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Gullible Americans Never Ask Questions
« on: February 14, 2008, 02:09:32 PM »
Former Reagan undersecretary poses some questions. Americans never question or research basic premises.....fyi...TM7
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Gullible Americans

By Paul Craig Roberts

08/14/06 "Information Clearing House" -- --

I was in China when a July Harris Poll reported that 50 percent of Americans still believe that Iraq had weapons of mass destruction when Bush invaded that country, and that 64 percent of Americans still believe that Saddam Hussein had strong links with Al Qaeda.

The Chinese leaders and intellectuals with whom I was meeting were incredulous. How could a majority of the population in an allegedly free country with an allegedly free press be so totally misinformed? 

The only answer I could give the Chinese is that Americans would have been the perfect population for Mao and the Gang of Four, because Americans believe anything their government tells them.

Americans never check any facts.  Who do you know, for example, who has even read the Report of the 9/11 Commission, much less checked the alleged facts reported in that document.  I can answer for you.  You don’t know anyone who has read the report or checked the facts. 

The two co-chairmen of the 9/11 Commission Report, Thomas Kean and Lee Hamilton, have just released a new book, “Without Precedent: The Inside Story of the 9/11 Commission.”  Kean and Hamilton reveal that the commission suppressed the fact that Muslim ire toward the US is due to US support for Israel’s persecution and dispossession of the Palestinians, not to our “freedom and democracy” as Bush propagandistically claims.  Kean and Hamilton also reveal that the US military committed perjury and lied about its failure to intercept the hijacked airliners.  The commission even debated referring the military’s lies to the Justice Department for criminal investigation.  Why should we assume that these admissions are the only coverups and lies in the 9/11 Commission Report?

How do you know that 9/11 was a Muslim terrorist plot?  How do you know that three World Trade Center buildings collapsed because two were hit by airliners?  You only “know” because the government gave you the explanation of what you saw on TV. (Did you even know that three WTC buildings collapsed?)

I still remember the enlightenment I experienced as a student in Russian Studies when I learned that the Czarist secret police would set off bombs and then blame those whom they wanted to arrest..

When Hitler seized dictatorial power in 1933, he told the Germans that his new powers were made necessary by a communist terrorist attack on the Reichstag.  When Hitler started World War II by invading Poland, he told the Germans that Poland had crossed the frontier and attacked Germany.

Governments lie all the time--especially governments staffed by neoconservatives whose intellectual godfather, Leo Strauss, taught them that it is permissible to deceive the public in order to achieve their agenda. 

Some readers will write to me to say that they saw a TV documentary or read a magazine article verifying the government’s explanation of 9/11. But, of course, these Americans did not check the facts either--and neither did the people who made the documentary and wrote the magazine article. 

Scientists and engineers, such as Clemson University Professor of Engineering Dr. Judy Woods and BYU Professor of Physics Dr. Steven Jones,  have raised compelling questions about the official account of the collapse of the three WTC buildings.  The basic problem for the government's account is that the buildings are known to have fallen at free fall speed, a fact that is inconsistent with the government's "pancaking" theory in which debris from above collapsed the floors below.  If the buildings actually "pancaked," then each floor below would have offered resistance to the floors above, and the elapsed time would have been much longer.  These experts have also calculated that the buildings did not have sufficient gravitational energy to accommodate  the government's theory of the collapse.  It is certainly a known and non-controversial fact among physicists and engineers that the only way   buildings can collapse at free fall speed into their own footprints is by engineered demolition.  Explosives are used to remove the support of floors below before the debris from above arrives. Otherwise, resistance is encountered and the time required for fall increases.  Engineered demolition also explains the symmetrical collapse of the buildings into their own foot prints. As it is otherwise improbable for every point in floors below to weaken uniformly, "pancaking" would result in asymmetrical collapse as some elements of the floor would give sooner than others.
 
Scientific evidence is a tough thing for the American public to handle, and the government knows it.  The government can rely on people dismissing things that they cannot understand as "conspiracy theory."  But if you are inclined to try to make up your own mind, you can find Dr. Jones' and Dr. Woods’ papers, which have been formally presented to their peers at scientific meetings, on line at  http://www.st911.org/
 
Experts have also pointed out that the buildings' massive steel skeletons comprised a massive heat sink that wicked away the heat from the limited, short-lived fires, thus preventing a heat buildup.  Experts also point out that the short-lived, scattered, low-intensity fires could barely reach half the melting point of steel even if they burned all day instead of merely an hour.
 
