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Offline Graycg

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Greetings,
   I have a quantity of berdan primed, unfired old remington brass that I was thinking about drilling out for use with 209 shotgun primers for use with Black Powder loads only.  Anyone ever done this before?  I know of a guy who does it for 450 martini ammo.  Thoughts?

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Re: Converting Berdan 43 Spanish Brass to 209 shotgun primers for BP loads?
« Reply #1 on: February 09, 2008, 08:06:02 PM »
I've done the shotgun primer conversion on some hard-to-find BP rifle brass.

This only works if you have solid head brass cases, not the old balloon head cases.  The pocket has to be tight to seal against gas leakage and to resist the powerful hammer strike of the Remington Rolling Block action.

You need specific sized drills, or preferably, reamers, and countersinks to do the primer pocket sizing to fit shotgun battery cups.  It is best done using a lathe and suitable collets for holding the cases, but can be done on a drill press using a cartridge case holder using a chambering reamer on a block of aluminum, and then partly sawing it lengthwise.

It's a lot of trouble to go to, but if expensive or hard-to-find cases are the only alternative, what else is a reloader to do?
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Re: Converting Berdan 43 Spanish Brass to 209 shotgun primers for BP loads?
« Reply #2 on: February 10, 2008, 01:55:47 PM »
You can buy Berdan primers if you look around .I think the company making the Wolf ammo is importing them .Arnie

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Re: Converting Berdan 43 Spanish Brass to 209 shotgun primers for BP loads?
« Reply #3 on: February 11, 2008, 11:53:21 AM »
Sirs,
 thanks for the info, good stuff!  If Berdan primers in the .254 inch size could be found, I'd play with the berdan, but I can't find them anywhere, not even Dangerous Dave at the Old Western Scrounger has them.  If you know a source, please let me know.  Of course the brass I have is the old ballon head type, heck it's over 100 years old.... 

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Re: Converting Berdan 43 Spanish Brass to 209 shotgun primers for BP loads?
« Reply #4 on: February 12, 2008, 07:07:27 AM »
Always erring on the side of safety, I would not bother trying to "convert" this old brass.

Buffalo Arms has new .43 Spanish brass.

Buffalo Arms:
www.buffaloarms.com/
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Re: Converting Berdan 43 Spanish Brass to 209 shotgun primers for BP loads?
« Reply #5 on: February 13, 2008, 05:37:19 PM »
Thanks,
 I'm on the waiting list for that brass from Buffalo when they get it.  I'm done with the conversion thoughts....for now.

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Re: Converting Berdan 43 Spanish Brass to 209 shotgun primers for BP loads?
« Reply #6 on: February 13, 2008, 08:30:05 PM »
Before purchasing the brass, I'd make a chamber cast & measure the chamber's OAL, etc.

There was some variation in the .43 Spanish chambers &  the wrong sized brass will lead to premature brass failure & case separation....
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Re: Converting Berdan 43 Spanish Brass to 209 shotgun primers for BP loads?
« Reply #7 on: February 14, 2008, 01:45:06 PM »
Great idea,
 I'll get that nasty old cerrosafe out and do just that!

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 Graycg
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