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ms · « **on:** February 12, 2008, 02:40:58 AM »

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'They will kill Obama if he becomes US president': Outcry over Nobel Prize winner's assassination warning

DAVID GARDNER
UK Daily Mail
Monday February 11, 2008

British Nobel Prize winner Doris Lessing caused uproar last night by predicting the assassination of Barack Obama if he becomes the first black U.S. president.

The 88-year-old novelist's remarks came as the Democratic candidate toasted the most successful day in his White House campaign.

Mr Obama, the 46-year-old son of a black Kenyan man and a white American, dismissed Mrs Lessing's comments.

Miss Lessing said: "He would probably not last long, a black man in the position of president. They would kill him."

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She said it would be better if Mrs Clinton, 60, became America's first woman president with Obama as her running mate.

"Hillary is a very sharp lady. It might be calmer if she wins," she told a Swedish newspaper.

But one Democratic analyst said: "Suggesting Obama is in danger if he wins the election in November is not only divisive, it is insulting to the American people."

Princeton University political science professor-Melissa Harris-Lacewell raised assassination fears last month, saying: "For many black supporters, there is a lot of anxiety that he will be killed. It is on people's minds.

"You can't make a prediction like this - like he has a 50 per cent chance of getting shot.

"But the greater his visibility and the greater his access to people, there is a danger."

magooch · « **Reply #1 on:** February 12, 2008, 03:55:31 AM »

Then, by my vote I'll be doing what I can to save Osama's life. And that don't mean I'll be voting for the bitch.

nw_hunter · « **Reply #2 on:** February 12, 2008, 04:21:23 AM »

Quote from: magooch on February 12, 2008, 03:55:31 AM

Then, by my vote I'll be doing what I can to save Osama's life. And that don't mean I'll be voting for the bitch.

(RIGHT ON) Your going to vote for Ron Paul!

SHOOTALL · « **Reply #3 on:** February 12, 2008, 04:21:41 AM »

its a shame that such a comment is made !
any one who runs for or is elected President of the United States is at risk and shows a degree of bravery !
the person we choose should be the best for the job judged on ability to preform !

Graybeard · « **Reply #4 on:** February 12, 2008, 05:28:27 AM »

Dunno who this particular "they" is supposed to be but I must confess I hope the prediction is correct should he become the prez as I can't see how this nation could stand four years with a muzlim in charge.

tomzuki · « **Reply #5 on:** February 12, 2008, 05:54:04 AM »

Graybeard,

I love this forum. It provides me with valuable information for my sporting interests. If I understand you correctly, I will miss it if you do not immediately recant and revoke your statement above regarding your approval of the prediction for assasination. The rule of law must be followed, and whomever is elected must be allowed to lead and supported.

SHOOTALL · « **Reply #6 on:** February 12, 2008, 07:36:21 AM »

I can't imagine what the gun control laws would become if a non white or non male got elected then assassinated !
But it couldn't be good !

Dee · « **Reply #7 on:** February 12, 2008, 08:43:09 AM »

Regardless of who wins THIS election it ain't gonna be good, with or without gunfire.jmo

SHOOTALL · « **Reply #8 on:** February 12, 2008, 08:57:57 AM »

SHAME AIN'T IT !

deltecs · « **Reply #9 on:** February 12, 2008, 10:31:20 AM »

Quote from: tomzuki on February 12, 2008, 05:54:04 AM

Graybeard,

I love this forum. It provides me with valuable information for my sporting interests. If I understand you correctly, I will miss it if you do not immediately recant and revoke your statement above regarding your approval of the prediction for assasination. The rule of law must be followed, and whomever is elected must be allowed to lead and supported.

