I thought about giving the Meade stuff a try but then changed my mind this morning. I ordered a Mueller Apv. I saw a Weaver v-9 on sale for $109 and it was tempting. I think the Weaver stuff is made in Japan now, don't know about the Simmons. I read where most of them are made in the Philippines or China but can't say for sure. The thing that killed the deal with the Weaver was the bad reports on their customer service. There were quite a few since Meade has taken over. The simmons customer service use to be great when Blount had the company. It was too much of a gamble for me. I knew what to expect with the Mueller, I just had too many doubts on the Meade stuff.