Author Topic: Chertoff Warns Of "Earth Shattering" Events (Read 2929 times)

RaySendero · « **Reply #30 on:** February 14, 2008, 01:43:36 PM »

If we (i.e. US) is the only thing keeping Israel from kicking a$$ then I say let'em loose!

billy_56081 · « **Reply #31 on:** February 14, 2008, 02:30:13 PM »

Come on TM7 I've never hurled any anti semetic remarks here. Only you have! It discusts me to hear someone spout all this Nazi crap like you do then try to turn it around. I am sure almost all here know who is the anti semite here. Also I only see those relative once in a great while and may never again being they are now in their 90's I'm sure that most of the actual wintessing dying off pleases you so you can push your twisted form of history.

copilot001 · « **Reply #32 on:** February 14, 2008, 04:36:35 PM »

You guys have hi-jacked this thread and are using it to crap all over each other...lets get back to the original subject

powderman · « **Reply #33 on:** February 15, 2008, 03:18:37 AM »

tm7. You simply must stop listening to al jazeera, try some real American news. And stop picking on Billy.
copilot. If ya don't want to read it, use the scroll, it will take ya somewhere else. POWDERMAN.

SHOOTALL · « **Reply #34 on:** February 15, 2008, 03:22:42 AM »

AMERICAN NEWS , now that's entertaining !

magooch · « **Reply #35 on:** February 15, 2008, 03:55:52 AM »

Well, as bad as a lot of our media might be, I'm sure not going to depend on some Internet blog, or some foreign source for information about what's going on in the world. You just have to be a little skeptical, especially if there is a political angle to it. On straight up news, I believe our media is as good as any other. I don't take anything as gospel when it first debuts, but after it has time to stew for a little, something that is close to the facts usually boils to the top.

Maybe I'm naive, but I still believe there are some good journalists out there.

SHOOTALL · « **Reply #36 on:** February 15, 2008, 09:38:29 AM »

like a Native AMERICAN maybe !
how about the folks that lived where the interstate is now !

SHOOTALL · « **Reply #37 on:** February 15, 2008, 09:59:56 AM »

not mine but it appears it happened to quite a few Native Americans , many in other parts of the world also .
so whats your point ?

SHOOTALL · « **Reply #38 on:** February 15, 2008, 10:17:47 AM »

Not being a nomad living in a tent moving about , i would acess wheather or not moving on was in my best intrest . had it happened to my parents 50+ years ago i would do nothing and get on with life !
if it happened today to my home and all legal fixes were exhusted , like most i would move as anything else would lead to prison or death nither of which seem worth while

billy_56081 · « **Reply #39 on:** February 15, 2008, 10:55:48 AM »

HMMMM what would I do if my home was stolen from me? That's an easy answer. I'd go take it back from the filthy mohammedites just like the Jews did with Israel. So simple! I'm glad most people can see what is right in front of their faces. Our world would be doomed if more sympathized with the filthy vermin terrorists in Palestine.

It's a simple equation. MUSLIM=TERRORIST

powderman · « **Reply #40 on:** February 15, 2008, 04:11:18 PM »

tm7. I would fight for what is rightfully mine. Difference is, the Godless ones never owned any of it, therefore they are trespassers and invaders, much like the illegals we have here. The romans renamed Israel, or Judea, palestine to try and wipe away any existence of the Jews, it didn't work. Gods original gift of land to Israel can be found in numbers, in the Bible, not the koran. There is a map in the back of our family Bible showing that gift. It is now being occupied by 5 Godless nations. Israel has never regained what was stolen from them by the romans. I well remember the 7 day war in 1967. Israel was attacked by 7 Godless nations at once. Instead of circling their wagons in fear, Israel attacked. I remember the before and after pics, thousands of enemy tanks destroyed. Israel cut through them like a hot knife through butter. Greatly outnumbered, Israel attacked and destroyed her enemies, because God was with them. Every single time the Godless ones mess with Israel, they get their butts soundly whipped. A normal thinking person would see that their mohamed just aint doing it for them. Not them thoughThey still persist in kicking the dog. In one of the battles of old God told Israel to totally destroy the enemy, but they let some live and even kept livestock. God told them that because they didn't obey his command that the descendents of those people would be forever a thorn in their side. I'd imagine the modern day palestinians are descendents, but I'm not sure. I don't know what more would convince you that the Israelites are Gods chosen ones, you plainly don't believe the Bible. You should at least look at Israels accomplishments. Israel thrives, while her Godless neighbors live in squalor. America hasn't fought her battles, Israel has. In the 7 day war 7 Godless nations used the best, top of the line tanks and weapons that Russia could supply. I remember the pics of the thousands of piles of twisted metal after Israel walked through them. How do you explain a victory like that if God wasn't with them??? I know none of this will change your mind because you are too full of hatred for them, but, they are Gods chosen ones, AND, the holocaust was real. POWDERMAN.

