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Re: Scoping my Marlins
« Reply #30 on: February 14, 2008, 02:33:45 PM »
I hate those mounts too!  I once took a nasty whack above my eye while using those see-thrus and shooting with the iron sights. No more!  A quality low power scope is faster than irons, and gives you precision at longer range. It also allows a low mount that improves cheek weld. Personally, I have no need for a scope greater than 4x at the top end for a lever gun, but that's just me.

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Re: Scoping my Marlins
« Reply #31 on: April 20, 2008, 12:23:34 PM »
For my Marlins and Handi-rifles, I have gone to the Weaver K2.5's from Natchez.  They fit real good for the 444, 45.70, 35 Rem. and the others.  Just like the look of the small objective up front.  I have a scout setup on my 1894C right now.  works quite well also.  Got one of the Browning 2-7 X 32's on a Handi 7mm-08.  Thinking of putting it on the BLR in the same caliber and putting that Nikon 1.5x5 monarch on the 35 Rem. (1957 manufacture according to the serial number).  Also have 4 of the new Simmons 3-9 Pro-Hunters that are quite clear and all settings seem to be right on the money.  Just to let you know I will spend some $, I also have a Ziess on my 257 Weatherby.  Sightron SB-11 with BDC is going on a 223.  In the last few years I think they have made some real strides in the new scopes.  Have several red-dot scopes as well and like them except worry about the batteries going out during a hunt in the cold weather.  DP.
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Re: Scoping my Marlins
« Reply #32 on: April 20, 2008, 02:22:18 PM »
I also like a fixed powder 2&1/2 to 4 power. My favorite being the old 3x leupold. Every time I find one for sale, I gladly pay the asking price. Yes they are that good. I like the fixed 6x also for some applications. In a varible a 2-7 is all I ever needed. The new Burris short mag scopes are really nice with the 2-7 being the one I would pick. Regards, Byron
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Re: Scoping my Marlins
« Reply #33 on: April 25, 2008, 06:45:39 PM »
I'm of the mind that I can't spend $300 on a scope for a $400-500 dollar gun! All but my Springfield .22(Bushnell 3x9) wear Simmons scopes! The most expensive was the pistol scope for my SRH 454 at $125!!  The Bushnell came with my 110 Savage package gun. I just replaced it with an 8 point Simmons and never looked back. Scopes have come along way since I started hunting , but paying premium dollars for a name is just not me! Never have, never will.  Though my scopes my not be by the top names in scopes - I have no problems putting the lead where it needs to be every time in any kind of weather!! And it still amazes me that my under $1000 guns still kill the deer/bear/elk just as dead as the guys that have $4000-7000 dollar riggs!
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Re: Scoping my Marlins
« Reply #34 on: April 25, 2008, 09:27:01 PM »
Very little of my life is spent hunting.  I want things to work.  I want POI to be the same in the field as it was last week at the range.  I want clear, bright optics that are functional at dawn and dusk when shooting is most likely.  I don't want fuzz on the edges of the field of view, or optical flaws that cause me to not see an animal coming into the field of view until it is to late.

I have seen to much lost game and ruined hunts caused by cheap scopes to think that they are much of a value.  To each their own.
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Re: Scoping my Marlins
« Reply #35 on: April 29, 2008, 06:23:47 PM »
Had a Leupold 1-4X20 on a AO scout mount with Weaver rings.  Had problems with seeing thru scope at game out to 150 or more.  If I dialed the power up, to much paralax. Nice low mount though, almost as tight cheek weld as iron sights.

Went to A Leu. 2-7X33.  Higher rings but I have better visibility at range now. With the better clearer magnification and the Happy Trigger I'm shooting a lot better now.  Not as good a cheek weld but you cant have everythig!

