Remington Factory Parts! Read this article Remmy Fans!

[safetysheriff]

at the bottom of this post is a 'link' to a sniper site that has some interesting articles.  this is about a rather expensive tune-up of a Remington.   but it involves the use of the "old-style" trigger group that the "Tac Ops" company puts into their "shooters"; and it involves use of factory Remington hammer-forged barrels; and of course the factory Model 700 action.   one of their targets is a .179" beauty with the re-worked rifle!  (factory rifles shoot at almost 1/2moa, and even less at times in the 700P variation)

my point is the capability of a hammer-forging operation to produce a world-class rifle barrel.   in other words, the barrels consistency/accuracy can be built in with hammer forging:   land and groove diameters, pitch of the rifling, etc.   some people argue against competition-grade accuracy using hammer-forging.   Tac Ops shortens the barrels and re-crowns them, giving them a tight head-spacing job.   

my further point is the tuning that can be done with the older Rem' trigger groups (we did it without machining by putting in a new pull-weight spring) that helps so much with accuracy.    i hope you enjoy this.

www.snipercentral.com/tacops700p.htm       

[trotterlg]

I would sure hope that your Remington rifle plus $1575.00 would get a shooter!  That would be like a $2200.00 rifle plus a scope, for $3000.00 I could think of a lot nicer rifle to buy than a Remington.  The article looks like it was written by the marketing department.  Larry

[corbanzo]

Instructions:

Pull rifle out from under remington safety, give us 2 grand, put rifle back under remington safety.

[safetysheriff]

the work is maybe overpriced.  and some of it is not needed on a 'civilian' rifle.    they did a lot of work including what is needed to install a suppressor ACCURATELY, with the protective cover in case the suppressor isn't used.   that is machining that is very expensive.   the cover is possibly expensive.   the re-chambering and other barrel work is significant.   the bolt handle replacement is not needed by one of us.  nor is the metal finishing that is done when they send the rifle out.   

but:  that's not the point.   and maybe you purposely missed it.   the remington barrel, the older remington trigger group, and the stock supplied with the model 700p (or in this case with the model 700 sps varmint) are capable of phenomenal shooting.   and they will achieve that phenomenal shooting without some of the work that they charge $1575 for.   

just something to re-think, so the original comments on the factory parts are not lost.

ss'

[trotterlg]

I would say their sales pitch worked really well on you.  Larry

[safetysheriff]

larry,

thanks!   i'll take that as a compliment.

ss'   

[corbanzo]

I mean..., it sounds like they are asking you to spend a bunch of money to make a really good rifle into a really good rifle. 

But yes, I can see your point in a custom shop keeping the factory parts instead of replacing them, good parts.

[safetysheriff]

corbanzo

hey, like they say in the commercial, "thanks for your support!"

ss'

[victorcharlie]

Gotta spend all that money to make it shoot like a Savage! 

[Brithunter]

Hmmm I didn't read the article but I had a thought over this and a question:-

Remington hammer-forged barrels; and of course the factory Model 700 action.

   Now it's my understanding that in hammer forging that the chamber is formed at the same time as the rifling is formed around a hard reverse former. BSA used this method in the latter production to make it's barrels and if the former is ground as is normal then the chamber is formed perfectly in line wiht the bore, yet I see quite a few mentions of Remington barrekls witht eh chmaber throat slightly off center to the barrel. I also understood that Remington Button rifled it's barrels not Hammer forged them.

  So which is it?

[safetysheriff]

Remington's Model 700's are hammer-forged units.   their model 710's and 770's are button rifled.   the barrels are rifled and then annealed to remove the stresses from them before they can be chambered, i'd say.    i don't think anybody today is trying to hammer forge a chamber at the same time they form the rifling on the mandrel.   the tooling costs and the tendency to push a chamber off its axis with the bore would probably be too high.   

the talk about remington screwing up so many rifles in their model 700 lineup is probably just that:  talk!   i don't see it happening and i've worked with enough of them to believe they are nowhere near as fouled up as some would have us believe.    i wouldn't see the very good shooters that i'm seeing if remington was producing so much junk as some say. 

ss'   

[Brithunter]

   i don't think anybody today is trying to hammer forge a chamber at the same time they form the rifling on the mandrel.   the tooling costs and the tendency to push a chamber off its axis with the bore would probably be too high. 

   Now that makes not sense at all!!!!!!!!!!!!! seeing as how the hammer forging process is rotary the forces are equal on all sides otherwise the barrel would be bannana shaped and forming the chamber at the same time is quite logical as with an accurately ground former it means that all the chambers wil be the same and perfectly in line with the bore. If the chamber is made deep it's an easy job to face the barrel to correct length when threading for correct headspace.

[safetysheriff]

   i don't think anybody today is trying to hammer forge a chamber at the same time they form the rifling on the mandrel.   the tooling costs and the tendency to push a chamber off its axis with the bore would probably be too high. 

   Now that makes not sense at all!!!!!!!!!!!!! seeing as how the hammer forging process is rotary the forces are equal on all sides otherwise the barrel would be bannana shaped and forming the chamber at the same time is quite logical as with an accurately ground former it means that all the chambers wil be the same and perfectly in line with the bore. If the chamber is made deep it's an easy job to face the barrel to correct length when threading for correct headspace.

brit'

the ruger company has been forging barrels (and buying forged barrels for their use) for a length of time.  they are reportedly finding their best results by using a lathe to cut the barrel threads and chamber the barrel in an operation separate from the forging process.     this was learned from "notes on hammer-forged barrels" by james higley and vern briggs.   they explain radial and rotary machines used in forging barrels and why the one type is difficult to forge chambers with on the same mandrel the rifling is done.    on the winchesterguns.com website they state that their chrome-moly barrels are also rotary forged.   i would guess they also do a separate chambering operation, therefore.   

i do admit, however, that remington's process might use radial rather than rotary hammer forging and might allow them to chamber a rifle at the same time.   remington's accuracy makes me doubt that is the case, however.    it's one thing to forge a chamber on a machine gun that sprays bullets and another to forge a near-match-grade chamber on a barrel at the same time, i'd guess.    considering what we pay for many of todays rifles i think they could be including the cost of a separate chambering operation.   

ss'