How do you feel about American Muslims?

[Dee]

Dee,,,,my belief system is not so much of a student of conspiracy but more the study of the cronynism and hate abounding with you armageddonites reunited with the zionist. Tis not Christianity in any sense and is no better than the radical islamicist...maybe worse cause you portend what you are not.  Perhaps you might care to ask me why I take this stance and position?
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TM7, I have read your posts, and admitted to actually agreeing with some of your views. However, when one gets to the twin towers conspiracies they loose me, as I saw what I saw. As for government corruption only a fool would say they are not. It is however, not so much as a conspiracy as it is an obvious fact. Money corrupts, and money has corrupted out government, and with the candidates now available there is basically no candidate worth a red p%#, in my opinion.
But let me address my opinion on your opinion of my Christianity, and Israel, in comparison with Islam, radical or not. There is no comparison. I believe that you truly believe what you say you do. But however, I believe you to be wrong in regards to my Christianity, and Israel. As far as asking you why you take such a stance, my response is I don't give a damn why you take such a stance, because I think your wrong.
With a corrupt government, and terrible foreign policies, and an apathetic and spoiled population, I still love America. I also believe that you are one of those spoiled Americans. If you were not an American, and talked about your country any where else, you would be taken out and shot. And that dear boy is a fact.
When you get on one of your Zionist rants you sound like an ignorant white supremacist, and pretty much loose any audience you might have had.
I understand Israel's history, and God's promise to them, and I support them, while I watch the Muslim try and wipe them out, simply for being an Israeli Jew. God said we should love Israel, and help them, and I believe that. He (God) also promised them their land back, and even gave the boundaries for that land. They (the Israelis) are where they are supposed to be, and I believe that also. If you believed the Bible, you would know that. You don't sound much different from the Muslim to me, and I don't believe that you love God, or maybe you don't even believe in God. I do, and we are too far apart on that issue alone, to reach much common ground on the other issues. I quite frankly don't understand why you stay in America, as much as you seem to love the Muslim, and defend his treachery to America and Israel. A war is fought killing fellow combatants, not intentionally killing inocents. Innocents get killed in war for sure, but the Muslim kills them for the pleasure of killing a defensless non-combatant, that is not capable of fight back. They are in this respect cowards, and vermin, and have proved no political point. They have just exercised their power to kill defensless fellow humans. And you defend them, and their conduct.  Feeling the way you do, it would seem to me you would want to be around folks of your own kind.  JMO

[powderman]

IRONGLOW, DEE. Well said, I agree.
Youthpastorjon. In all the years I've been reading tm7s posts I can't remember even one time that he's had anything good to say about Israel, Jews, GW Bush, our govt, or even about America. On the other hand he always seems to make excuses, or deny the carnage done by the Godless ones. I think he'd be happier with his own kind. POWDERMAN. 

[Dee]

Given your attitude toward Christians, America, and Israel in general, I choose to dismiss and ignore you hence forth. I will no longer respond or even acknowledge you presence on this thread, this forum or any where else for that matter. You are not worth the time and effort. The others may do what they wish. Good luck on your journey.

[deltecs]

Given your attitude toward Christians, America, and Israel in general, I choose to dismiss and ignore you hence forth. I will no longer respond or even acknowledge you presence on this thread, this forum or any where else for that matter. You are not worth the time and effort. The others may do what they wish. Good luck on your journey.

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Light your blame thrower and blame me if that is your rational scheme of things and last resort .  But it is not me ... it is the truth that bothers you, and that you refuse to deal with and acknowledge. Stay a sleep and ignore the truth...I'm just the messenger.  Discuss the issues or discuss me it matters not...if Dee will not go to the mountain then the mountain will come to Dee.
Given your erroneous beliefs toward America, Christians,  Israel,  Mos'lems, and the phenomenal world it is just a matter of time till something wakes you from your slumber.  If it isn't ex-mossad agents fessing up, or engineers discussing pulverized buildings, or ex-military telling truths, or TV specials from Britian, or what patriotism is,  or the sheer weight of current events then I don't know what it is......but at some time the dream will end and you shall awaken.

..TM7

You may want to apply the advice to your own beliefs.