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Re: Scoping my Marlins
« Reply #36 on: April 30, 2008, 01:52:02 AM »
I killed a bunch of deer with a Tasco 4-16.  It worked good for then.  Now I have better glass, not world class glass but better.  It works better.  It gets me through some of the darker periods.  I NEED a world class scope to hunt hogs, badger, fox here in Germany at night.  Heck in the US we get 30 min before and after daylight.  Here we get 1.5 hrs before and after for deer.  Others we can hunt all night.  Even a full moon doesn't give THAT much light.  I'm saving for a really good scope but have a long way to go.  My VAri-x III 3.5x10 50mm works pretty good but isn't as good as my bud's 56mm Swarovski.  Now he's a Colonel and I'm a MSgt with 4 kids so it'll probably take me another 6-10 months to save up that kind of cash.  When you have to make sure of a good shot on the right animal of the right age group of the right sex at mid-night... you can't go wrong with the best glass you can possibly afford!  The fees cost too much here to shoot the wrong pig.  A big boar might cost you 500Euro in fees ($750).  A yearling is usually free.  A sow will cost you a bunch to sometimes.  You have to make sure you shoot what you are told that you can shoot.  If you don't you have to pay more and probably won't get invited back.  You also make a bad name for American hunters.  Really good glass helps prevent problems.


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Re: Scoping my Marlins
« Reply #37 on: May 01, 2008, 04:49:47 AM »
With optics there is no such thing as cheap and good.  When you cut the cost you have to give up features.  It may be the ability to gather and pass through light, it may be clarity at the edge, it may be lighter weight supports for cross hairs, it may be lighter, cheaper mechanical structure, or combinations of all these things.  If your application doesn't require as much then perhaps you can get by with less.  Trouble is what do you do when you have spent thousands of dollars for the hunting trip of a lifetime, and another eight hundred on just the right rifle and find out when you are on stand that the $99 bargain scope has decided it is time to fail.

When ever I have gone with cheap in the past I have soon regretted it.  You need to do what you want.

Many years ago (30+) I needed a knife but was a very poor student at the time.  I bought an inexpensive Shrade folder.  When I could afford better I got less and less careful with the Schrade, thinking that if it broke I’d get a better knife.  I’ve gone through more expensive knives since them but still have the Schrade.

In 1982 I bought my first centerfire rifle, a 7mm Rem Mag.  For the next 20 years it was my only bolt gun and went elk hunting every year.  During the off season I did a lot of load development and target shooting.  The scope for all those years was a Bushnell Sportview 3-9, about $35 when I bought it.  The gun dealer I got it and the rifle from pointed out that it was inexpensive enough that I wouldn’t be out much I it broke and that it was easily replaced.  He was right on both counts.  The Bushnell worked well during daylight hours but wasn’t so good at dawn or dusk.  Nevertheless it lasted those 20 years, surviving a couple brutal falls (one of which cost me a couple broken ribs) and a number of lesser events.  The Bushnell finally went on another rifle. 

The point is that inexpensive doesn’t necessarily mean it isn’t rugged.
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Re: Scoping my Marlins
« Reply #38 on: May 01, 2008, 06:52:24 AM »
Optics are inexpensive for a reason.  They don't have the quality material or workmanship the more expensive models do.  While your inexpensive scope didn't break, you even say that it didn't work well at dawn and dusk.  Where many of us hunt that is prime time. 

I think 20 years ago your Bushnell was Japanese, where now the inexpensive scopes are coming from China.  I have a real problem witht he inconsistent quality.  I bought a BSA scope a while ago, and looked through a bunch of them before I found one that was clear out to the edges of the glass. 

And again, I won't risk ruining a hunt over saving a few bucks on optics.  It is not worth it to me.  You need to do what works for you.
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Re: Scoping my Marlins
« Reply #39 on: May 01, 2008, 12:29:04 PM »
… While your inexpensive scope didn't break, you even say that it didn't work well at dawn and dusk.  Where many of us hunt that is prime time. 


True enough, It wasn’t the best at dusk or dawn, and I did a lot of hunting during those periods over the 20 years that scope was on the 7mm RM.  Number of animals lost/shots not fired during that time due to the scope?  ZERO.

The scope wasn’t great but it was certainly adequate.

