Author Topic: PD Shoot 2008 (Read 2642 times)

TonerGuy · « **on:** January 17, 2008, 07:33:54 AM »

I'd like to say hello to everyone, I heard about this site from someone on the Oklahoma Shooters Association site. I am very excited about this year's PD shoot, it's sounds like the best of times and hope I will be able to get on the list before it fills up! Besides a rifle/ammo what else would you guys recommend to bring?

Wingman26 · « **Reply #1 on:** January 17, 2008, 08:41:12 AM »

The main thing you need is a rifle with optics appropriate for shooting from 100 to 400 yards, a portable shooting table, and lots of ammo.

TonerGuy · « **Reply #2 on:** January 17, 2008, 09:08:08 AM »

Guess I'll start shopping for a portable bench then

Is 400 about the max range you guy's shoot em at?

d_hiker · « **Reply #3 on:** January 17, 2008, 09:16:27 AM »

The second time we went to South Dakota to shoot p-dogs they were a little spooky and we felt that 250 to 300 yards was close. We were shooting and hitting them all the way out to 600 yards. Get to know your rifle and ammo and how it behaves at long ranges, don't go by ballistic tables only. Binoculars are a big help for spotting.

The first time we were in SD most shots were in the 200 to 400 yard range with some opportunities for 75 to 150 yard shots with rimfires (.22lr, .17HMR, .22Mag)

Ditchdigger · « **Reply #4 on:** January 17, 2008, 10:37:01 AM »

I like to start out with the 22 mags and 17 HMR's.Then pull out the 223's and 222's for out to 300 yds. After that its time for the 22 250's and 220 Swifts. The 204's are nearly as good as the 22 250's and the 243's just as good as the 220 Swift.with the lighter bullets.Most of the shooting is within 500 yds. mostly 250 to 350 yds. Digger

TonerGuy · « **Reply #5 on:** January 17, 2008, 11:16:31 AM »

All I have is a .308 that I shoot out to 800 as often as possible.

stimpylu32 · « **Reply #6 on:** January 17, 2008, 11:27:02 AM »

Tonerguy

The down side to the 30 cal is that many times there are buildings or other things that are just too close for them and the heavy bullets that they throw , i did take my 30/30 last year but used some 90 grany Hornady HPS in my handloads .

The 17 & 22 cal are much better choices for p-dogs .

stimpy

Graybeard · « **Reply #7 on:** January 17, 2008, 12:31:27 PM »

You are definitely gonna need a smaller caliber rifle. There will be many places you will NOT be able to use that .308 safely and you can betcha the folks running it are NOT gonna let you use it in those places.

The first thing you need to do is get you a .224" or smaller caliber rifle to use. You'll need a rangefinder and binoculars in addition to the shooting bench and some sandbags to use on it.

Wingman26 · « **Reply #8 on:** January 17, 2008, 12:35:06 PM »

With a 308 ricochets can be a problem, the centerfire 22s and smaller the bullets pretty much blow up when the hit something, so ricochets aren't much of a problem with them.

TonerGuy · « **Reply #9 on:** January 17, 2008, 01:37:22 PM »

What make, model and caliber would be a good PD stick?

PHATINJUN · « **Reply #10 on:** January 17, 2008, 04:03:33 PM »

Let's see...NEF/H&R GBO Prairie Dog Shoot .There's your sign. 204,223,22-250 there's your medicine. I did get to shoot my 17MII some last yr could of shot a 17HMR a bunch if I had one with . Kurt

TonerGuy · « **Reply #11 on:** January 17, 2008, 04:34:17 PM »

looking at the Savage 12BVSS in a 22-250, would appreciate any input on it?

Graybeard · « **Reply #12 on:** January 17, 2008, 06:04:36 PM »

Like the man said this shoot is the NEF/H&R Prairie Dog shoot. Ya gotta bring an NEF/H&R with ya. Don't have to be the ONLY thing ya bring but it is for the NEF/H&R Handirifle folks here at the site that this shoot is being held.

So you do mean what else IN ADDITION to your handi to bring right? Since this is an NEF forum ya really need to take that discussion of the other brand to that forum.