[powderman]

tm7. It was well known and proven that the Godless ones killed our Marines in beirut, now you are saying it was Israel?? Horsecrap. Thats ridiculous even for you. What are you drinking, or smoking??? POWDERMAN. 

[deltecs]

  Deltecs,,,,you could use a little sunlight shining in too. Never said I wasn't wrought with imperfection.  Actually, this whole thread is an ancillary study in how the Nazi Socialist brainwashed a whole nation with the help of the Internationalist and Theocracy to do dreadful deads in the name of God. 

Kind of like moslem extremists doing brainwashing on Americans in the name of God, right?

[ironglow]

hundreds, including service personnel, reporters and intel agencies have told us that it was koo-koo Muslims that did the dirty work;
   Do you really expect us to believe one guy named Ostrowsky or such...and discount the hundreds of credible witnesses ?

   Chances are likely that the single person could be deranged, a Muslim convert ..or both !

[powderman]

tm7. For the life of me I can't understand how anybody, even you, can see just the opposite of the truth. You seem to see things completely bassackwards, like you see the world through a mirror. If you told me the sun was shining, I'd grab an umbrella. POWDERMAN. 

[SHOOTALL]

TM-7 , the Muslims and Christians have been at odds for centuries , how can a country that's not a 100 years old be the Root of all the problem ?
If Israel was in fact the problem then why are the Muslim's invading all the western countries ? Yes the migration is a peaceful ( for now ) invasion !
The western world may through our laws have provided the Trojan horse that the Muslims will use to try and destroy us !

[woodchukhntr]

TM-7 , the Muslims and Christians have been at odds for centuries , how can a country that's not a 100 years old be the Root of all the problem ?
If Israel was in fact the problem then why are the Muslim's invading all the western countries ? Yes the migration is a peaceful ( for now ) invasion !
The western world may through our laws have provided the Trojan horse that the Muslims will use to try and destroy us !

Shootall,

You get a 100% on understanding the Middle East situation.  What seems to be missing from the Western understanding of the situation is that the (Muslim) nations surrounding Israel do not want peace, they are the aggressors and they want Israel eliminated.  It is even official policy in many of the Muslim nations and is taught in their schools.  And the world does not see anything wrong with that?  We get criticized over the Guantanamo "detainees", but so-called "Palestine" is not criticized for allowing a militia to have rockets?  And Syria nad Iran are not criticized for sending the rockets to them? They are violent people who hate Israel to an extent that we cannot conceive.  And the world does not condemn the aggressors, they condemn Israel (see cartoon)!  I guess we should not be surprised though, anti-Semitism has been around a long time!

In Europe, while European governments are criticizing Israel, the Muslims are taking over.  And they are threatening the countries that they have immigrated to with violence if their will is not done, or if their religion is in any perceived way criticized.  Our laws are indeed the Trojan horse for them.  One day we will wake up, but it will be too late.

[rebAL]

Sad & disgusting that a sincere person seeking to learn about God would have to renounce a literal translation of his bible.  It seems that the only good Muslims are heretics of their own religeon.

[powderman]

It's really quite simple. Christianity, started by Christ himself, teaches love and forgiveness. Islam, started by satan through mohamed, teaches hatred and death to all who will not follow him. The goal of islam at its inception, then, now, and will always be, the destruction, anhilation, of everything Jesus taught or built. Simple enough for ya tm? POWDERMAN. 

[rebAL]

I am of the opinion that the Muslim race was part of God's plan and descended from Ishmael, the son of Abraham & Hagar.

[SHOOTALL]

race ?

[rebAL]

Ya, race.  Although mohamed may have begun an established Islam faith,, it seems to follow along racial tribal customs.  Personally, I can not accept it as anything but a faith. begun by a false prophet.

[crustaceous]

Whose god is more vicious? Take the God vs. Allah quiz
http://www.landoverbaptist.org/news1001/viciousgodquiz.html

[woodchukhntr]

The problem with Christians is that they don't follow the Bible.  The problem with Muslims is that they do follow the Koran.

RebAL, you are right, the Bible should be approached literally although there are places that might not be literal such as the parables, which seem to me to be teaching illustrations used by Jesus and these stand out for what they are.  Jesus accepted the Bible literally, never saying anything to show otherwise.  And we know that he was never too shy to point out error in the religious system at that time!  If He felt that Scripture was inaccurate, He surely would have mentioned that somewhere.  As far as the N.T., if one has doubt that it contains what God wants it to contain, then one must doubt the power of God to do so.