I think a man has a right to his opinion. There are several people who I think should be assassinated. Osama Bin Laden for one. Does that make me an assassin? By no conspiracy to, having no prior knowledge of or no participation in an assassination, is not a crime. Just because I'd like to see someone dead does not make me a criminal, I might be sacrilegious though. Graybeard has a right to his opinions, just as any other who posts and should not retract his opinion just because it offends someone else. That is the whole point of free speech, to express our opinions without constraint from others. You certainly do have the right to do what you think is necessary, go ahead. And no, I do not have to follow a leader and support him, as I know of no law that requires me to do so.

wareagleguy · « **Reply #10 on:** February 12, 2008, 11:03:56 AM »

A 9th grader in my child's school wrote in a book report that Bush should be hung for treason. Guess what, the FBI paid her a visit and she was expelled for two days. I guess as long as it's a Democrat president a good hangin' is fine?

deltecs · « **Reply #11 on:** February 12, 2008, 11:25:51 AM »

Quote from: wareagleguy on February 12, 2008, 11:03:56 AM

A 9th grader in my child's school wrote in a book report that Bush should be hung for treason. Guess what, the FBI paid her a visit and she was expelled for two days. I guess as long as it's a Democrat president a good hangin' is fine?

You may not see the distinction between advocating a course of action as to expressing ones opinion of a prediction or wish, but it is there. This is not about Republican or Democrat. Graybeard did not attempt to conspire for the action to occur, only expressed his opinion should it occur. The 9th grader was not expressing an opinion, when she incited punishment for a crime not convicted by his peers. That is called conspiracy to commit a crime. There are several laws against advocates of violence to the President that are not applicable to candidates. I'm sure the outcome was overly investigated, but who gave the information on a book report to the FBI for investigation? I think one would look at the school system, teachers and administrators, who perpetuated these extreme measures.

Dee · « **Reply #12 on:** February 12, 2008, 11:31:13 AM »

Kinda like the first grader that gave the other first grader a hug? Our public school system is a dismal failure.

deltecs · « **Reply #13 on:** February 12, 2008, 11:33:00 AM »

Quote from: Dee on February 12, 2008, 11:31:13 AM

Kinda like the first grader that gave the other first grader a hug? Our public school system is a dismal failure.

Too true.

351 power · « **Reply #14 on:** February 12, 2008, 12:28:02 PM »

it's comments like graybeard makes that prompt people in other nations to make the choices they do. that means less allies, not more

powderman · « **Reply #15 on:** February 12, 2008, 12:31:33 PM »

I still see obama as muslim, no way in hell I could ever support a pos like that, and neither should any real American. POWDERMAN.

wareagleguy · « **Reply #16 on:** February 12, 2008, 01:31:12 PM »

Here we go again, only real American...Blah, Blah, Blah.

I don't care for the man either but I think we should take a breath. I knew Bush was scab and that is why I never voted for him. I despise the man and also think he should go to trial for treason. I would never hope someone should kill him but rather this country would wise up and never let a person like that in again. From the three nuts we have to choose from I am sorry to say the country hasn't learned a damn thing.

30-30man · « **Reply #17 on:** February 12, 2008, 02:02:19 PM »

If anyone researches the church he belongs to, they would quickly realize the positions Barack is hiding. He belongs to a very racist, pro-African domination, anti-white church. The church he goes to endorses Louis Farakan (Spelling?). He is a Muslim racist piece of crap and for Barack to belong to this group is enough for me. IF he is elected, you will see reverse racism spread much farther against caucasions than it is now. We are living in a time where being pro-black is acceptable but being pro-white is a racist statement and can get you fired, investigated, and ruined. If he gets elected, it will be much worse. If you think this is not happening, then you choose to live with your head in the sand. There is no WET--White Entertainment Television, White American College Fund, or the National Association for the Advancement of White People. If there were, they would be in the news everyday and bashed for a racist organization. Are your white children able to apply for special college assistance because they are white? I'll be voting for McCain, not because he is a white male, he's the only one I respect.

Dee · « **Reply #18 on:** February 12, 2008, 02:11:19 PM »

Well 30-30man, I agree with every thing you said, UNTIL you got to the part about McCain. He is a liberal dressed as a moderate conservative. He is as damning to our country as Obama, OR Hillary.

tomzuki · « **Reply #19 on:** February 12, 2008, 02:32:55 PM »

To HOPE for some-ones murder is immoral and sinful. As a Conservative I could NEVER support any opinion to that end. This impetuous mindset will destroy any remaining credibility within (choose one, Conservative/Republican/Right/Neocon etc) party. All who do support this comment should be ashamed.

