Author Topic: handi 7mm mag (Read 3311 times)

spo · « **on:** January 15, 2008, 10:36:25 AM »

this is a sharp looking gun. does anyone have a report on it? I have a ruger no.1 and was thinking of parting with the ruger and picking up a handi 7mm mag

quickdtoo · « **Reply #1 on:** January 15, 2008, 11:05:44 AM »

They won't be available for a few months yet, see the new for 2008 or 2008 catalog stickys. I'll post a report when I get mine, it's been on backorder since they first showed up on the new price sheets at distributors in November.

Tim

30-06man · « **Reply #2 on:** January 15, 2008, 03:54:29 PM »

I also have one on backorder. It will be a while until I get mine. The shop won't have mine until summer they think. or later.

spo · « **Reply #3 on:** January 18, 2008, 12:43:24 PM »

what is the going price 4 1?

quickdtoo · « **Reply #4 on:** January 18, 2008, 12:56:00 PM »

$290 was what I was quoted at my local shop, RR has it listed for $276 which is about the same after shipping.

Tim

http://rrarms.com/catalog.php?prod=GSB27MM

Fred M · « **Reply #5 on:** January 18, 2008, 01:31:48 PM »

spo.
Quote.

I have a ruger no.1 and was thinking of parting with the ruger and picking up a handi 7mm mag.

If I was close by I buy your Ruger #1 in a heart beat.

What you are doing is like exchanging a Cadillac for a Volkswagen unless you need the money real bad.

30-06man · « **Reply #6 on:** January 18, 2008, 03:02:11 PM »

Quote from: Fred M on January 18, 2008, 01:31:48 PM

spo.
Quote.

I have a ruger no.1 and was thinking of parting with the ruger and picking up a handi 7mm mag.

If I was close by I buy your Ruger #1 in a heart beat.

What you are doing is like exchanging a Cadillac for a Volkswagen unless you need the money real bad.

Nah he just getting the newest Cadillac out their and trading the old one.

spo · « **Reply #7 on:** January 20, 2008, 04:31:03 PM »

I am mostly a bow hunter, when I do gun hunt it's at yardage 100 and under, I figure a handi 7mm can hit deer the same way the ruger can?

myarmor · « **Reply #8 on:** January 20, 2008, 04:39:59 PM »

Man shooting deer at 100yards and under with a 7mmMag!
To each his own I guess.

-Aaron

spo · « **Reply #9 on:** January 20, 2008, 04:42:36 PM »

I don't know where you hunt but I live and hunt new york, I need to drop my deer where I shoot it, or it goes next door and I loose it

myarmor · « **Reply #10 on:** January 20, 2008, 04:54:08 PM »

Well the 7Mag is capable of that I am sure. I have no beef with anyone that shoots the Mags, heck I love them too. And will be getting a 300 WinMag Handi when they come out.
If you are shooting at this range, ever thought of a 45/70 or 444Marlin barrel?
Just curious.

Jimbo47 · « **Reply #11 on:** January 20, 2008, 05:10:39 PM »

Where a 7mm Mag shines is in open country where long shots are more probable than not, such as here in South Texas, as it seems to be the rifle of choice on a lot of deer leases.

The 7 mag and 300 win. mag. are popular where I hunt, since you want to be able to reach out there 250 to 300 yards, and still have the energy to anchor the deer on the spot, and not have a tracking job through the thick thorny snake infested countryside.

For 100+ yard shots a 45-70, or even a 30-30, is hard to beat when it comes to knocking down a deer sized animal.

That said, and nothing against the 7 mag. since I also have one, but my rifle of choice this year was my Handi in 7mm-08, and it dropped my deer in its tracks, and my Remington 7 mag. stayed home!

30-06man · « **Reply #12 on:** January 20, 2008, 05:48:45 PM »

I would get the new 45-70 if I were you.

Fred M · « **Reply #13 on:** January 20, 2008, 06:22:34 PM »

Need 7mm Rem Mag Handi to drop a deer at 100 yrds. Wow! That is really something. But that is better than guys with magnums wounding deer at
5-600 yards and let them get away to rot or whatever.