powderman · « **Reply #41 on:** February 16, 2008, 03:29:24 AM »

tm7. You never understood a thing I said, did ya. Heaven forbid I should believe Gods word. Shame on me. You either believe the Bible, or you don't. I do, you don't. Jordan offered the Godless palestinians their own land and homes, they refused. Yes, it is about their hatred for the Jews. I'm going to work. POWDERMAN.

Chilachuck · « **Reply #42 on:** February 16, 2008, 08:59:00 AM »

Magooch, the news reporters are mostly journalism majors and know nothing about anything but journalism. Go looking for articles about stuff that you know something about and see how many mistakes they make.

We have to get a wide variety of reports on what is going on, and some of those reporters are going to be bloggers, or posters in a forum like this one.

powderman · « **Reply #43 on:** February 16, 2008, 04:04:17 PM »

Hells bells tm7, Israel supports those Godless SOBS, they are their brothers keeper. They send millions of $ in aid each month, food, water, medical supplies, heating fuel, even most of their electricity comes from the people the Godless ones hate. Kinda like biting the hand that feeds ya. The Godless ones repay their kindness with rocket attacks daily. Israel needs to completely, and permanently close her borders with all of those Godless nations. Quit feeding them, stop all aid, and let the Godless ones eat their rockets and bombs. Let the other Godless nations feed the palestinians. I don't know what other version you are referring to, I trust in the Bible, not sure what your sources are, but that is mine. I believe in Jesus Christ, the Godless ones believe the rantings of a child molesting, murdering, madman named mohamed. I see Christians and Jews as allies against the Godless ones, evidently you don't. I'll never change your mind, it's made up, I fear that you hate the Jews so much that it has clouded your vision. I can tell that you are an intelligent man on some things, but not about this. POWDERMAN.

powderman · « **Reply #44 on:** February 17, 2008, 04:12:53 AM »

tm7. God set Israels boundaries thousands of years ago, borrow a Bible, look it up in numbers. If you are suggesting that Israel kick the Godless ones off their land and seal their original borders, we finally agree on something. POWDERMAN.

ironglow · « **Reply #45 on:** February 17, 2008, 06:24:49 AM »

Agreed; the boundaries were set millenias ago; the real trespassers are the "Johnny come latelys"..the Muslims;
people who before AD 620, were worshiping the moon, stars, bulls and kitty cats !

Dee · « **Reply #46 on:** February 17, 2008, 09:29:22 AM »

TM7 normally I dismiss most of what you say in the way of conspiracy, but you ARE ignoring God's PROMISE to the Jew. I would strongly suggest you BORROW THAT BIBLE, and look up the CLEAR BOUNDRIES of the land God HIMSELF promised Israel.
The ARAB i.e. the Palestinians and ALL OTHER ARAB NATIONS, are the off spring of an ILLEGITIMATE SON born of Abraham, and his wife's hand maid. This was at the urging of his wife Sara whom THOUGHT she her self was barren, but later proved not to be at the ripe old age of NINTY.
The hand maid, whom was named Hagar, bore Abraham a son whom he named ISHMAEL. Ishmael was a trouble maker from the get go, and at God's order was banished from the family, and REJECTED "BY GOD HIMSELF" AS ABRAHAM'S FIRST BORN SON. The Bible states that he (Ishmael) would father either 10 or 12 son's ( I can't remember whether it was 10 or 12) and that they (these sons) would be of FIERCE CONTENANCE, and would be involved in constant strife with their fellow man. He (God) went on to say, that they would be called "ARABS". Now I didn't say any of this, GOD DID. So if you choose not to believe it, and to NOT EDUCATE "YOURSELF", then I suggest you take it up with God, because He is the one whom ISSUED THE ORDERS, and PUBLISHED THE INFORMATION.