Please remove me from your forum. I resign in protest to your ignorant comments. I remain dis-associated to your prejudice. This is the very problem with the general public that doesn't truly understand the shooting sports members, and therefor they see all of us as you who make this type of comment. True Conservative are above this, unless you still live in the distant past. Best of luck to you all, Tomzuki, Out!

deltecs · « **Reply #20 on:** February 12, 2008, 03:28:14 PM »

Quote from: tomzuki on February 12, 2008, 02:32:55 PM

To HOPE for some-ones murder is immoral and sinful. As a Conservative I could NEVER support any opinion to that end. This impetuous mindset will destroy any remaining credibility within (choose one, Conservative/Republican/Right/Neocon etc) party. All who do support this comment should be ashamed.

Please remove me from your forum. I resign in protest to your ignorant comments. I remain dis-associated to your prejudice. This is the very problem with the general public that doesn't truly understand the shooting sports members, and therefor they see all of us as you who make this type of comment. True Conservative are above this, unless you still live in the distant past. Best of luck to you all, Tomzuki, Out!

The ignorant one is the person who absolutely will not understand or support my right to believe, think, and voice my opinion. It is not up to you to decide my morality or sin. That is why I do not, nor will be, a member of organized religion. The ignorant person is one who disregards my fundamental rights under the Constitution. It is your decision, whether or not those rights disagree with your personal beliefs. That personal decision permits you determine your associates. But to falsely accuse others of ignorance, prejudice, and immorality truly shows who the ignorant one is by not recognizing those rights. And as for the general public's opinion and understanding of shooting sports, your statement elucidates its extremely ignorant attitudes and need to be politically correct as the lemmings they are. This is true ignorance.

Dee · « **Reply #21 on:** February 12, 2008, 04:13:12 PM »

Quote from: tomzuki on February 12, 2008, 02:32:55 PM

To HOPE for some-ones murder is immoral and sinful. As a Conservative I could NEVER support any opinion to that end. This impetuous mindset will destroy any remaining credibility within (choose one, Conservative/Republican/Right/Neocon etc) party. All who do support this comment should be ashamed.

Please remove me from your forum. I resign in protest to your ignorant comments. I remain dis-associated to your prejudice. This is the very problem with the general public that doesn't truly understand the shooting sports members, and therefor they see all of us as you who make this type of comment. True Conservative are above this, unless you still live in the distant past. Best of luck to you all, Tomzuki, Out!

In other words; To hell with freedom of thought and freedom of speech. Say and do it like "I" want it, or not at all! Goodbye sir,

Graybeard · « **Reply #22 on:** February 12, 2008, 06:02:54 PM »

Just who died and left TomZuki in charge around here? I musta missed that event taking place. Bye bye Tom.

JonD. · « **Reply #23 on:** February 12, 2008, 06:35:57 PM »

IMO None of the candidates left in this election are worth voting for, especially Obama and Clinton. But I'm not to keen on Huckabee, or McCain either. Our country is already a mess, but I believe it's headed for real trouble, real soon.

.308 Win. · « **Reply #24 on:** February 12, 2008, 07:43:00 PM »

I can't help but laugh when Bill asked who died and left TomZuki in charge!!! There are folks I'd love to see lying in a casket, too, but I value what my Creator would think of me should I be the reason they're there. However, that doesn't stop me from wanting to see their pasty faces looking up at me with their hands folded together. Maybe in His eyes that's just as bad but some things I guess just can't be helped. Good thing we are living under His grace.

As far as the political climate we're in right now, I believe, from worst to better would be 1) Obama, 2) Hillary, 3)McCain and then Huckaby. I know Ron Paul is still technically in the race and while he is the official choice of this site, I don't give him much chance to win. With Obama, you're going to get a "Christian" whose church he belongs to advocates the furthering of the black agenda. That isn't what a church or a Christian's main focus is supposed to be. It is supposed to be about God, period, and nothing regarding politics. Secondly, where else in the world can someone of his background be even given the opportunity to run for president after something like 9-11 happened less than a decade before, knowing it was radical Muslims who were responsible for it? Nowhere. Makes me question the sanity of the American people. Hillary? Well, we already know about the Clinton family and even though everyone always hollers for change before an election, with Hillary all we'll get is more socialism and more attacks on our Second Amendment rights. Scandals, too! McCain is a RINO (Republican In Name Only) and I feel only slightly more comfortable with him than I do the previously mentioned candidates. Huckaby I think I could live with and in a position where there is no choice, I could even stomach McCain but not either of these two "Democrats."

