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Great news for 5mmRemington rimfire owners..
« on: January 30, 2008, 12:42:40 PM »
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Re: Great news for 5mmRemington rimfire owners..
« Reply #1 on: January 31, 2008, 04:28:58 AM »
That is great news  ;D ;D ;D

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Re: Great news for 5mmRemington rimfire owners..
« Reply #2 on: January 31, 2008, 05:08:52 AM »
If it catches back on and a larger ammo selection is available I will jump back on the 5mm bandwagon...it truly is a great round.

But 30gr @ 2,300 FPS isn't much of an advantage over the 22mag, which has HP's, FMJ's, V-max, and TNT +V's that are 30gr @ 2,200 fps (actually, slightly faster).

Rumor has it there is another big company working on tooling and loading the 5mm rimfire as well...if this is the case, I think we'll be seeing a few new rifles in the next year.  ;)

For those interested, there is some selling on gunbroker right now...it's SPENDY, though. Hopefully the price drops considerably once production hits full capacity.

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Re: Great news for 5mmRemington rimfire owners..
« Reply #3 on: January 31, 2008, 05:22:38 AM »
I never felt a need for a greater selection of ammo to be honest and was quite satisfied with what Remington provided me. It was the first rifle I ever owned that the term "tack driver" truly fit. Back in those days I often held my targets to the backer with tacks. I could when done shooting a target if I wished remove it by shooting the four tacks and dropping it off the rifle and ammo were truly that accurate. It's the ONLY round I've ever shot a fly with that was on the target.

It clearly was not a small game round as it was just too destructive but it was a varmint/pest round par excllencance it had no peer. It is superior to the .22 magnum if for no other reason than the bullets of equal weight have vastly better BCs which carry that destructive power down range better.

I truly regret letting my rifle go all those long years ago when ammo quit being available but for sure if another comes along now that ammo can be had again I'll get one and make it my primary short range varmint/pest gun. I love the .22 magnum and will never be without one but there are many tasks I consider the 5mm superior for. With ammo again available all I need now is to find another rifle for it.


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Re: Great news for 5mmRemington rimfire owners..
« Reply #4 on: February 01, 2008, 01:54:10 PM »
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Re: Great news for 5mmRemington rimfire owners..
« Reply #5 on: February 01, 2008, 07:06:04 PM »
Rumor has it it was a gnat!!
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Re: Great news for 5mmRemington rimfire owners..
« Reply #6 on: February 01, 2008, 07:12:05 PM »
Doubt you will find another 5mm rem. I would search the gun shows and maybe you will find one but at a high price.
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Re: Great news for 5mmRemington rimfire owners..
« Reply #8 on: February 01, 2008, 07:44:08 PM »
There's been one on gunbroker every few weeks...has been like that for a LONGGGGG time.
However, I have noticed they seem to be a little more "proud" of their rifles lately--trying to cash in on the new ammo release, I suppose.

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« Reply #9 on: February 02, 2008, 04:00:23 AM »
I have 2 Model 591 Remmies in mint condition. Two boxes of original 38 grn hollowpoints as well. I'm very pleased at this development. I wouldn't think $350 with a box of ammo would be too much for the right gun, but I have experience with the gun and ammo combo and am decidedly biased! Good shooting, Guy
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« Reply #10 on: February 02, 2008, 08:49:00 AM »
I am betting that we might see a 5mm rem new for next year.
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« Reply #11 on: February 02, 2008, 03:31:04 PM »
  Lets hope it is not by a"joint effort" between Remington & Marlin ! :P
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« Reply #12 on: February 02, 2008, 03:52:39 PM »
Is the 5mm cartridge a 22 mag necked down to 5mm?

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« Reply #13 on: February 02, 2008, 04:10:49 PM »
The WMR was Winchesters answer to the Rem 5mm in 1964 I believe?

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Re: Great news for 5mmRemington rimfire owners..
« Reply #14 on: February 02, 2008, 06:51:22 PM »
Is the 5mm cartridge a 22 mag necked down to 5mm?

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NO. As I recall it was fatter and slightly shorter than the .22 magnum.


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Re: Great news for 5mmRemington rimfire owners..
« Reply #15 on: February 02, 2008, 06:54:39 PM »
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Re: Great news for 5mmRemington rimfire owners..
« Reply #16 on: February 02, 2008, 07:09:02 PM »
  Lets hope it is not by a"joint effort" between Remington & Marlin ! :P

I don't know about it being mass produced but maybe a limited run.
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Re: Great news for 5mmRemington rimfire owners..
« Reply #17 on: February 03, 2008, 01:01:47 AM »
limited run..possibly, but with some 58,000 rifles already out there..surely they could crank up a couple times each year and run off a batch, since they must already have the tools and rights to produce.  ..And who knows; it may catch on so someone starts new production.
   Sounds like a good place for NEF to jump in; few may want to risk $300-$400 for a new rifle but they may spring for a $95 barrel ! If enough of them do, then it "off to the races" .
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« Reply #18 on: February 03, 2008, 06:54:46 AM »
I know of a 591 for sale locally for $159.00
Missing the rear sight and equipped with a cheapie 3-9X scope.
Also does not have the mag in it, but I suspect the shop is merely keeping it behind the counter to prevent it from walking away.
If it were to not have a mag, how difficult would it be to get one and what might I expect to pay?