PHATINJUN · « **Reply #13 on:** January 17, 2008, 07:26:32 PM »

Since you are looking at a 22-250 I could see trying to find one of the last discontinued ss Handi's with laminated thumb hole stock that sure would be a winner to start out with. Some body slap me I'm dreaming again

Kurt

Ditchdigger · « **Reply #14 on:** January 18, 2008, 04:54:21 AM »

It is a H&R NEF shoot,but there's probably more bolt guns there than Handi's. I always carry my Handi,but it has'nt been shot in the last 2 PD shoots. There's been more and more AR's showing up lately,and even the 2 host are shooting AR's. If you can swing it,bring a 17 HMR for the first hr. of shooting.I carry a Ruger in 220 Swift,CZ in 204,Savage in 204,and a Rem. in 222. The first yr.when the host (Wes) showed up early in the morning,his first words where"where's all the Handi's".It seems like nearly everyone had a bolt gun ready to do battle with the PD's.

Every one brings at least 1 Handi though. Digger

TonerGuy · « **Reply #15 on:** January 18, 2008, 05:53:18 AM »

Sorry guy's I didn't mean any disrespect but I'm new to the PD thing and have never heard of a "handi" before? I'm into IPSC and tactical type shooting and have always wanted to hunt PD's and this shoot sounds like a great one to attend!

quickdtoo · « **Reply #16 on:** January 18, 2008, 05:57:30 AM »

A "Handi" is a generic term for NEF/H&R Handi-rifles or Ultras.

Tim

http://www.hr1871.com/Firearms/Rifles/youth.aspx

NEF/H&R Centerfire Rifle Forum

Graybeard · « **Reply #17 on:** January 18, 2008, 06:45:57 AM »

Quote from: TonerGuy on January 18, 2008, 05:53:18 AM

Sorry guy's I didn't mean any disrespect but I'm new to the PD thing and have never heard of a "handi" before? I'm into IPSC and tactical type shooting and have always wanted to hunt PD's and this shoot sounds like a great one to attend!

As I said this is NOT a generic PD hunt for GBO members. It is a hunt for the folks who regularly hang out on the NEF/H&R Forum here at GBO. It was started that way and I really think should remain that way. It's NOT for me to say as that is controlled by the hosts of the event but they still call it the NEF/H&R Prairie Dog Hunt so it seems to me that if you have zero interest in handi rifles it would be most appropriate to either develop an interest or find a different PD shoot to attend. That's just my view and does not supercede the views of the event hosts who are the final word on such matters.

lik2hunt · « **Reply #18 on:** January 21, 2008, 01:48:57 AM »

tonerguy -- WELCOME!
I carry an Ultra Varmint .223 Handi Rifle to the PD shoots in Hooker and usually shoot it quite a bit. In fact it's my choice out to about 200 yards. I also bring a Savage 22-250, a Ruger 220 Swift, and a Savage 17HMR. So ya see, we handiholics are not sold out to Handis only. Like Digger said, ya kinda have to choose calibers according to ranges and environment. Start with something small and quiet, then you can "upsize" as the situations demand. Cattle and roads and homes within a close proximity to the PD towns are the most significant concerns. 17's to 6mm are the best choices for PD shooting in OKla. I beleive. You can email me off forum and we can talk more if ya like. I'm at.............
bestfndrguy@yahoo.com

snowbelt45 · « **Reply #19 on:** January 21, 2008, 03:02:28 PM »

Much to my wife's dismay, I have purchased a couple of more barrels and calibers for this years hunt, like I really needed them. I added a 204 ruger and .22 K-Hornet to the arsenal. Also bringing the .17 Remington and .223 in 15" and 23" barrel lengths. Has anybody talked to Dan lately? Would like to be able to set my vacation up for whatever dates are chosen.

