How do you feel about the new changes with H&R/NEF?

[myarmor]

I am not usually much of one for surveys, and it's still way to early to draw many conclusions as news of the buying out is still fresh.
But I figure sense, for the most part, we are a talkative bunch and don't mind expressing our views, and with the news of Remington now the new boss, new Magnum chamberings, and dropping several offerings such as muzzleloaders and combos, what do ya think?
How do you feel about the recent news and goings on around H&R/NEF?





-Aaron

[knight0334]

Please dont flame me for saying this, but - I didn't understand why they even continued production of the muzzleloaders as long as they did.   You can get a cheap inline or "Buckhunter" anymore for less than $150.   I've seen percussion front stuffers in Walmart for $59.98 for the last 3-4 years.

Looks like I'm gonna have to find a smoke pole barrel though before they become a rare item.

[crimsontalon]

From what has gone on so far doesn't look like a lot is going to change,but it is still early in the game.Hopefully this will be a good thing.

[OR-E-Gun Bill]

Having been involved in two corporate acquisitions during my working career and seeing what can happen to the smaller, family owned type businesses and it's employees, I've become more of a realist.
Cerberus Capital, in it's giant gobble of firearms companies, given the right internal leadership (anti-gun), ie. Bill Gates Foundation types, could influence the firearms industry in a very negative direction.
optimist: one who's glass is always half full.
pessimist: one who's glass is always half empty.
realist: one who has a glass of water and knows someone will come along and knock over the glass and it will have to be filled with water again.
Guess I'll wait and see...

Bill



 

[PHATINJUN]

I think it's way to early to know or guess/I just get scared when the giant money makers take over you never know whether they are there to suck the money or make some money and improve the company. Hell it's still to early to tell with the SW/TC move. I guess that a wait and see.Kurt

[rex6666]

Well as usual i must have missed some thing.
All i have heard is Marlin, H&R and NEF have been bought out, have not heard of any other changes.
WHAT IT IS!

[skifastchad]

In today's lawsuit happy society, all the small American arms makers are all selling out to the big players, and they need to in order to survive what is in store.  Mark my words, the anti's are going to be bringing some huge class action lawsuits to the table against gun makers.  Without the power and money of companies like Remington and S&W, the smaller companies like T/C and H&R would never survive after a $100M lawsuit.
H&R has been making our beloved guns for 137 years now and they still don't even have a safety!!!  That fact alone would be enough to shut down a small gun maker in a lawsuit.  Hopefully the Remington lawyers and engineers can explain full trigger pull and transfer bars to a jury.

Yes, some caliber offerings and smokepoles are no longer offered, but the market is saturated with them and you will always be able to find nice used ones.   As long as Hillary doesn't repeal the first amendment and shut down all internet forums, this site will be a wealth of information and have plenty of purveyors of handi rifle parts.

[knight0334]

In today's lawsuit happy society, all the small American arms makers are all selling out to the big players, and they need to in order to survive what is in store.  Mark my words, the anti's are going to be bringing some huge class action lawsuits to the table against gun makers.  Without the power and money of companies like Remington and S&W, the smaller companies like T/C and H&R would never survive after a $100M lawsuit.
H&R has been making our beloved guns for 137 years now and they still don't even have a safety!!!  That fact alone would be enough to shut down a small gun maker in a lawsuit.  Hopefully the Remington lawyers and engineers can explain full trigger pull and transfer bars to a jury.

Yes, some caliber offerings and smokepoles are no longer offered, but the market is saturated with them and you will always be able to find nice used ones.   As long as Hillary doesn't repeal the first amendment and shut down all internet forums, this site will be a wealth of information and have plenty of purveyors of handi rifle parts.

Well, if they cant explain that - I can explain Darwin's Natural Selection. ...which should clear things up in a hurry.  lol

[OR-E-Gun Bill]

Well as usual i must have missed some thing.
All i have heard is Marlin, H&R and NEF have been bought out, have not heard of any other changes.
WHAT IT IS!

