POLL - Remington Short Action Mannlicher

[jvs]

Remington might do this if they want to compete against the Custom Shop.

Voting closes in 14 days.

[sniperVLS]

I'm all for something that will spark consumer interest, hope you Mannlicher fans get one

*That doesn't sound right 

[superdown]

left handed hopefully !

[jvs]

One more week to go on this one.

[Brithunter]

Well at least Mannlicher uses a proper action and not a Piece of tube. However I cannot see Remington going back to make proper actions!

So I guess you mean a full stocked rifle?

I wonder why you call that a Mannlicher? the style is popular still in Europe and Mauser made full stocked sporting rifles, Mauser's had a shadow schanbel tip about 6" in front of the action and a proper schanbel tip at the fore tip. Steyr who made Mannlicher's designs also made half stocked rifles. I suppose it was the neat little Schoenauer full stocked carbines that brought about the calling of full stocked rifles "Manlichers". Here they are often reffered to as "Stutzen" I have a BSA CF2 Stutzen rifle which is fill stocked with a Rose Wood schabel tip.

   The only way I would personally buy a Remington Mannlicher rifle is if it had a proper acton like the old model 30's or 720 and not a piece of pipe.

[jvs]

We call it Mannlicher as a proper term to create a picture in the readers mind as to what kind of stock it is... Like a Thumbhole Stock.  Whether it has a Schnabel any where along the forend is immaterial.  And whoever thought if it first isn't important either when it comes to creating a picture.   

Unfortunately, there are thousands of Bench Rest Shooters in the USA that use Remington Actions.  So I suppose Remington does some things right or the Remington actions wouldn't be in demand. There is also an aftermarket for Remington Actions for Custom work.  You may be confusing a Remington Barrel for a Remington Action, that is not the way it was meant.  I would agree that Remington Barrels have much to be desired.  Most Custom work done here will not use a Remington Barrel.  This is why Douglas and Hart (among others) make barrels for such use.

The purpose of this poll is to somehow convince Remington to get into a mass produced Mannlicher market.  For this to happen, a barrel will come with the action and stock.  If you prefer to call it a 'full stock' I doubt anyone would argue with you, but here Mannlicher is the proper term. 

Finally, it is just as well that you wouldn't buy a Remington Action because I doubt they would be available in the UK for Custom work any way.  There have been other domestic and foreign actions that are superior to Remington Actions, but they have mostly been gobbled up.  Custom rifles have also been built out of outdated Military actions such as the Springfield, Mauser and some 'cock on close' British actions.  All of which are getting harder to find. 
 

[kyelkhunter3006]

As long as it's a pretty as the Custom Shop Model Seven....laminated stock and all.   

[mcwoodduck]

I have always liked the Ruger internationals and wish they would make them with out sights.  I think one with a short low powered scope in 308 or 338 Fed would be a great deer rifle.

[Brithunter]

We call it Mannlicher as a proper term to create a picture in the readers mind as to what kind of stock it is... Like a Thumbhole Stock.  Whether it has a Schnabel any where along the forend is immaterial.  And whoever thought if it first isn't important either when it comes to creating a picture.   

Unfortunately, there are thousands of Bench Rest Shooters in the USA that use Remington Actions.  So I suppose Remington does some things right or the Remington actions wouldn't be in demand. There is also an aftermarket for Remington Actions for Custom work.  You may be confusing a Remington Barrel for a Remington Action, that is not the way it was meant.  I would agree that Remington Barrels have much to be desired.  Most Custom work done here will not use a Remington Barrel.  This is why Douglas and Hart (among others) make barrels for such use.

The purpose of this poll is to somehow convince Remington to get into a mass produced Mannlicher market.  For this to happen, a barrel will come with the action and stock.  If you prefer to call it a 'full stock' I doubt anyone would argue with you, but here Mannlicher is the proper term. 

Finally, it is just as well that you wouldn't buy a Remington Action because I doubt they would be available in the UK for Custom work any way.  There have been other domestic and foreign actions that are superior to Remington Actions, but they have mostly been gobbled up.  Custom rifles have also been built out of outdated Military actions such as the Springfield, Mauser and some 'cock on close' British actions.  All of which are getting harder to find. 
 

   Hmm strange as Mannlicher is a registered trade name just as Remington is.

Now unfortunately there are some places that peddle the inferior Remington 700 actions here for custom work. Mainly I suspect for the easily obtainable aftermarket parts. It's also noticable that these "Semi Customs" are hyped up in the Gun magazines which always sets me to wondering knowing full well that if any faults show up they will NOT be reported and only positive things reported because we cannot upset the advertisers now can we!