By the way. Mohammad is a direct descendant of Ishmael, and by the way, this is recognized by all. Christian, Jew, and Moslem.

powderman · « **Reply #47 on:** February 17, 2008, 12:15:55 PM »

tm7. You need to throw your koran in the toilet where it belongs. POWDERMAN.

RaySendero · « **Reply #48 on:** February 17, 2008, 01:34:34 PM »

TM7,

I try to avoid your discussions, because I cringe most every time I read your quotes and interpretations of the Bible. But it’s impossible, as this seems to be your favorite topic and I can’t find an ignore button on GBO.

So all I can offer is a mental/visual analogy:

It’s like a smart and broadly read man discussing a subject he just doesn’t GET and can’t see the forest for the trees but still wants to show off his knowledge of trivia.

billy_56081 · « **Reply #49 on:** February 17, 2008, 02:32:34 PM »

TM7 where do you get your misinformation? The Neo Nazi websites? All I ever hear from you is disinformation and the same code words for Jews as my relatives who served in the German Army in WW2 talk about. For someone who seems as educated as you do, you sure have been studying the wrong information. I guess Ron White is right.

powderman · « **Reply #50 on:** February 17, 2008, 03:56:41 PM »

tm7. I've never seen a Talmund or Torah. Maybe you could point out some chapter and verse in your borrowed Bible to show what you are talking about. I guess you are saying that king Soloman ad David didn't exist??? That means there was no Goliath too I presume. I've never seen noahs ark either, guess it didn't exist, which means there was no flood. Nobody has produced the Ark of the covenant either, hmmmmm. Now, show me some of these wild claims of yours, using the Bible please. You don't have to write it all down, chapter and verse will suffice. The Bible, not the koran. POWDERMAN.

ironglow · « **Reply #51 on:** February 18, 2008, 05:04:46 AM »

TM7;
I beg to disagree ! I subscribe to the "Biblical; Archaeology Review"; the publication standard for those involved in archaeology in the Holy Lands.

Let's get up to speed..there has been strong evidence found of David's reign, and there is more evidence being found every day that for the
most part, reinforces the Biblical view ! A person either has to be historically and archaeologically blind to even DREAM of denying the Jewish history
that is so intertwined in that area for so many millennia.
There is a great struggle going on at this very time, over the more recent "giveaways" of the various "peace conferences" sponsored by other nations.
The Muslims now control the acreage of the Temple Mount..thanks to interfering "peacemakers". Since the Muslims are in charge there, they are busy
digging up the mount, trying to erase any of the ancient evidence of Jewish temples and occupation.
There is a blindness to their diligent attempts at erasure..they have to dump their fill in the valley of, I believe Hinom, ( I'll have to look it up ).

The honest archaeologists are searching through the loads dumped there and finding ancient artifacts that prove the ancient occupancy by the Jews.
With all the digging, there is danger to the "Wailing Wall"..a foundation wall of Solomon's Temple and the Temple reconstructed under Herod.
The Jews are disturbed, because this Wailing Wall is a very important site to them, and it is in danger of collapse. The Muslims are oblivious to Jewish
complaints about the destructive digging by the Arab "antiquities" gang on the platform above their wall.
Clever as the Muslims may think they are, they may well be operating at the REAL God's will. If the wall comes down..perhaps it will take that
"Dome of the Rock" down, paving the way for a third, and last Temple...

