Author Topic: None of them deserve to win (Read 967 times)

nomosendero · « **on:** February 05, 2008, 04:55:07 PM »

Take a look at sorry polititians in action. http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/23017706/?GT1=10856

rockbilly · « **Reply #1 on:** February 05, 2008, 06:09:24 PM »

My friend, we are up to our necks in bovine manure with no way to bail out. I think this is true regardless of who wins the White House. This is clearly one of those times when the voter does not vote for a candidate, but cast his vote in opposition to a candidate.

magooch · « **Reply #2 on:** February 06, 2008, 03:21:11 AM »

The only thing different about this time around is that the field is a bit more diverse (a bitch, a zebra and some rinos) than in the past. It has always been about compromise and voting for the one who you think will do the least damage, or the one who you think might get you the most goodies. We continue down the road to eventual, real calamity. Like it, or not, the biggest problem that democracy has--even our republic form of democracy--is the voters.

PartsMan · « **Reply #3 on:** February 06, 2008, 03:32:28 AM »

Quote from: rockbilly on February 05, 2008, 06:09:24 PM

My friend, we are up to our necks in bovine manure with no way to bail out. I think this is true regardless of who wins the White House. This is clearly one of those times when the voter does not vote for a candidate, but cast his vote in opposition to a candidate.

Agreed!

james · « **Reply #4 on:** February 06, 2008, 03:34:30 AM »

I agree

Dusty Miller · « **Reply #5 on:** February 06, 2008, 08:04:13 AM »

I normally vehemently argue against just sitting out an election but this time around I just can't come up with a good arguement against it. I'll be voting on other seats and issues but the presidential choices are just not anything worthwhile in my opinion.

deltecs · « **Reply #6 on:** February 06, 2008, 11:11:30 AM »

Quote from: Dusty Miller on February 06, 2008, 08:04:13 AM

I normally vehemently argue against just sitting out an election but this time around I just can't come up with a good arguement against it. I'll be voting on other seats and issues but the presidential choices are just not anything worthwhile in my opinion.

I too vehemently argue that one must vote. This election year is no different and may be more important to vote this year than any other. Let's look at what the issues are. So we cannot agree on anything of the front runners platforms. What can we agree on? Most everybody on this site, who I've seen post comments, are definitely pro firearms and the 2 nd Amendment. Is any one candidate front runner better than the rest when it comes to supporting it? Yes, there is. McCain may not be strong supporter of it, but he is substantially more supportive than either Hillary or Obama. Will anyone who thinks the 2 nd Amendent is an individual right and very important, believe that either Hillary or Obama has not, do not, and will not support this important right? I do. Both have not even indicated their positions with regard to the 2 nd Amendment. Yet every conservative candidate did. The omission of such a statement is more defining than having one. No campaign promises are broken when either votes to restrict our firearms rights. By not voting for something you believe in, you in reality give a vote to the opposition who will get the votes. Go vote for the candidate who best supports our firearms rights in oppositon to other candidates, if nothing else tweeks your politics. A none vote goes toward a candidate who would take or severly restrict our firearms possession. We complain about socialistic policies and then do nothing to prevent them by not voting. I think this is reason enough to vote in this election year.

Graybeard · « **Reply #7 on:** February 06, 2008, 12:43:31 PM »

It does look highly likely McCain will get the Republican nomination and he is a sad excuse for a Presidental choice but he is still light years ahead of the two possible dumocrap choices you'll be offered. Of them Hiliary is a far better choice cuz if the muslim gets it I think he's gonna submit Osama Bin Laden for Defense Secretary.

I just can't believe this country is poised and on the brink of possibly elected a muzlim as president what are the people of this country thinking?

At this point Huckabee is the bright shining beacon that would be far far above the rest and I'm not too sure I'd be happy with him really but he is so much better than all the other alternatives that I guess I'm gonna toss my support behind him. Since Matt's choice appears to be totally out of the picture now maybe I can get him to remove the Ron Paul banner and replace it with a Huckabee banner. Matt thinks Paul will now go third party. I hope he is wrong as that will assure the dumocrap wins same situation that put Klinton in office twice.

deltecs · « **Reply #8 on:** February 06, 2008, 03:23:18 PM »

I think Huckabee has a platform more inline with my personal convictions and will support him even though I'd rather see someone else more conservative along Republican Party lines. But they have dropped out of the race. My point was that whomever is the Rebublican Presidential nominee, I have to vote for them instead of the other possible choices. We must defeat both Hillary and Obama, if we are to survive as an independent, representative republic instead of a socialistic monarchy. Without firearms, we'll lose the means to even defend our rights under law, if there happens to be such a thing. It is bad enough currently without having an elite communist or religious figurehead as President.

nw_hunter · « **Reply #9 on:** February 06, 2008, 05:45:46 PM »

Quote from: Graybeard on February 06, 2008, 12:43:31 PM

It does look highly likely McCain will get the Republican nomination and he is a sad excuse for a Presidental choice but he is still light years ahead of the two possible dumocrap choices you'll be offered. Of them Hiliary is a far better choice cuz if the muslim gets it I think he's gonna submit Osama Bin Laden for Defense Secretary.