Don't ask me to tell you what happened on 9/11.  All I know is that the official account of the buildings' collapse is improbable.
 
Now we are being told another improbable tale.  Muslim terrorists in London and Pakistan were caught plotting to commit mass murder by smuggling bottles of explosive liquids on board airliners in hand luggage. Baby formula, shampoo and water bottles allegedly contained the tools of suicide bombers. 

How do we know about this plot?  Well, the police learned it from an “Islamic militant arrested near the Afghan-Pakistan border several weeks ago.”  And how did someone so far away know what British-born people in London were plotting?

Do you really believe that Western and Israeli intelligence services, which were too incompetent to prevent the 9/11 attack, can uncover a London plot by capturing a person on the Afghan border in Pakistan? Why would “an Islamic militant” rat on such a plot even if he knew of it?

More probable explanations of the “plot” are readily available.  According to the August 11 Wayne Madsen Report, informed sources in the UK report that “the Tony Blair government, under siege by a Labor Party revolt, cleverly cooked up a new ‘terror’ scare to avert the public’s eyes away from Blair’s increasing political woes.  British law enforcement, neocon and intelligence operatives in the US, Israel, and Britain, and Rupert Murdoch’s global media empire cooked up the terrorist plot, liberally borrowing from the failed 1995 ‘Oplan Bjinka’ plot by Pakistan- and Philippines-based terrorist Ramzi Ahmad Yousef to crash 11 trans-Pacific airliners bound from Asia to the US.”

There are other plausible explanations.  For example, our puppet in Pakistan decided to arrest some people who were a threat to him.  With Bush’s commitment to “building democracy in the Middle East,” our puppet can’t arrest his political enemies without cause, so he lays the blame on a plot.

Any testimony against Muslim plotters by “an Islamic militant” is certain to have been bought and paid for.

Or consider this explanation. Under the Nuremberg standard, Bush and Blair are war criminals.  Bush is so worried that he will be held accountable that he has sent his attorney general to consult with the Republican Congress to work out legislation to protect Bush retroactively from his violations of the Geneva Conventions.

Tony Blair is in more danger of finding himself in the dock.  Britain is signatory to a treaty that, if justice is done, will place Blair before the International Criminal Court in the Hague.

What better justification for the two war criminals’ illegal actions than the need to foil  dastardly plots by Muslims recruited in sting operations by Western intelligence services? The more Bush and Blair can convince their publics that terrorist danger abounds, the less likely Bush and Blair are ever to be held accountable for their crimes. 

But surely, some readers might object, our great moral leaders wouldn’t do something political like that! 

They most certainly would.  As Joshua Micah Marshall wrote in the July 7 issue of Time magazine, the suspicion is “quite reasonable” that “the Bush Administration orchestrates its terror alerts and arrests to goose the GOP’s poll numbers.”

Joshua Micah Marshall proves his conclusion by examining the barrage of color-coded terror alerts, none of which were real, and, yes, it all fits with political needs. 

And don’t forget the plot unearthed in Miami to blow up the Sears Tower in Chicago. Described by Vice President Cheney as a “very real threat,” the plot turned out to be nothing more than a few harmless whackos recruited by an FBI agent sent out to organize a sting. 

There was also the “foiled plot” to blow up the Holland Tunnel and flood downtown New York City with sea water.  Thinking New Orleans, the FBI invented this plot without realizing that New York City is above sea level.  Of course, most Americans didn’t realize it either.

For six years the Bush regime has been able to count on the ignorant and naive American public to believe whatever tale that is told them.  American gullibility has yet to fail the Bush regime.

The government has an endless number of conspiracy theories, but only people who question the government’s conspiracies are derided for “having a conspiracy theory.”

The implication is even worse if we assume that the explosive bottle plot is genuine.  It means that America and Britain by their own aggression in Iraq and Afghanistan, and by enabling Israel’s war crimes in Palestine and Lebanon, have created such hatred that Muslims, who identify with Bush’s, Blair’s, and Israel’s victims, are plotting retaliation. 