Remember folks, this struggle is between two religions, Judaism and the Johnny-come-lately, Muslim cult. The Muslims did not even exist before
Muhammad invented it in AD 620.
As a culture, there are very old enemies surrounding Israel..old enemies, but comparatively new religious fanatics.

powderman · « **Reply #52 on:** February 18, 2008, 09:13:18 AM »

tm7. You remind me of a guy who told me that Jesus went up in a beam of light and would return the same way, cause Jesus was an alien. Hate to say it, but he made more sense than you do. I've never seen anybody so full of hatred for Jews as you are, sad. POWDERMAN.

ironglow · « **Reply #53 on:** February 18, 2008, 02:41:06 PM »

TM7;

If Mohammed only organized the Muslim cult as a counter to the Jews..why did they also push on into Europe. Sorry; I don't buy it..Mohammed "invented" it and
his very Koran declares it's warlike, intolerant attitude. He created it to be a warlike machine.
I find it interesting that you only cite David & Solomon..could it be simply because information is more scant with them than it is with many other Hebrew kings ? How about the tombs of other Israeli Kings that have been found ?
The tombs of King Omri and Jeroboam II ..900-800 BC..unearthed in Samaria, just to name two (Biblical Archaeology Review July/Aug 2007)..There are thousands of Israeli
sites unearthed and identified as such by many different Universities. There are Egyptian writings from 1400 BC, listing the battles with the Jews.

To stand around and try to deny the occupation of the area by Jews since Abraham, is the height of arrogance..akin to the holocaust deniers..

Even the Arabs admit that both they and the Jews both sprang from Abraham..the Jews simply communed with the true God, found their faith and organized at a
time when the Arab tribes were busy being primitive and fighting with each other as God promised (Gen 16: 11, 12 ) the descendants of Ishmael would be.

Suire, Ishmael was the elder half brother, but God placed the inheritance upon Isaac. So often, great hatred develops when an heir sincerely believes he has been "cheated"...and that is where the current conflict between Arabs (Muslims) and Israelis sprang from about 4,000 years ago, continuing to this day !

the Bible says (Gen 16:12).. "And he will be a wild man; his hand will be against every man, and every man's hand against him; and he shall dwell in the presence of his brethren."

I ask all who read this post...Does that describe the Muslim of today, as clearly it did their tribal desert dwelling progenitors so many centuries ago ?

powderman · « **Reply #54 on:** February 18, 2008, 04:08:27 PM »

IRONGLOW. Agreed Sir, good post. You shouldn't confuse tm7 with facts, he'll have to get a new tinfoil hat. POWDERMAN.

Graybeard · « **Reply #55 on:** February 19, 2008, 04:58:37 AM »

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I happen to fully support Jews of the Torah, real Jews; not your political zionist friends and mayhem cohorts, or any other group secretively or openly hiding behind Christendom that insist on buttressing the world's 'State of Fear' along with their leader chirtoff mentioned here.

...TM7

I must admit your position both confounds and mytifies me. I truly have no clue what you do believe or stand for. Just how do you separate these "political zionists" you speak of from the "Jews of the Torah" you say you support.

How do you define which is which and where are these "Jews of the Torah" you support so strongly located today. How do I tell them from your "political zionists" Jews? I truly do not understand where you're coming from here so please help to enlighten me. From reading your threads over a long period of time I must admit that it does appear to me you in fact hate Jews and love muzlims even tho that's not what you say it is what your words cause me to believe. Help me to understand what it is you really believe and why.

ironglow · « **Reply #56 on:** February 19, 2008, 07:31:04 AM »

TM7;
Gen 16:12 needs no further "translating"..it is a VERY clear passage. look at Chapter 16..in vs 8, God addresses Hagar, vs 9..she is told to return and serve Sarah..vs 10
the angel tells Hagar that her "seed" will become a multitude..vs 11 the angel says she will bear a son , and his name is to be ISHMAEL..vs 12..the angel delivers the "wild man" verse..
Since in vs 12 the angel says his hand will be against every man & vice-versa..it seems to point out that when Ishmael's descendants have no strangers to fight, they will fight each other..sounds true to type..
The Arabs do claim Ishmael as their progenitor, do they not ?.

Chilachuck · « **Reply #57 on:** February 20, 2008, 05:47:09 AM »

TM7, there isn't going to be a heck of a lot of archaeological evidence about Jews in Israel after the Moslems get done wrecking the place.

SHOOTALL · « **Reply #58 on:** February 20, 2008, 06:11:35 AM »

they better pratice more than they have in the past ! or next time Isriel might have a sea on both sides of their land !