We all showed him respect for the woods etc.  No litter, trash campsite and all. He was okay.  Had a lot of good hunts and fun.

Well, about 8-9 years ago he joins these "Clampers" and is now a professional drunk. He takes a Clamper guy out to "show him the ropes".  I'm thinking okay, another hunter.  Damn if these two dont go rolling down the road chucking beer cans out the window!! I did the samething Land_Owner did.  Picked up the cans, made a show of putting them in the back of his truck.

I have slowly weened him from our group and this year was the first I didnt bump into him out hunting. Nice...

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Re: Maybe the strangest thing I remember seeing
« Reply #11 on: December 10, 2009, 08:19:32 PM »
Glad this showed up again.  I have been thinking for awhile now.  I was taking a motorcycle up Hwy 1 north of San francisco out towards Tomales bay at very early daybreak on a Sunday to meet friends. I hit a spot where pacific coast fog was floating in patches, which was normal, but they were a fairly vivid PURPLE.  I was setting on the bike a little stunned when US Forest Service truck pulled up behind me while I was taking pictures.  He explained that AM sunlight refracted off the bay and split into prisim reflected into bottom of fog.  Over the next 3 years that morning run has gained me pictures of floating fog in four different colors.  I understand the physics, but I always thought of it as watching one of the moving fingers of God as the color shifted with the sunrise.  I have had people who should have known better swear up and down I used colored filters to take those pictures. 
That is a gorgeous section of road and I rode it on my days off until I found every coast gun emplacement within 40 miles of San Francisco bay.  If you cannon cockers look hard enough the foundations are still there and you can find crennalated buildings up and down the coast, and I am not talking about the Presidio.

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Re: Maybe the strangest thing I remember seeing
« Reply #12 on: December 26, 2009, 05:46:29 PM »
Something happened to us today that was kind of creepy. I live out in the California desert, and for years have loved to hike and explore. In recent years folks from the city have moved in and things have changed somewhat. In recent years the four wheelers have discovered our area and even though I believe in live and let live I do get frustrated with how they permanently tear up the countryside, but worse than them are the occultist. There has been evidence for years of occultic ceremonies, complete with sacrafices etc, that take place in remote parts of the country. I have a general idea where they practice their activities and so try to avoid those areas. Becasue of that, many areas that I used to hike, I no longer do so. It seems that it is because of either the occultist, or dope growers, or those who come out to the desert to "cook" drugs, that I no longer go to certain areas. What a person does is their business, and not mine, so I try to avoid the above mentioned groups. So, I have found a new area to hike, shoot, picnic etc. and except for the occassional mountain lion my wife and I have had no trouble. Until today.

     Now, what happened was not harmful to us, but was rather just down right creepy. We arrived at the end of the dirt road and parked, as we always do, in an area where there is a lot of indian petrogliphs (rock art). As we parked, a very old woman crossed the dirt road and went to an area of rocks that that is piled very high (some of the boulders here are as large as a house, or larger).  She went into the rocks, with her camera then came out, looked at us, and without saying a word got into a truck with a man and drove away.  I noticed that in the area was some graffiti that wasn't there last time I was there (a couple of weeks ago), and I noticed that someone had spilled some red paint on the side of one of these huge boulders. I made a mental note of these things and then prepared to leave on our hike. My wife and I locked up the car, took up my pack, and with "Duke" our hound, pit bull mix we set off across the desert.

     About 2 1/2 hours later we headed back and as we came over the ridge I noticed a truck parked near ours, and a man and another old woman walking about, also with a camera. They saw us, and I waved and they waved back. They took some pictures of one panel of rock art and then headed straight to where the previous old woman had been. My wife overheard them say something how "they burned everything up." They took some pictures and then quickly left. Now mind you, this location is several miles off the highway. It is a dead end dirt road that is in terrible shape, and even with a four wheeled drive you have to be careful or you will get stuck. It is not the kind of place you go to unless you have a particular purpose or destination in mind.

     After they left my wife and I went over to where they were. We found that the rock there has recently been covered with strange symbols, and that someone has had a huge bonfire there. The soot on the rock was about 5 feet wide and at least 15 feet high and had an oily look to it, not like a fire from burning brush. This was a BIG fire. Strangely enough, all of the soot on the ground was gone. It was just normal sand, no evidence there had been a fire. If you looked in the bushes there were remants of burnt sticks and charcoal, but other than that, no evidence of anything. My wife watched from a distance as I went up to examine it and photograph the symbols. I called our dog up and he took a couple of steps, turned around and went back to my wife, clearly distresed. I called him again, and he reacted in the same way. I finally used my "you better come" voice and he slowly came up and sat at my feet, ears down and clearly afraid (he's usually very bold). I pet him and said "you can go" and he ran. After this, I went to examine the red "paint" I had seen from a distance, only, it wasn't paint. It was candle wax, and there was a lot of it, in two locations. It wasn't on top of a rock, but was set on the side of a rock that sloped upwards at a steep angle. Somebody had set at least 2 candles there, and they had burned for a long time. When I saw the candles I realized that this was probably the site of another occultic ceremony. Some times they sacrafice animals, and rumors abound of possible sacrafice of things other than animals. Anyway, as it was late in the day, we left and I doubt I'll go back. As I sit here in our living room typing this my dog is sitting in his bed wimpering. My first thought was that he was asleep and having a bad dream, but he is awake. I am not sure what took place at that location in the desert, but I don't think it was good.

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Re: Maybe the strangest thing I remember seeing
« Reply #13 on: January 24, 2010, 08:20:25 PM »
Sundown Holly, that was quite a story. I have spent many years hiking and exploring all over the Southern Cal Desert, also Nevada and Arizona, rock hounding and prospecting. I, too have come upon some spots such as you describe, and have been spooked away from returning there. One such area was at a claim a friend had in the Alvord Mts. It was about 12 miles off the highway, and the last couple of miles are 4WD rough. I came across a bunch that were circled in a small canyon, and there was a "body" staked on the rocky ground inside the circle. Thought sure it was dead, but it moved, and as I hadn't been seen yet, I got out of there real quick. Went back to the road, found a CHP officer, told him about what and where, gave a statement, and left. Never have been contacted, and never have gone back there.
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