I just can't believe this country is poised and on the brink of possibly elected a muzlim as president what are the people of this country thinking?

At this point Huckabee is the bright shining beacon that would be far far above the rest and I'm not too sure I'd be happy with him really but he is so much better than all the other alternatives that I guess I'm gonna toss my support behind him. Since Matt's choice appears to be totally out of the picture now maybe I can get him to remove the Ron Paul banner and replace it with a Huckabee banner. Matt thinks Paul will now go third party. I hope he is wrong as that will assure the dumocrap wins same situation that put Klinton in office twice.

No doubt about it! Ron Paul was the only true conservative in the fight. There was no way the powers that be, and the media were going to give him the time of day. John McCain is a Liberal puke of the worse sort! Even more so than the Wicked Witch. Check out Gun Owners Of America's report card for him. (F-).

I could have forced myself to vote for Huck., but no way I'll vote for McCain.
This liberal so called Texan we have in office now, is a Saint compared to McCain. I'll write in Paul. Let the SCUM fight it out among themselves. (WE LOSE) no matter who gets it. I think the Republicans get some backbone in the House and Senate, when a Liberal Demo is in office, but there is no way Hillary or Obama is going to beat LIL Captain anyway...JMO!

gypsyman · « **Reply #10 on:** February 07, 2008, 07:24:16 AM »

Just turned on the 'puter, and the headline was Mitt is going to drop out. With him having business experience, he could have had the best chance to try and straighten out the economy. And the only difference between Huckabee and McCain, is like the difference between a wet fart and diarrea. And I've heard a couple of the talk show guys say, maybe we need a 4 year period to ''wake up'' the voters and really look to a true conservative candidate. Only problem I see, with the economy going in the tank, unsecured borders, govt. spending going up faster than a moon shot, I don't think this country can last 4 more years. JMO--gypsyman

Graybeard · « **Reply #11 on:** February 07, 2008, 08:44:15 AM »

I guess I honestly don't think the country is going to last thru the next Presidency. I've said before and say again 2012 is looking more and more like the real "end of world" scenario so many have predicted it to be for the last couple thousand or more years.

I cannot see how the USA can live as a nation thru four years of either Hilary or Obama. He will give the nation to the muslims and the radical ones at that in my opinion and she will also give it away just to a different group. I'm not sure McCain will be any better at all. Some one push the lever and go ahead and flush as we're heading down the drain anyway.

SHOOTALL · « **Reply #12 on:** February 07, 2008, 08:55:37 AM »

so i guess it can be said no one GOOD wants to be captain of a sinking ship !

ms · « **Reply #13 on:** February 07, 2008, 09:07:46 AM »

I still remember bush on TV talking about bush Clinton bush as being in the white house. Laughing about it this is all his and Clinton doing. he said Clinton was like a brother. This is the new world order family Robbing us. Mccain wants this war to go on for 100 years. Bush wants 3.1 trillion for spending where is all this money coming from?

SHOOTALL · « **Reply #14 on:** February 07, 2008, 09:20:38 AM »

FDR , perfected the abuse of power , so its been going on for years ! and most elected improved how they did it !
Govt . or elected officials if you will no longer represent us ! Not sure what it is called that they do but for sure we are not represented as to what we want done !
Thomas Jefferson said the tree of freedom must be nourished with the blood of tyrants and patriots from time to time !( or something to that affect ).
It would appear the tree is dry !

gypsyman · « **Reply #15 on:** February 07, 2008, 02:10:23 PM »

With who's left in the running, I think I might vote for Ron Paul But with where he is in the polls, I don't think it would do much good.Our primary here in Ohio is next month. whoopee! If my memory serve's me right, I think I've only missed one local election, since '73, when I turned 18 and picked up my draft card. But the longer this one goes on, the more disgusted I get. I think I'ld better turn off the news and start loading ammo for the next 7 month's. gypsyman

deltecs · « **Reply #16 on:** February 07, 2008, 02:33:55 PM »