I too like Magnum rifles and used them a lot, I still have a 300 Win Mag. Though I don't see any need for a Magnum to shoot deer and Antelope, my
three different 25 caliber rifles do just fine the 25-06 is the biggest and it will
drop an Antelope at 400yards in its track. So I did shoot a deer last fall with a 7x57, second time in years I shot a deer with any thing biggger than a 25 cal.

Some of you may know that I use a dealy accurate Handi in 257 Roberts. What a hoot this rifle is, deer beware.

Re: 7mmRem Mag Handi. It remains to be seen how well they will perform
and how long they stand up. With all the deficiencies coming out of the H&R plant I am a bit skeptical.

nomosendero · « **Reply #14 on:** January 21, 2008, 04:23:27 PM »

Quote from: Fred M on January 18, 2008, 01:31:48 PM

spo.
Quote.

I have a ruger no.1 and was thinking of parting with the ruger and picking up a handi 7mm mag.

If I was close by I buy your Ruger #1 in a heart beat.

What you are doing is like exchanging a Cadillac for a Volkswagen unless you need the money real bad.

Yep

rex6666 · « **Reply #15 on:** January 22, 2008, 03:55:58 AM »

It has always been amazing that some folks think it is ok to come in some ones back yard
and start kicking their dog around, especially sence they haven't even seen the dog,
don't know how it hunts, just know that it not good enough.

dumgunny · « **Reply #16 on:** January 22, 2008, 07:16:58 AM »

I don't mean to kick any ones dog, but I did get to witness what a 7mm mag will do to a poor old Oklahoma whitetail of about 100 pounds give or take, from a measured 250yds this season, and well I'll just say that if you like venison, you may feel short changed. Dressing him out wasn't the most fun I ever had either.
From what I can see, none of the "magnums" of 30 cal and under, (or short magnums, or super short magnums, or sooper dooper ultra short magnums, ad nauseum,) will do anything that a hand-loader can't acomplish with a 30/06 with the exception of launching it from a shorter action rifle.
my2¢
DG

Oh, BTW, that old buck was hit broadside through both shoulders liquefying his heart and lungs, and he ran almost 50yds before going down.

That being said, If you are comfortable with the 7mm mag and have confidence in it , by all means! Use it and more power to you! I think the Handi will more than satify your needs.But I wouldn't sell that Ruger untill I was sure I had a handi that will shoot as well as I needed it to. then you can sell the ruger and buy a half dozen Handi's .

McLernon · « **Reply #17 on:** January 22, 2008, 07:29:01 AM »

Deer at 120 yards or less-------------45-70

Mc

Fred M · « **Reply #18 on:** January 22, 2008, 07:45:36 AM »

Iam not kicking anybody's dog around either, beause I have both Handi's and Ruger#1's. To say that these two brands are on the same level of quality is
simply laughable and ill informed.

I also know how much pain in the --s my two Handi's were before I made them shoot not to mention the amount of money and work I spend on them. I could not even sell
them.

I sure hate rubbish in writing.

Sourdough · « **Reply #19 on:** January 22, 2008, 07:50:15 AM »

The Deer I shoot range from 12 to 18 hundred pounds and I for one need the magnum. Looking at the .300 WM as soon as they come out. Plus it will help reach out beyond 500 yards maybe for Wolves. That is the range I am restricted to due to bullet performance in my 30-06 Handi.

Fred M: I agree to a point. My Rugers and my T/Cs are much better in fit and finish, but shootablity the handi matches them shot for shot. All I've done to my two guns that I use for long ranges is put an O-ring under the fore arm and shoot them. I shoot a 30-06 Handi (out to 500 yards) and a .223 Ultra (out to 300Yards). The 06 is used for wolves and Caribou, a Black Bear or Grizzly if I see one. The .223 is used for varmint calling foxes, and coyotes.

rex6666 · « **Reply #20 on:** January 22, 2008, 09:39:20 AM »

we need to keep in mind the cost between the ruger and the handi, not how well they shoot, for the price. some folks SHOULD know about their rubbish, cause they all ways
have plenty of it

Fred M · « **Reply #21 on:** January 22, 2008, 10:50:08 AM »

6666
You obviously don't know how to read nor have the understanding of what I wrote, here is what I wrote.

If I was close by I buy your Ruger #1 in a heart beat.