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And again, I won't risk ruining a hunt over saving a few bucks on optics.  It is not worth it to me.  You need to do what works for you.

You might say I’m in the data protection business and one thing everyone agrees on is that two copies of your data is better than one – no matter how good the equipment is that the data resides on, things can and often do go wrong and data loss is often the result.

The same thing is true with rifles and scope combinations - there are any number of things that can go wrong that render the combination useless.  The better insurance is NOT an expensive rifle and scope, regardless of quality, but rather having TWO rifle/scope combinations that are “adequate”.

I don’t buy Bushnell Sportviews or other cheapo scopes these days, but I don’t buy Swarovski or Zeiss, either.  Most of my scopes are Leupold Vari-X III, Vari-X II and M8’s that I bought used.  The new scopes I’ve been purchasing lately are Burris Fullfield II Ballistic Plex - three so far with another or a Nikon Buckmaster with a BDC reticle likely for my latest .30-06.  Not “great” scopes by today’s standards, but certainly far more than “adequate”.

That said, the Bushnell Sportview provided excellent service for over 20 years so how can I complain?  My choice at the time was to spend more of my limited  money on the rifle and less on the scope and I have no regrets at all.  It turned out the scope was very much like that Schrade knife I couldn’t break or even lose – it was always there and I could always depend on it.  Not great, but “adequate”.

By the way, the Bushnell Sportview scope is long gone but the rifle, wearing a more than adequate Simmons Aetec 2.8-10x for the last 6 years or so, still goes hunting. 

Speaking for big game rifles, the fact is that once you reach a certain level of quality in a scope, incrementally spending more money gets you less and less in terms of practical advantage.  Zeiss glass on my 7mm RM would have resulted in ZERO additional game being taken over what I took with the Bushnell Sportview, although I could have seen some animals more clearly.  These days reasonably good glass with a lifetime warranty and a relatively modest price tag works for me and if I ding such scopes up I don’t worry about it.

Like you, I don’t care to risk a hunt over poor optics, or even over good optics.  That’s why I ALWAYS take a backup rifle and scope.   

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Re: Scoping my Marlins
« Reply #40 on: May 01, 2008, 12:41:49 PM »
By the way, my Marlins are scoped as follows:

Warne Maxima Quick Disconnect rings and bases on all.
Williams FireSight front bead on all.

.30-30 - Leupold Vari-X II 2-7x33 (purchased used)
.375 Win - Leupold M8 4x (purchased used)
.45-70 - Leupold VX II 2-7x33 (purchased new)
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Re: Scoping my Marlins
« Reply #41 on: May 01, 2008, 01:01:50 PM »
The last three scopes I bought are a Bushnell 3200, a Leupold, and a Nikon.  And for what it's worth on my Marlin I have an old Tasco World Class (Japanese) that works well in the dawn/dusk.  I wouldn't use one of the current crop.  I don't spend the money for the super expensive scopes either, so we agree on that.  And I also have a backup when hunting.
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Re: Scoping my Marlins
« Reply #42 on: May 01, 2008, 02:33:08 PM »
By the way, my Marlins are scoped as follows:

Warne Maxima Quick Disconnect rings and bases on all.
Williams FireSight front bead on all.

.30-30 - Leupold Vari-X II 2-7x33 (purchased used)
.375 Win - Leupold M8 4x (purchased used)
.45-70 - Leupold VX II 2-7x33 (purchased new)

I agree with yote hunter, the compact scopes were made for lever guns. The larger scopes (40mm and larger) look top heavy on a lever. I'm not sure a larger scope is needed. My levers are pretty much decked out like coyote hunter. Some of my Marlins have Veri-X II 2-7x33 and some have the scout system on them with 2.5 Leupold Scout scope. Others have peep sights and others are buck horn sights. This question of what scope to use on a 30-30 or a 45-70 is really determined by what the application of that particular rifle will be. I even use a 2-7x33 shotgun scope on one of my 30-30 with a heavy reticule for thick wooded areas.
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Re: Scoping my Marlins
« Reply #43 on: May 03, 2008, 02:23:07 AM »
I have a compact Weaver K3 1.5x3x20mm set on a low mount using Weaver rings.  I had it set on See-Thru mounts and it just flat out looked FUGLY and really I saw no use for the see thru mounts.  Personally I hate a scope on a leaver gun, BUT my eyes tell me I need one if I'm going to be accurate.  Oh sure I can hit a paper plate at 100 yards with all my shots, but the holes just are not consistant, and I just don't want to be shooting "MOD" (Minute of Deer) when I'm hunting.