But Bush is prepared.  He has taught his untutored public that “they hate us for our freedom and democracy.”

Gentle reader, wise up. The entire world is laughing at you.

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« Reply #1 on: February 14, 2008, 07:12:59 PM »
I am laughing.  Not with the rest of the world, just your description of it.  Since when do I care what the Chinese believe about Americans, especially so called intellectuals.  The Chinese are even more illiterate of world problems than most in the US.  Time magazine once pictured all the shoes from people killed with firearms, along with its ridiculously slanted and erroneous facts in the article.  Time agreed that the facts were false and erroneous, but refused to issue a correction.  It is also owned by a non American entity.  So any article read or quoted in Time magazine, I take for a grain of salt.  I think you would qualify that as questioning any veracity in material or substance.  The other so called experts may be propaganda against existing government officials.  As for the commission report, which I have read, suppressed facts regarding the reasons for 9/11 by the 2 co chairmen is questionable.  If as co chairs they suppressed this fact, then all other conclusions become extremely questionable.  If the facts are true, then the commission report is bogus in its entirety for not investigating and reporting accurately, thus any conclusions are now made questionable as to the causes.  Anybody can twist and turn any reporting or commission to some propaganda media in some way.  This is exactly what you are doing by using only those facts that you agree with.  There are hundreds of experts on Global Warming.  There are hundreds of them that disagree with Gore conclusions as to cause and subsequent effect.  I suppose the attacks on the Cole were self inflicted because we had to have a good reason to be in the Gulf.  I guess that the Embassy kidnapping and hostage crisis in Iran was a US government cover up because the oil companies were making too much money and wanted to suppress that fact.   I suppose it was media propaganda that reports terrorists calling for jihad.  That has nothing to do with our involvement in Israel.  It has everything to do with any infidels.   Unlike you, I question even the experts conclusions and use my own good common sense.  Can you verify with any certainty that Hussein did not have strong ties with Al Qaeda or terrorism in general?  
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« Reply #2 on: February 14, 2008, 07:31:52 PM »
By nature, I'm a questioning individual.  Just what are your conclusions as regarding the conspiracy theories you expound?  Don't give me a theory without deriving a conclusion or end result.  And what are your opinions with supporting logic based on this theory.  Any of them you write about.  I'm not interested in editorials; I get all of them I want in news articles.  I'm questioning; you state the resulting effect.
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« Reply #3 on: February 15, 2008, 05:48:53 AM »
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Robert's article above is his creation and as such he can draw from any of his experiences from China to Timbuktu to express his thesis (in this case that Americans fail to examine basic premises and too easily believe in the stuff offered up as real news and info)....

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I actually find the bashing of Americans believing and accepting the media like a bunch of lemmings amusing in this article.... especially since Mr. Roberts is a JOURNALIST...he is part of the great media machine in this country.  Thus making his arguments look very hypocritical -- especially when you take into account what he does for a living.  There is always a slant with some amount of untruth in everything that the American media puts out, even though it may not be a bold faced lie -- it's usually done by setting the stage, giving an impression, then stopping there and not telling the WHOLE truth.  My background is in the media and that is exactly why I do not work for any of the "news outlets".  Admittedly, it can be very worth while to take in the objective from the foreign media outlets at times, but the media is still the media -- be it here, or Europe, or Asia....their motive is not to report the truth but to make money and get people looking at what they have to say to help put their own agenda in the forefront.

Governments and politicians do lie, but journalists and reporters do it just as much if not more. 

Talking about asking questions... where is Mr Roberts education from??  He did post graduate work at University of California at Berkley, University of Virginia, and Oxford University....  Same type liberal schools that teach all those dirty politicians out there how to do business ;)

So is there some truth to what he has to say...sure, there may well be, but just like any good journalist there is a pile of horse huey in there too.