What you are doing is like exchanging a Cadillac for a Volkswagen unless you need the money real bad.

Is that so hard to understand. No mention of price, likes, preference, just a simple fact.

Mac11700 · « **Reply #22 on:** January 22, 2008, 07:08:23 PM »

WoW...folks already condemning the rifle and it isn't even out yet...Now that's a class act... So damn what if he wants to sell a Ruger #1 and pick up a Handi rifle...I've owned a few #1's and a #3 before too...and while they are pretty darn nice...they aren't the ends to all means by no stretch of the imagination...

It's funny...No one has asked if he hand loads...and there are quite a few reduced loads for the 7mm Mag...are there not? Also...no one has bothered to ask the man why he's trading it or selling it...now have they...Seems like every one feels he should get something else...or not loose the Ruger...Why?...What if he just don't like it?...What the heck...It's just a rifle...and he may want to buy other things with his proceeds...Hell he may need new tires for his vehicle...or shoes for his kids...Why is it folks start trying to change the mans mind when they them selves have never shot a 7mm Mag Handi rifle...?

Come on folks...Give the guy a break...or walk in his shoes before starting griping about what some one else is doing with their property...Not all Handi's are 1/4" shooters...nor are they all as bad as yours were Fred...Let's wait & see how they do before ragging about them for cryin out loud...

Mac

Fred M · « **Reply #23 on:** January 22, 2008, 08:09:43 PM »

Everybody writes up a big storm without reading whats been said.
Here is someting else I said.

Re: 7mmRem Mag Handi. It remains to be seen how well they will
perform and how long they stand up. With all the deficiencies coming out of the
H&R plant I am a bit skeptical.

What is the wrong with that. I hope I am wrong? The magnums are not in the 30-30 class. Just about every new gun that comes to this forum has
something wrong. That is the biggest reason people come here. Is that going to change with the new Magnums and new management or is it going to get worse.

Are the freebores going to get longer and the barrels bores more oversize to cut down pressure. Lets wait and see. Do I have reasons to be skeptical or
do I need to lay down and die.

From the FAQ.
Current production .223 Rem barrels are being made by Marlin with a 1:9"
right-hand twist, lands are .219"-.221" and groove is .2240"-.2255".
A barrel with that last dimension should be scrapped. If a Mag barrel is 0.0015"
bigger than .284 or 308 you got a looser an under powered poor shooter.

Default · « **Reply #24 on:** January 22, 2008, 11:42:48 PM »

Quote from: Fred M on January 18, 2008, 01:31:48 PM

spo.
Quote.

I have a ruger no.1 and was thinking of parting with the ruger and picking up a handi 7mm mag.

If I was close by I buy your Ruger #1 in a heart beat.

What you are doing is like exchanging a Cadillac for a Volkswagen unless you need the money real bad.

HAHAHAHA Fred ya kill me heh ,

But the man has a good point

Of all the toys i have in the play chest i still have not acquired a Ruger #1 ,And it is still on my list

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Jimbo47 · « **Reply #25 on:** January 22, 2008, 11:54:08 PM »

Same here!

As far as single shots go, you have the Ruger #1, and then you have all the rest of the pack following along waaaaaay back there in the distance!

According to this link below, Fred's comment which is an opinion, and everyone has one, but it isn't off base at all!

http://www.chuckhawks.com/ruger_number_1.htm

That said, I've made some poor decisions when it comes to getting rid of something in exchange for another, but not knowing all the circumstances one is left to wonder, but to make such a statement on a forum of knowledgeable gun nuts, and not expect some eyebrows to be raised is asking a little too much, and although I didn't comment at that time, I too had the same reaction!

mitchell · « **Reply #26 on:** January 23, 2008, 08:17:26 AM »

Quote from: Mac11700 on January 22, 2008, 07:08:23 PM

WoW...folks already condemning the rifle and it isn't even out yet...Now that's a class act...

well you know how we are.