All in all, with the exception of the previously mentioned issues, the gun itself appears to be in very nice condition. Worth picking up?

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« Reply #19 on: February 03, 2008, 08:05:25 AM »
try.....   www.e-gunparts.com/
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« Reply #20 on: February 03, 2008, 02:07:21 PM »
I will get one depending on how the market for the ammo is.
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« Reply #21 on: February 03, 2008, 03:15:42 PM »
Glanceblamm;
   I believe the 5mm was Remington's defensive play toward Winchester. The .22 mag came out in 1959...the 5mm mag in 1969.

        www.chuckhawks.com/5mm_rem_mag.htm

                                                         
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Re: Great news for 5mmRemington rimfire owners..
« Reply #22 on: February 03, 2008, 05:09:25 PM »
Glanceblamm;
   I believe the 5mm was Remington's defensive play toward Winchester. The .22 mag came out in 1959...the 5mm mag in 1969..

                                                         www.chuckhawkes.com/5mm_rem_mag.htm

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« Reply #23 on: February 04, 2008, 12:47:04 AM »
  The new 5mm is 30 gr @2350..the original was 38 gr @ 2100...looks like Aguila is opting more for speed. Does this make the ballistic coefficent any worse....remains to be seen....

    Go ahead and try the link again..I should not have put a "e" in Hawks.
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« Reply #24 on: February 06, 2008, 06:51:55 AM »
I seem to recall that one reason only Remington ever produced rifles for the 5mm was that it operated at much higher pressures than the .22 WMR.  Remington had to redesign their extractors to avoid rim blow-outs and other makers just were not interested in producing a whole new gun just for a round with very limited sales appeal. Today, with dozens of guns in .22 WMR and with every maker jumping on the .17 HMR bandwagon most folks don't realize that fifty years ago the .22 WMR got off to a very slow start. Gun writers of the time did not sing the praises of the new round but were quick to point out that it was not as accurate as the .22 longrifle and that ammo cost five times as much and that you could reload a .22 Hornet for less than the cost of .22 WMR ammo.
 For many years only Winchester produced the ammo and the only rifles available were the Winchester pump and the upper barrel of the Savage m-24. Mossberg introduced their "Chuckster" in .22 mag  and Marlin began offering bolt actions in .22 mag and CCI began producing ammo which was a bit cheaper than Winchester and slowly, very slowly, it began to build momentum. Even in the seventies, 20 years after its' intro, there still were just a few rifles offered and still only two ammo choices, Winchester and CCI, all in 40 grain weight, FMJ or JHP. I really believe that Ruger kept the .22 mag alive during the early years by offering the Single-Six with interchangeable cylinders for longrifle or mag.  It's only in the last 10 or 15 years that the .22 WMR has really taken off. So it's no mystery as to why the 5mm Remington failed and I think the same reasons may count against it today, except that today the gun writers would play it up big time, just as they do everything produced by anyone who buys add space.
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« Reply #25 on: February 07, 2008, 09:41:45 AM »
Any body know who actually has the ammo in stock? I have one 591 left but the ammo I ordered from Old Western Scrounger is on "backorder" or they never had any! I smashed one rifle in an absolute fit of blind rage at the practice of selling stuff they don't have. Not real clever but I couldn't reach through the phone line to strangle the person who revealed this crap to me! I must say that after 30 years of practicing absolute self control it felt better than sex! Thank God I wasn't in a bar room or I'd be facing the chair.
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« Reply #26 on: February 07, 2008, 09:48:23 AM »
There was one box sold on Gunbroker, haven't seen it there since or anywhere else I've looked.

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« Reply #27 on: February 07, 2008, 03:18:48 PM »
There is quite a bit of 5mm rem ammo on gunbroker now. 12 auctions and some have many boxes.

http://gunbroker.com/Auction/SearchResults.asp?SearchResults.asp?SearchType=0&Keywords=5mm
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« Reply #28 on: February 07, 2008, 03:20:13 PM »
7 boxes seem to be going for $400
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« Reply #29 on: February 07, 2008, 04:48:53 PM »
Yeah, but they're all expensive Rem ammo, not the $27 Centurion ammo. :-\

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