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States consider plan that would force Electoral College to choose according to popular v
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February 10, 2008
FROM THE ASSOCIATED PRESS
SPRINGFIELD, Ill. -- If John R. Koza gets his way, American voters will never again have to wonder about the workings of the Electoral College and why it decides who sits in the White House.

Koza is behind a push to have states circumvent the odd political math of the Electoral College and ensure that the presidency always goes to the winner of the popular vote.

Basically, states would promise to award their electoral votes to the candidate with the most support nationwide, regardless of who carries each particular state.

''We're just coming along and saying, 'Why not add up the votes of all 50 states and award the electoral votes to the 50-state winner?''' said Koza, chairman of National Popular Vote Inc. ''I think that the candidate who gets the most votes should win the office.''

The proposal is aimed at preventing a repeat of the 2000 election, when Al Gore got the most votes nationwide but George W. Bush put together enough victories in key states to win a majority in the Electoral College and capture the White House.

So far, Maryland and New Jersey have signed up for the plan. Legislation that would include Illinois is on the governor's desk. But dozens more states would have to join before the plan could take effect.

The idea is a long shot. But it appears to be easier than the approach tried previously -- amending the Constitution, which takes approval by Congress and then ratification by 38 states.

The Electoral College was set up to make the final decision on who becomes president. Each state has a certain number of votes in the college based on the size of its congressional delegation.

Often, all of a state's electoral votes are given to whomever wins that state's popular vote. For instance, even someone who wins New York by a single percentage point, 51-49, would get all 31 of the state's electoral votes.

This creates some problems.

One is that candidates can ignore voters in states that aren't competitive. If the Democrat is clearly going to win a state, the Republican has no reason to court its minority of GOP voters there and instead will focus on other states.

Another problem is the possibility of a result like that in 2000, where one candidate gets more votes overall but the other candidate gets narrow victories in just the right states to eke out a majority in the Electoral College.

National Popular Vote says its plan would change all that.

''What's important to the country is that it would make presidential campaigns a 50-state exercise,'' said Koza, a Stanford University computer science professor.

Here's how it would work:

States forge an agreement to change the way they allocate general election votes. The agreement would take effect once it's been approved by states with a majority in the Electoral College, or 270 votes.

At that point, the states would begin awarding their electoral votes to the winner of the national popular vote, regardless of who carries each state.

If the candidates tied in the popular vote, each state would give its electoral votes to the candidate who carried that particular state -- basically the same system used now.

There are critics. The downside, they argue, is that a close presidential election would require recounts not just in one or two key states, but throughout the entire country.

They also say it would further reduce the influence of small states as politicians focus on such places as voter-rich California, New York and Texas.

''Any way you look at it, I think smaller populations have a greater voice under the current system than they would under a national popular vote system,'' said North Dakota state Rep. Lawrence Klemin, a Republican who voted against joining his state in National Popular Vote's agreement.

Illinois Gov. Rod Blagojevich has not decided whether to sign his state's legislation to join the plan, his office said. When he was in Congress, Blagojevich co-sponsored a constitutional amendment to abolish the Electoral College in 2000.

Legislation endorsing the National Popular Vote plan was passed in California and Hawaii but vetoed by their governors. California Gov. Arnold Schwarzenegger said it would run ''counter to the tradition of our great nation, which honors states' rights and the unique pride and identity of each state.''

Koza believes the agreement proposal would standardize the way states award their electoral votes, give every voter equal influence and keep candidates from ignoring some states in favor of battleground states like Ohio and Florida.

He noted that neither presidential candidate visited Illinois in 2004, even though it has a population of about 12.8 million.

''The Republicans wrote it off and the Democrats took it for granted,'' Koza said, ''and that's typical of two-thirds of the states.''

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I would vote against it.
This system would take power away from the states.
There is more to a state than how many people are in it.

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i would also !
as far as i can see it worked great in 2000 !
JFK won the same way !
If ya can see it ya can hit it !

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That's got to be the stupidiest plan I've ever heard of. It's in direct contradiction of all the founding fathers set up to make sure each state had value in making the determination of who is president. I would loudly protest the change.


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Its a good thing to see plans like that made. It lets a guy know that they are not the stupidest person in this country! The problem with getting rid of the electoral college would allow the most populated states to control the presidential elections. And I'm thinking Kalifornia is the most populated and I'd hate them to control the presidency. If you get rid of the electoral college what would stop every state from running a candidate for president? And even with a primary system what are we gonna get? A contender from New York and from Kalifonia? Just something to think about.
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He noted that neither presidential candidate visited Illinois in 2004, even though it has a population of about 12.8 million.

''The Republicans wrote it off and the Democrats took it for granted,'' Koza said, ''and that's typical of two-thirds of the states.''


sounds like sour grapes.  If Illinois wants to be taken more seriously, start with their Cook County goverment.  If it wasn't such a pork barreled, pit of graft, maybe the GOP would be interested, and the Demoncrats wouldn't take it for granted?

No offense to the rest of Illinois, but dang.

Isn't Obama from this neck of the woods?  Hmmmmm.

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Nothing surprising about the plan.  Look at the States who have signed on with approval.  These States are extremely liberal Democrats and this would be one way for Democrats to collect popular votes from urban areas to the detriment of rural areas.  This is just another way in which the Democrats want to control our lives with socialistic goals and agendas.  The elite will try anything in the name of something other to control the masses and the income from them in the name of social benefits.  If they are so interested in making sure that the voters vote truly counts, then why doesn't the DNC do away with super delegates?  It seems they don't have enough faith in the individual voter to choose the appropriate candidate for office.  Now they want to ensure the candidate selected by super delegates is the person elected by popular votes.  This hurts the small states and leave major cities in charge of politics within a state.  NO WAY am I going to support this concept.
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Any state that signs on has given up states rights , what need will there be for the states ? the position of the state will be negated and forced away like so many middle management positions have been !
If ya can see it ya can hit it !

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Our system is not working! It has been corrupted, perverted to the point of ineffectiveness.  Look at our choices for President.  Will any of you be voting for the best man?  Or the one that you feel will do the least harm? 
And to be honest with you, with that slobbering pack of jackels milling around that they call the media, I can't imagine any decent, honorable person wanting the job of president.

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the system is fine the people are lazy and you can't legislate morals !
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