I think the lack of any real contender with morality, dignity and decency makes for a sad day and time in this country's history.

no guns here · « **Reply #25 on:** February 12, 2008, 08:48:18 PM »

I'm not advocating anything illegal... but it wouldn't bother me if Hillary and Obama's planes happened to have a mid-air... then the pieces fell on McCain.

no guns here · « **Reply #26 on:** February 12, 2008, 08:54:01 PM »

I still think Obama's a Muslim at heart. Until he stands on international tv and tells the world that the koran is the devils work and curses islam I won't consider him anything but... His church is christian in name only. It is exclusionary and contrary to the traditional values of America. I really hope for that mid-air...

ironglow · « **Reply #27 on:** February 13, 2008, 02:14:07 AM »

.308 Win;

I would like to hear a qualifier for one statement you made..although I won't get my BVDs in a bunch, as TomZuk did ! I'll quote; " There are folks I would like to see lying in a casket too, but I value what my Creator would think of me, should I be the reason they're there."
Now, here's my problem, my grandson, along with many other Marines and soldiers have put many of those terrorists at "room temperature". You would have to go some distance to find a more sincere and committed Christian. Many of his fellow Marines are serious Christians also !
I believe God blesses what today's gallant troops are doing; because they are facing an implacable, evil enemy, bent on destroying anything they can, concerniong the
true I AM.
As God blessed his chosen warrior Joshua, so many centuries ago... for destroying those that would try to destroy Him, so I believe He sees a pattern repeated as when Joshua fought the Hittites, Jebusites, Amalikites and Philistines (Palestinians*).
I know you meant murder as opposed to honest warfare..but this old blacksmith just HAS TO stand up for his grandkid !

30-30 Man;
I have concerns about a possible "sleeper"..many cells have been in operation here in country for decades, if we can believe what law enforcement tells us.
Your estimation of his "church" agrees with mine ! The following article may be of interest:

www.debbieschlussel.adn.com/archives/2008/01/obamas_nation_o.html

Debbie Schlussel is an attorney/columist for such publications as Wall Street Journal, NY Post, Washington Times and The Jerusalem Post, and has a great investigative record of rooting out "hidden" truths.

Graybeard · « **Reply #28 on:** February 13, 2008, 02:15:53 AM »

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I'm not advocating anything illegal... but it wouldn't bother me if Hillary and Obama's planes happened to have a mid-air... then the pieces fell on McCain.

That's about as illogical and unlikely an event as anyone could possibly imagine but dang wouldn't it solve a lot of this nation's problems all at once.

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I still think Obama's a Muslim at heart. Until he stands on international tv and tells the world that the koran is the devils work and curses islam I won't consider him anything but... His church is christian in name only. It is exclusionary and contrary to the traditional values of America. I really hope for that mid-air...

Hey don't put that passed him. It's considered perfectly acceptable to say or do anything they need to in order to further the muzlim cause so it would be fine for him within the muzlim religion to say and do those things to get himself into a position to do the most good for them. If he does get elected you'll then see his TRUE COLORS for the first time.

SHOOTALL · « **Reply #29 on:** February 13, 2008, 02:48:12 AM »

The real tragedy is of the top 3 candidates , none really offer anything worth while to either side !
and here we sit getting high blood pressure over who is the worst !
it seems we have not only lost respect of the candidates but also ourselves as we have allowed ourselves to be drawn into the Petty arguments of the candidates leaving real issuers unresolved by both candidate and voter !
which candidate has real experience ? who has been a real leader ? who has stuck to convictions ? who has voted for the good of the country not personal gain ? etc.
no one knows every thing , so which candidate has access to people with knowledge and skills to assist in making the right decisions ? 2nd. amd. ?
DANG ! this sounds like a Ron Paul ad. and it never was intended to be one !