I'm not a supporter of McCain. McCain will probably be the Republican nominee for President. Either Clinton or Obama will be the Democrats nominee and maybe both on the ticket. If McCain is so alike to Clinton/Obama, what if any difference exists. McCain has stated his firearms position on his campaign. Neither of the Democrats has. So what if McCain does a terrible job. So what if Clinton or Obama or both do a terrible job. The outcome is the same. The only definite difference is McCains statement to uphold the 2nd. It is almost a certainty that either a Republican or Democrat will be the next President. Paul has no chance. Huckabee has little. Only Hitlery, Obama, or McCain will be the next President. Get over it, it is going to happen and nothing at this late stage is going to change that, less one of them is dead. I don't want it, support it, or favor it. I do support my arms rights. If a conservative votes for someone that doesn't support his arms rights, then every other issue talked about or supported is moot. It doesn't mean anything but more loss of freedom by cutting off their nose to spite their face, by voting against the one issue he can support. If that means McCain, so be it. I had my say and feeble attempts to elect someone else, but that just ain't a going to happen. That dog just ain't going to hunt. Get over it and support something we do believe in. Besides, we'll probably need those arms for the next civil insurection.

nw_hunter · « **Reply #17 on:** February 08, 2008, 06:08:45 PM »

Quote from: deltecs on February 07, 2008, 02:33:55 PM

I'm not a supporter of McCain. McCain will probably be the Republican nominee for President. Either Clinton or Obama will be the Democrats nominee and maybe both on the ticket. If McCain is so alike to Clinton/Obama, what if any difference exists. McCain has stated his firearms position on his campaign. Neither of the Democrats has. So what if McCain does a terrible job. So what if Clinton or Obama or both do a terrible job. The outcome is the same. The only definite difference is McCains statement to uphold the 2nd. It is almost a certainty that either a Republican or Democrat will be the next President. Paul has no chance. Huckabee has little. Only Hitlery, Obama, or McCain will be the next President. Get over it, it is going to happen and nothing at this late stage is going to change that, less one of them is dead. I don't want it, support it, or favor it. I do support my arms rights. If a conservative votes for someone that doesn't support his arms rights, then every other issue talked about or supported is moot. It doesn't mean anything but more loss of freedom by cutting off their nose to spite their face, by voting against the one issue he can support. If that means McCain, so be it. I had my say and feeble attempts to elect someone else, but that just ain't a going to happen. That dog just ain't going to hunt. Get over it and support something we do believe in. Besides, we'll probably need those arms for the next civil insurection.

SO! McCain claims to uphold the 2nd! More BS from him. Check out this article on his gun show amendment in 2004. Is he upholding the 2nd? The list of gun grabbing ideas go on and on from him. He is not, and never has been a friend to the 2nd amendment.

McCain Gun Show Ban. Senator John McCain (R-AZ) offered a gun show amendment (to S. 1805) on March 2, 2004. His language would outlaw the private sale of firearms at gun shows, unless the buyer agrees to submit to a background registration check. Also, it could effectively eliminate gun shows because every member of an organization sponsoring a gun show could be imprisoned if the organization fails to notify each and every "person who attends the special firearms event of the requirements [under the Brady Law]." Thus, if the person responsible for handing out "Brady pamphlets" took a break to go to the bathroom, everyone responsible for the event could be sent to prison. The McCain amendment passed the Senate by a vote of 53-47.!

SHOOTALL · « **Reply #18 on:** February 10, 2008, 08:16:24 AM »

make the pamphlet the ticket !

billy_56081 · « **Reply #19 on:** February 10, 2008, 08:25:02 AM »

Looking at what were gonna have running for president in November of 08. I'm not sure I would urinate on any of them to put them out if they were on fire. That said as much as it makes me sick I'll probably have to bite my tongue and vote for McCain.

Dee · « **Reply #20 on:** February 10, 2008, 08:27:26 AM »

This thread is depressing. True, but depressing just the same.

Sometimes a drunk doesn't know he's a drunk until he hits rock bottom. Maybe when this country hits rock bottom, it will realize what it's own apathy has allowed. Maybe!

SHOOTALL · « **Reply #21 on:** February 10, 2008, 08:29:17 AM »

write in for Newt G.
or someone !

nw_hunter · « **Reply #22 on:** February 10, 2008, 05:23:35 PM »

Quote from: SHOOTALL on February 10, 2008, 08:29:17 AM

write in for Newt G.
or someone !

How about writing in Ron Paul?

SHOOTALL · « **Reply #23 on:** February 11, 2008, 02:43:34 AM »

with less than 8% do you still think he can get anything done ?

SHOOTALL · « **Reply #24 on:** February 11, 2008, 03:33:00 AM »

i believe the America we love is under attack from with in to change our morals and govt. we have seen a decline in moral fiber with each new innovation in information , the magazine gave us sex mags. the computer the VHS tapes and CD's have put it in our homes at the touch of a switch . If we give up we loose what so many have died to give us !
We must learn as many are doing to use these products and machines to push back both the crooked politician and those spreading this moral destruction !
sorry i won't give up !