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Re: Scoping my Marlins
« Reply #44 on: May 03, 2008, 11:12:22 AM »
Montanan-
Love that "minute of deer" illustration! It's priceless! I, too, don't care for the looks of scopes on leverguns, however, I, too, have reached that point where being able to see is less vain than holding on to the irons. I use the Redfield JR's on my Marlin94 and my Winchester BB94 and, until I can afford another scope, I can switch between the two rifles with little difficulty. What little change in poi simply parallels the different level of performance between the 41mag and the 356Win. Not a problem to me. Windage is all in the mounts and elevation is set for the 356Win. The 41mag I simply compensate for.

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Re: Scoping my Marlins
« Reply #45 on: May 21, 2008, 02:25:38 PM »
Swampman, I am  hung up on 20mm tubes for my lever guns.  I just don't think a large objective bell looks good on a Marlin.  When I need a scope, I go online and look for an older El Paso manufactured Weaver.  They still do service on them, and I always send the 'new' scope in for a going over.  Most of the time, I have a post reticle installed.  My favorite Weavers are the V4.5 variables, like this one on my Marlin 1894S.
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Re: Scoping my Marlins
« Reply #46 on: July 01, 2008, 05:15:57 AM »
I just bought a good used 1895 off AuctionArms. Looks to be in excellent shape, and comes with a Bushnell 4-12 scope mounted on see-thru rings, and a sling. It has the 22" barrel, and curved butt plate. Got it for $375 + $25 S&H. The first thing I'm going to have to do is put a good quality butt pad on it. I am a big fan of scopes with multiple reticles or mil-dots, and the .45-70 is a cartridge that could really use one. It has plenty of power to reach way out there, and the Marlin has the accuracy to back it up, but the trajectory really stinks. I may take those see-thru's off, but I'm going to try them first. Even with my 50-some year old eyes, I think I could hit what I'm aiming at with those buckhorn sights out to 50 yards, then have something like a fixed 6 power multiple reticle scope to use from 100 out to possibly 400 yards. This setup may not work if the scope is so high the stock slaps my cheek when I shoot it. Any of you guys have any experience shooting the 45-70 with the tall see-thru mounts? If the see-thru's don't work, I'll probably take them off and mount a compact 1.5-5 power multi-reticle scope on it.
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Re: Scoping my Marlins
« Reply #47 on: July 02, 2008, 01:51:08 AM »
AJ., where can you find a low-power scope with multi-reticle features?  I think the manufactures are missing the boat on this with all us "over 50" guys that need a little help with the seeing.  Just in my own collection, I have 357, 44, 45colt, 454 casull, 35 rem, 30-30, 7-30 waters, 444 marlin, 38-55, and last but not least the 45-70 that could all use something like that.  DP.
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Re: Scoping my Marlins
« Reply #48 on: July 04, 2008, 06:34:33 AM »
I know that the Pentax Gameseekers have multi point reticles in them, 1.5-5, 1.5-6, 4x and 6x models being the lower power ones.

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Re: Scoping my Marlins
« Reply #49 on: July 28, 2008, 03:19:38 PM »
Yes, Mueller's are made in China.

I wont buy another Chineese scope . I mad mistake of buying a Barska product , what garbage .This piece of junk is soo crappy that it makes Tasco look like a Zeiss or Leupold. Long story short I took it off the rifle and shot it with my other one ......satisfaction!
You get what you pay for . IMO products that are made in China are made there for one reason , low manufacturing cost.
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