Remington Arms Co. acquired by Cerberus Capital - April 2007
Also on the list of firearms manufacturers:
Cerberus Capital acquires DPMS 
Cerberus Capital acquires Bushmaster

[fernie]

Here’s the deal.  I grew up in a time and place that was pretty much ideal.  I grew up poor.  When I wasn't working I walked the woods in summer and fed on wild berries and nuts.  I learned to hunt.  I observed all the ways of plants and animals.  I became respectfully a part of it all.  I never saw another person.  I had the time of my life.  I went and worshiped God on Sunday.  I left that all behind for a while, got more of an education than I now know what to do with, and climbed to the top of the pile…and then I woke up one day and realized I had lost my soul.  I sold everything I had, paid my debts, and I went home broke.  My corporate friends thought I had lost my mind.  A couple of years ago a visitor came through and said, ‘You’ve got a great collection of antiques!’  I replied, ‘Those are what I use to make my living.’  And I can actually pay my bills on what I do.  I go 40 miles to town twice a week…Wednesday nights and Sunday mornings…even with that I’ve had crazy people harangue me for needing to drive less.  Nothing stops the world from busting down my door whenever it wants.  Yesterday an old guy I take fishing handed me an article on banning jig head fishing lures here.  In the article it said that within a couple of years legislation is coming that will ban my 2-cycle outboard  (told my wife I’d clean it up and put it in the kitchen for a new mix-master for her!).  Having checked out of the game already I couldn’t afford it when I bought it..and there’s no way I will be able to buy a 4-cycle.  And I’m sure that lead bullets will be next.  But necessity’s the mother of invention and I'm really not discouraged.  For a long time I’ve been hard at work keeping one step ahead of those who think they know better, nothing’s changed when it comes to another gun factory being sold. 

I really don’t care what H&R or NEF or Remington or Cerberus or anyone else decides to do.  Who are they, God?  I love my Handi, but it's not the altar at which I worship.  I don't confuse ends with means.  (This is my official answer.)

When my life depended on a corporate income I was a slave.  When I was caught in the trap of what my neighbor thought I should pay in property tax to support his weird values, the snare snugged just a bit tighter every day.  There’s one thing alone that matters in life and brings me happiness, and I’m glad I know what it is.

I really could care less what anyone thinks about what I’ve written here.  If you want to do me a favor, then work on something that will benefit shooters, hunters, fishers, and Handi owners in the days ahead.  Oh, has anyone come up with an invention that will change my 2-cycle to a 4-cycle outboard?

Doc

[Mac11700]

It's about time ...that's my vote...Now...the Handi rifle won't have to take a back seat to other rifles...and the company can get a infusion of needed capitol...to update the plant...

Most should stop looking for the bad...and be a little optimistic about it...Yes...they may loose a few lines of rifles...especially those that are problematic or not selling enough of them to justify them keeping them going...If any one here made a product...any product...and it didn't sell...would you continue making it ??...I feel Remington can take these rifles to a whole different level than Marlin could or would..Wither or not they will remains to be seen...but...since they now have a American line of single shots..I look for them to drop their imports of them....My wish is for them to make them strong enough for any magnum cartridge on the market..and to improve Q/C of the barrels & chambers...not to mention build these barrels & frames where they can have full inter changeability with out having to send them back to the factory...and to have a better trigger on them as well...perhaps going back to the older style with out the transfer bar...Put a titanium firing pin in it with better springs to improve lock time..and offer pillar bedded fore arms standard...along with their G3 (limb saver ) recoil pad for the synthetic stocks...Krimeny...Remington rifles are some of the best built production rifles in the world...and if they can turn around their Q/C department..and their C/S department...going from one of the worst to being as good as they are today...I see only good things for the H&R's...I like the Handi rifle...but I see the need for improvements in them as well...after all...all one has to do is to look at the various wish list to see this...Let's see if they will do it for us...instead of worrying about them changing things or dropping a few calibers..The Remington folks aren't stupid...

Mac