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« Reply #4 on: February 15, 2008, 10:29:58 AM »
OK, I'll bite a bit on this one.  Let's look at just one item as printed by Roberts.  In his article he stated the military perjured itself about the interception of aircraft.  The next paragraph questions whether airliners caused the collapse of the World Trade Center.  Were or weren't the airliners high jacked by Muslim terrorists?  The in flight cell phone calls from passengers in the PA crash indicated terrorists and Muslim terrorists at that.  So somewhere Muslim terrorists were involved in airliner high-jacking.  Now follow me here.   If the military lied about INTERCEPTION, for what reason?  If this was a plot somehow set up by our own government or others, for whatever reason, why then would the military have to lie about any interception?  Interception would not be wanted or required, so the necessity to lie about it doesn't exist when civilian passengers were a better excuse.  The military's inaction would logically be due to quantity of civilian passengers aboard and reluctance without proper authority to deal with it.  If Robert's conclusions are true, then how does one justify that the world trade center was demolished by bombs just after the airliner crashed the buildings?  The same cannot be said of the airliner that hit the Pentagon.  Any efforts to hide the real cause of collapse by the government would effectively have the same outcome.  So why didn't the Pentagon have more damage, if the government planted bombs?  It worked for the 3 buildings at the World Trade Center.  So we know the bombs are effective, if these existed, so then should have worked on the Pentagon and didn't.  Now what about the target that wasn't hit.  Why didn't the bomb go off there.  This target must also have had some redeeming feature in the cover up or it wouldn't have been chosen under a government plot.  So effectively, if we find this target, the evidence of government plot is still existing, since it hasn't been demolished.  One building was demolished without an aircraft hitting it, so where is the cover up in this particular instance?  If it happened with this building, it should have happened to the target the PA aircraft didn't hit either.  Too many inconsistencies in his article to believe any of the rest may have a particle of truth.  I'll write more about further inconsistencies in Roberts article in another post.
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« Reply #5 on: February 16, 2008, 11:09:56 AM »
I don't know if you watched the tower fall in live action.  I did.  If you slow the recording, it is obvious that the INTACT top floors fell onto the levels near the aircraft hit.  The rest of the building did not have any movement whatsoever, until the top floors crashed onto that level.  With the weight of 30 floors falling directly perpindicular onto the steel girder construction,this placed a shock load onto each supporting floor equally.  It takes mass and velocity or outside force, to move an object mass from gravitional direct line in a falling object.  No such mass was detected or observed.  So why is one now questioning the direct line of demolition.  This is simply Newton's laws of physics in application.  As each floor collapsed, additional matter and weight was placed on subsequent floors, which in effect, overcame any reduction in the velocity of the fall.  
A personal cell phone call is easily made from an aircraft.  I, myself, in violation of FCC regulations have done it shortly after 9/11, so cell technology would be similar.  It was done in an emergency from a small plane above 10,000', with no place to land due ground fog and we were attempting to locate a place where we could make an emergency landing.  No where, have I read or heard, that the cell phone call made from this plane was made on the aircrafts system.  The point you make here is not conclusive and only conjecture of others.  
As for the Pentagon hole, a building made of reinforced concrete is substantially different than one of steel and glass.  Obviously then, the amount of damage would be different.  Also the angle of impact would have much to do with any structural damage.  Not enough evidence exists except from so called aircraft experts.  The statement as to universal acceptance by these experts is not true.  The small plane theory, you relate has been debated since 9/11 and many aircraft experts conclusions differ from your universal acceptance statement.
What whole point exists, if Roberts conclusions cannot be verified?  The whole point of Roberts article is attempts to take unrelated details, weave them into a conspiracy/cover up/plot/ in order to sensationalize/market/influence people into believing something happened that did not for profit, by one method or another.  
The PA airliner was not intercepted as you indicate.  It crashed before reaching its target.  What was the target, since it did crash or self destructed?  Strictly diversionary tactics could have been accomplished with fewer losses of life.  If diversionary, the loss of life then wouldn't matter, if the end justified the means?  Not necessary and harder to cover up.  So why the loss?  If your goal was to kill Americans as infidels, this loss then becomes plausible.   You arguments in the PA flight, do not make sense.  As to the Islamic blowbackers comment, that is entirely false and not far fetched at all.  I happen to know several Muslims, who are very well educated, able, and could (again could) have high jacked this plane.  It doesn't take a genious to high jack a plane, so that statement is irrelevent and has no substance to the debate.  Now to understand all the cause and effects of 9/11, I must read Jim Marrs observations and conclusions and agree with it.  Do I disregard logic, physical evidence, my personal observations, and skepticism as to the motives of these theorists, to arrive at a conclusive belief that 9/11 is, and was, a cover up by the administration?  It seems I have to disagree with your logic, conclusions, and derivative cover up.