I enquired with one of these semi custom places who claimed superb accuracy about re-doing the bedding on a rifle of mine and despite they claiming that their work was custom it seems that the customer had no say in how the result would look. As it was a British classic sporting rifle which uses a bedding point at the fore stock tip I wanted to retain that but it seem they can only do free floating. After a little discussion I went to a proper Guns Smith who specialises in regulating rifles both double and single barrels ones and the work is excellent and it's almost impossible to tell visually that it has been re-done and only by shooting it does it show.

Good luck with Remington as from reading the web I see they don't listen much to their customers.

[jvs]

Who said anything about a 700 Action?  I didn't say 700 Action.  I said a Remington Action.  You assumed I meant 700.  I did not. 

As far as Remington not listening to their customers... I never had a problem being heard when I needed something from Remington, but I don't necessarily need Remington to listen.  All any one could hope for is to have one of Remingtons big customers request a Special Run for a few hundred Model 7 Mannlichers from Remington, and Remington will make them.  Maybe not as many calibers as mass production, but a Model 7 Mannlicher all the same.  Remington has the know-how in the Custom Dept.

Either way it will be a winner on the sales floor, because I know I will not pay for a Model 7 Custom Mannlicher at $2,700 +/-.

[Brithunter]

Who said anything about a 700 Action?  I didn't say 700 Action.  I said a Remington Action.  You assumed I meant 700.  I did not. 

As far as Remington not listening to their customers... I never had a problem being heard when I needed something from Remington, but I don't necessarily need Remington to listen.  All any one could hope for is to have one of Remingtons big customers request a Special Run for a few hundred Model 7 Mannlichers from Remington, and Remington will make them.  Maybe not as many calibers as mass production, but a Model 7 Mannlicher all the same.  Remington has the know-how in the Custom Dept.

Either way it will be a winner on the sales floor, because I know I will not pay for a Model 7 Custom Mannlicher at $2,700 +/-.

Model 7, Model 700 apart from a couple of zero's it's still a piece of pipe when you come down to it and no thanks.

[jvs]

Did it ever occur to you that you just might be in the wrong forum?

While I support the idea of relating a personal opinion, I also believe you are either wasting your time here or you take pleasure in harrassing people who have different tastes and experiences than yours regarding Remington.     

But as with most things in todays world, opinions from 'across the pond' have no relevance in American life.   You may fit in with a small percentage of foreign buyers here that don't have a use for Remington for one reason or another, but overall, you are in a very slim, uninformed, foreign minority which bases an opinion on ignorance of the facts.

[Brithunter]

Right forum, but possibly wrong thread, I came looking for information on properly made classic rifles and saw the Mannlicher title and as I have a couple of classic Mannlichers ( Model 1892 & Model 1903) I opened it up and read it.

In particular I am interested in the Remington Model 30 but I don't see much about them here.

uninformed, foreign minority which bases an opinion on ignorance of the facts.

As for being uninformed? well I understand how the Remington rifles are made, as cheaply as possible and seeing as how until a couple of years ago I worked in Engineering and set up and was even learning programming of CNC machining centers so understamd modern production techniques. However using modern techniques does not mean using poor ideas and materials is required. Ignorant? well the American friends I have all seem to have better tastes. Steven was the last to Buy Remington, buying a Model 7 and a 700 both of which had serious quality issues which Remington refused to admit were problems so both were dumped. As for Foreign ......................... yep I am that being English!

[Graybeard]

Guys just ignore the Brit and maybe he'll go away. He has his nose stuck so high up in the air he can't see his waist much less his feet. Folks like him and especially from over there seem to think they are the holders of all knowledge.

Just to show you how much knowledge they have look at their laws and how they deal with crime and gun ownership. Yup they are a shining example of wisdom all right. 

Brit if you don't like this thread get out of it.

[Brithunter]

Ahhh I see the "Jolly fat man" is his usual self.

Just to show you how much knowledge they have look at their laws and how they deal with crime and gun ownership. Yup they are a shining example of wisdom all right.

Yes the UK gun laws are dumb, but then again so are most gun laws full stop and a lot of those in the US are just as dumb if not dumber. Just look at the shining examples the Clinton's make. Oh Bill did a wonderful job teaching our dear Tony, Blair that is, how to fix elections and foddle the books. Just because Parliment passes laws does not mean the normal public agree with them or even voted the Parliment in.

Actually I am surprised that seeing that Mannlicher is a trade name and trade mark that action to protect it has not taken place as I am sure that if I made a gun an called it a Remington action would be taken to stop me using it. Of course being English at least it seems being English in this forum is an undesirable thing and speaking the truth is obviously forbidden. Pity as at least some of the forums interesting and useful information could be gathered, once one had sorted the dross and bull out of it that is.

Bye all!

[jvs]

I never thought of him as the "Jolly Fat Man"

Then again....

I never saw him in a Santa Claus Costume either.

Now that I think about it though, he does have possibilities.