Snowbelt

thayer · « **Reply #20 on:** January 21, 2008, 04:56:42 PM »

Hi Toner Guy- things to consider when choosing between cals are recoil, how the cal stands up to wind, and cost of ammo. You are going to shoot a lot if the weather is right, and mostly in the wind. Heavy recoil all day can take some of the fun away and result in less accuracy. Recoil that takes you off of the target also makes it hard to correct for a miss on a second shot. Last year I used a 22 mag with the Federal 30gr hollowpoints early in the day for close targets, out to 150 or so with great success (zeroed at 125). I stepped up to a 222 next for 150 to 300 and had good luck with it as well. Both of those have hardly any recoil so you can see the shot impact which is half the fun. For longer shots I had both a 204 and a 22-250. The 204 recoils less than the 22-250,but is pushed around more by the wind, at least I thought so. However I'm going to have a better trigger in the 204 the next time which should help the accuracy. The 22-250 did ok at the longer ranges too, but the recoil did make it harder to stay on the target. I don't think I would try my 243 because the recoil would pull me off the target too much. All rifles except the 22mag had bull/target barrels, and a light crisp trigger is equally important along with a scope that remains clear at higher magnifications for those longer shots. Those are my thoughts after 1 trip. Note.....free advice is worth exactly what you pay for it!!!!!!! I do hope my ramblings were of some benefit.
I hope we both get on the list so I can meet you in OK.
Thayer

TonerGuy · « **Reply #21 on:** January 31, 2008, 05:55:28 PM »

Quote from: thayer on January 21, 2008, 04:56:42 PM

Hi Toner Guy- things to consider when choosing between cals are recoil, how the cal stands up to wind, and cost of ammo. You are going to shoot a lot if the weather is right, and mostly in the wind. Heavy recoil all day can take some of the fun away and result in less accuracy. Recoil that takes you off of the target also makes it hard to correct for a miss on a second shot. Last year I used a 22 mag with the Federal 30gr hollowpoints early in the day for close targets, out to 150 or so with great success (zeroed at 125). I stepped up to a 222 next for 150 to 300 and had good luck with it as well. Both of those have hardly any recoil so you can see the shot impact which is half the fun. For longer shots I had both a 204 and a 22-250. The 204 recoils less than the 22-250,but is pushed around more by the wind, at least I thought so. However I'm going to have a better trigger in the 204 the next time which should help the accuracy. The 22-250 did ok at the longer ranges too, but the recoil did make it harder to stay on the target. I don't think I would try my 243 because the recoil would pull me off the target too much. All rifles except the 22mag had bull/target barrels, and a light crisp trigger is equally important along with a scope that remains clear at higher magnifications for those longer shots. Those are my thoughts after 1 trip. Note.....free advice is worth exactly what you pay for it!!!!!!! I do hope my ramblings were of some benefit.
I hope we both get on the list so I can meet you in OK.
Thayer

Hey Thayer and everyone else thanks for all the advice! Thayer where bouts do you live? That's one of the great things about gatherings like this is meeting all the friendly people that attend them! I hear ya about choosing the right caliber there's so many choices it can make you crazy, I have never shot at PD's before and didn't realize there would be structures or such in the immediate area? I shoot a Surgeon 308 tactical with a suppressor which makes it about as loud as a 22lr when using regular loads. It has very low recoil due to the weight of it so it's a enjoyable gun to shoot all day because of that and the noise level but would not be a good choice for flat open areas and no backstop with things around you don't want to shoot! I would still like to make this shoot and check out the Handi's, might be one in my future? I could always bring my AR carbine and pop a few up close before they sound the air raid sirens and run for cover!

Wingman26 · « **Reply #22 on:** February 01, 2008, 10:38:02 AM »

You can't use suppressors when hunting in Oklahoma, ODWC regulations prohibit it.

quickdtoo · « **Reply #23 on:** February 01, 2008, 10:45:05 AM »

You can't own a suppressed firearm in some states, others have varying degrees of legality.

Tim

http://www.westernfirearms.com/wfc/default?set=06

Wingman26 · « **Reply #24 on:** February 01, 2008, 11:43:16 AM »

Suppressors are legal in Oklahoma, you just can't use them for hunting.

tracker370 · « **Reply #25 on:** February 05, 2008, 01:01:01 PM »

Do we have any information as to when and where for this year's shoot?