Why, oh why, do you insist that 9/11 was not a terrorist action, when Al Qaida, has taken credit for the attack and called for further jihad against the American infidel?  Are you so wrapped up in hating the existing government and its leaders, that you disregard these terrorist acts caused by religious extremists as patsies, and favor the concept to expose and expound imagined plots as instituted by others, likeminded, in order to undermine this government?  That is also an answer that fits all the facts.  
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« Reply #6 on: February 17, 2008, 11:34:02 AM »
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The idea that this operation could be pulled off by Islamic blowbackers high on Koran living in dirt caves in the Himalayas seems more and more far fetched.  The sophistication required for such an operation would preclude their exclusive involvement except as patsies.

Since this operation, whether or not commited by terrorists or some sort of cover up by the government, as you indicate was complex, sophisticated, many active participants, and knowledgable.  Granted.  Now, in the last 50 years, the US government in attempts to cover anything up, or operate in any sort of secrecy without someone blowing the whistle, has failed miserably.  Now you suggest with this many operatives needed to effect this cover up, that it is probable, possible, and in reality true, that it was successful.  I suggest you look at the far fetched conclusions arrived in at in these posts with a government cover up being successful.  It is much more realistic and believable that an independent secretive terrorist cell was operating, than to believe that the government could kill over 3,000 innocent citizens with all the people needed to plan, execute, pilot the planes, mandatory orders to subordinates, demolition experts installing the explosives, workers involved in waste disposal with possible evidence contained therein, absolute timing required with possible communications interception, the potential of innocent bystanders as eye witnesses contradicting the actions, and not have it exposed, is so far fetched as to be unimaginable.  A president is exposed, who has a sexual fling with only the 2 of them in the room, and only them knowing the secret; yet you insist that a secret operation of this magnitude, with innocent lives murdered, billions of dollars in damage, the most precise timing and execution by many, is completely successful and secret.  That is the most staggering leap of faith I've ever heard.  This is the same leap of faith attitude by voters for Democrats to get elected.  It is obvious who the gullible American is in believing this tripe.
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« Reply #7 on: February 17, 2008, 01:50:02 PM »
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Have you taken time to peruse this forum and access the various sites offered

Yes, I researched a lot of sites regarding the cause and effects of 9/11.  Unlike you though, I've tempered my research to include those sites that differ and offer substantial evidence with conclusions different than the cover up theory.  I think you are wrong with the belief that a new president will expose a cover up regarding 9/11.
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« Reply #8 on: February 18, 2008, 12:30:07 PM »
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MIT engineering professor Thomas W. Eagar was at first unwilling to acknowledge the concerns of the movement, saying "if (the argument) gets too mainstream, I'll engage in the debate." In response to physicist Steven Jones publishing a hypothesis that the World Trade Center was destroyed by controlled demolition, Eager stated:

"These people (in the 9/11 truth movement) use the "reverse scientific method"… they determine what happened, throw out all the data that doesn't fit their conclusion, and then hail their findings as the only possible conclusion."[14]
Obviously, not all engineers agree with 9/11 Truth Movement.  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/9/11_Truth_Movement

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  Reasons to doubt the official story of September 11th, 2001, the 9/11 Family Steering Committee Review of the 9/11 Commission Report, and The 9/11 Commission Report: A 571-page lie, an article by David Ray Griffin based on his book Omissions and Distortions.
 
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David Ray Griffin (born 1939) is a retired professor of philosophy of religion and theology. Most recently, he analyzes information and proposes 9/11 conspiracy theories that contradict the official government theory. Griffin's theories implicate some elements of the United States government in the attacks.
 
Obviously, well qualified for divine interpretation, but just as obviously not for facts. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_Ray_Griffin


http://www.9-11commission.gov/  Read the report here that refutes much of what you expound with evidence.

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  National Institute of Standards and Technology issued a seven-page study based on its earlier 10,000-page report on how and why the trade center collapsed. The full report, released a year ago, and the synopsis, in a question and answer format, are available online at http://wtc.nist.gov. 
 