Mac11700 · « **Reply #27 on:** January 23, 2008, 08:44:52 AM »

I understand mitchell...but that still isn't a reason to condemn the rifle or the guys choice of caliber...Heck...it that was the case...then this forum shouldn't even be here with all of the BS that has been reported about these rifles over the years......I've personally traded a bunch of over priced ill fitting not need or wanted rifles in my day...I've also just traded rifles for S&G's...It ain't a big deal to me...I don't have to keep every rifle I buy or trade for...I'm not that way...and neither are a whole bunch of other people...all you have to do is to look on many a gun rack in stores to see this...While this may not seem prudent to many here...it is a fact of life...How else would those that aren't get a good deal on some that are traded out...?Sometimes I just get bored and want something new...or want something I haven't had before...ya know...and since most of these little rifles are good shooters...why shouldn't he? I'll probably wind up with both the 7mm Mag & the 300 Win Mag when they are available...I don't know if I'll keep them...but never the less...I'll get both...

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From the FAQ.
Current production .223 Rem barrels are being made by Marlin with a 1:9"
right-hand twist, lands are .219"-.221" and groove is .2240"-.2255".
A barrel with that last dimension should be scrapped. If a Mag barrel is 0.0015"
bigger than .284 or 308 you got a looser an under powered poor shooter.

How many 223 barrels do you know of Fred that needs to be scrapped...? I would venture to say many here think very highly of their 223's...no matter what you feel should or shouldn't be toss out...and I doubt the majority of the 223's NEF has made are that loose in tolerances..some for sure...but not many in over all production....otherwise the bulk of folks that own & shoot them would be getting the accuracy these 223's are known for

Mac

safetysheriff · « **Reply #28 on:** January 23, 2008, 05:29:22 PM »

Quote from: spo on January 15, 2008, 10:36:25 AM

this is a sharp looking gun. does anyone have a report on it? I have a ruger no.1 and was thinking of parting with the ruger and picking up a handi 7mm mag

i'm going to dare ask: how important is the look of a Handi'? many rifles look very decent....to me at least. so the next, and most important question becomes, which is more/most accurate. (in reality, only accurate rifles are interesting, as the man once said years ago....) since you "was thinking" of parting with the ruger that seemingly asks for an opinion. my opinion: i would not trade a Ruger-built, falling-block action, with Ruger's excellent metallurgy and decent accuracy for anybody's standing-breech, single-shot rifle. i would not trade the Ruger advantages above for an entry-level, button-rifled barrel on the Handi' frame. i would not recommend a button-rifled barrel for ANY hotrod cartridge, unless i was sinfully spiteful of the buyer!

i love Handi's, for accuracy and price, so far. But, the Ruger is a long ways ahead of the form and function of the Handi'. that's why it costs so much more and yet continues to sell. those in the know will tell you that a properly-built, falling-block action is capable of excellent accuracy. that's why the Ruger is also built in both 'accuracy' and 'stopper' calibers. the .458 Lott tells you that the Ruger #1 is built bank-vault strong. its availability in .300 weatherby mag' tells you it is also intended to reach out with big game, long-range accuracy.

keep the Ruger, i'd say. and buy a Handi' in 7mm-08 in case you run into a fair-sized black bear while deer hunting.

blessings upon you,

ss'

Fred M · « **Reply #29 on:** January 23, 2008, 07:17:39 PM »

S.S.
I like what you wrote because it addresses the subject. While some of the writing got out of hand and not dealing with what was said. I am well versed with the Ruger falling block rifles since I own four. Non I bought new, one is nearly 30 years old a 25-06 it is the best shooter of the four. groups of three
at 1/4" at 100 are not uncommon. The rifle that shoots the biggest group is a 7x57 at 3/4" I made it up from parts. It is a beauty with fine wood. All the stocks are of real well grained walnut.

So when I said I buy the man's Ruger#1 in a heart beat, I ment it. I would even round up a new 7mm H&R Magnum and throw it in with the deal with some money to boot. Alas I am In Canada and would not be able to do it.

Is everything well again in the family.
Bless your soul.