Obviously the engineering aspects of the WTC collapse have been reviewed thoroughly.  No evidence whatsoever indicates use of or typical destruction by explosives. 

http://www.propagandamatrix.com/articles/april2005/200405factandfiction.htm 
Just another article with references from witnesses, evidence shown, and debunk of conspiracy theory and where some of it started and by whom; Pentagon hit by a pro-communist author translated into English as "9/11: The Big Lie"

There are more, but I'm tired of presenting contradictory evidence in refute of your conspiracy theory.  You stay gullible and believe what you want.  Just because you are a skeptic, willing to agree with any opposition using any means to discredit the current administration, spread propaganda in the name of truth much like Al Al-Jazeera, and use emotion instead of logic to achieve a predetermined conclusion, is much like trying to talk about private possession of firearms to liberal and not worth any more of my time.






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Re: Gullible Americans Never Ask Questions
« Reply #9 on: February 21, 2008, 09:01:21 AM »
TM7-oh no !! Not again...ho ho ho 

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« Reply #10 on: February 21, 2008, 10:44:19 AM »
TM, I'm not saying move on or any such thing and request you don't express my views.  You have every right to express your opinion, but you do not have the right to express mine.  From what real evidence I can find, there is no conspiracy by government to cover up 9/11.  What I do find are articles, slanted conclusions derived by others toward anti Bush administration, outlandish conjecture, and a willingness by unknowledgeable writers, money grabbers, and foreigners, expounding and spreading propaganda.  I've debated my objections, researched your so called facts and evidence, and have arrived at my own logical conclusions, which are objectionable to yours.  I do not continually debate with those too emotional to logically review their position and steadfastly hold to their ridiculous opinions, endlessly.  You spit in the wind and I'll p*** downwind and we'll see who comes away dry.
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Re: Gullible Americans Never Ask Questions
« Reply #11 on: April 17, 2008, 04:58:20 AM »
Now we are worried about what the chi/Com's think of us, people are always going to think what
they will, nothing you can do about that.
TM7 you have said that you think you know what will happen next, or have information that proves this
or that, don't you feel obligated to tell your fellow citizens this info. so we can take measures to
protect our selves, or would you rather keep it a secret, like you say the gov. does.
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« Reply #12 on: April 18, 2008, 09:16:15 AM »
That is what i thought.
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« Reply #13 on: April 25, 2008, 04:18:54 PM »
I think I'm going to start a thread called:  Hungry Conspiracy Theorist Believe ANYTHING that Supports Their Position.  Then I'm going to load it up with posts full of thousands of words that will give me a platform & basis to incite people from the other side (non-conspiracy theorist) to respond to. Then when they respond with counter information, I'll call them Gullible and follow up thousands of more words of baseless garbage that I will use to in turn incite more responses. If I plan this correctly, I think I can load up my day with this type of senseless Internet trash talk.

Its amazing what I can accomplish using this tactic in the 24 hour day since I have nothing else to do with my time.

This will give me a great sense of accomplishment.
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Re: Gullible Americans Never Ask Questions
« Reply #14 on: April 26, 2008, 03:33:10 AM »
I think I'm going to start a thread called:  Hungry Conspiracy Theorist Believe ANYTHING that Supports Their Position.  Then I'm going to load it up with posts full of thousands of words that will give me a platform & basis to incite people from the other side (non-conspiracy theorist) to respond to. Then when they respond with counter information, I'll call them Gullible and follow up thousands of more words of baseless garbage that I will use to in turn incite more responses. If I plan this correctly, I think I can load up my day with this type of senseless Internet trash talk.

Its amazing what I can accomplish using this tactic in the 24 hour day since I have nothing else to do with my time.

This will give me a great sense of accomplishment.

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Why you are too late.....it is already being done.  You aren't getting a little seasick along about now,,,are you?  Still waiting for your definitive analysis and support of the official conspiracy theory.

...TM7

Yes I am waiting for definitive facts. Its a real short coming that I suffer from. Wanting facts as proof instead of unsupported hearsay and lies.

I'm sure you could recommend someone for me to see about this short coming that I suffer from. Maybe if I take up membership with the ACLU or similar left wing operation. They seem to never let facts get in the way of their cause either.
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