Powderman,  I like your style!  Simple and powerful! 

Ismael, the child of sin;  Issac, the child of promise.  Even today we see the consequences of sin committed 4000 years ago.

[DalesCarpentry]

I am of the opinion that the Muslim race was part of God's plan and descended from Ishmael, the son of Abraham & Hagar.

I don't see the Muslims as being a race. I see them false religon. Dale

[ironglow]

What's to be said ? Black is white ? Up is down ? Truth is a lie ? Tall is short ? Hate is love ? Peace is submission ?...

[DalesCarpentry]

Just a tid bit of information here. This thread has made the statistics as far as one of the top ten threads with the most replies. Dale      http://www.gboreloaded.com/forums/index.php?action=stats

[powderman]

Ishmael was Abrahams out of wedlock son, Hagar the mother. God had his own plans for a son for Abraham, and it wasn't ishmael. An angel told Hagar that her son would be named ishmael and that he would have a troubled life. He would be against every man and every mans hand would be against him. The Godless ones are his descendants. POWDERMAN. 

[ironglow]

   Powderman gave you all the straight scoop;
   
    God sent the angel to tell Hagar about her coming son, who was to be the progenitor of the Arabs:

   "  And he will be a wild man; his hand will be against every man, and every man's hand against him;
    and he shall dwell in the presence of all his brethren. "

                                                                                           ( Genesis 16:12)

    Isn't it just miraculous how God's prediction is just a real today as it was some 4-5,000 years ago !
   Note: Although it is expected that his descendants would be hateful of Isaac's descendants; after
  all, God made Isaac the heir, not Ishmael....God said that the Arabs would fight among themselves
  also....saying that the Arabs would dwell among each other but individually,  their hands would be
   " against every other man"..

[woodchukhntr]

Ishmael was Abrahams out of wedlock son, Hagar the mother. God had his own plans for a son for Abraham, and it wasn't ishmael. An angel told Hagar that her son would be named ishmael and that he would have a troubled life. He would be against every man and every mans hand would be against him. The Godless ones are his descendants. POWDERMAN. 

You hit it again Powderman!  Genesis 16:12 was written around or before 1400 BC.  The Koran was written around 600 AD, 2000 years later as Satan's way to unite the Ismaelites and push them into attacking the children of Issac, Jews (physical children) and Christians (spiritual children).

[Dee]

I am of the opinion that the Muslim race was part of God's plan and descended from Ishmael, the son of Abraham & Hagar.

You sir are CORRECT! Your synopsis is BETTER THAN OPINON. It is fact.

[glockman55]

Well I guess I'm prejudice , When I seen all these Muslims in Dearborn, Michigan cheering when those bastards attacked our Country on Sept 11, I have no use for those POS. You want to be American, then do so other wise get to hell out.

[woodchukhntr]

Well I guess I'm prejudice , When I seen all these Muslims in Dearborn, Michigan cheering when those bastards attacked our Country on Sept 11, I have no use for those POS. You want to be American, then do so other wise get to hell out.

A very good point.  They knew that they would be protected by American law and did not fear rejoicing when their host country was attacked by their brethren.  I could imagine what would have happened if 9/11 had occurred in Saudi Arabia and Christians living there rejoiced:  They would have been attacked by Saudi "civilians" and the police would have eventually been sent in to quell the resulting bloodbath after they thought that the Christians had been taught their lesson.  Those survivors would have been lucky to escape the country with the clothes on their back.  And the world would have said "too bad for them, they shouldn't have antagonized the Saudi's".

[powderman]

Well I guess I'm prejudice , When I seen all these Muslims in Dearborn, Michigan cheering when those bastards attacked our Country on Sept 11, I have no use for those POS. You want to be American, then do so other wise get to hell out.

Exactly. I say again, AMERICAN, and muslim shouldn't be on the same page, let alone in the same sentence. No such critter. POWDERMAN. 

[woodchukhntr]

Except the first Crusades were to wipe out Jews and Islamics in an effort to capture Jerusalem,,but not too successful like this last crusade.
Now I see the only sane high brass holding back the crazies, Admiral Fallon, has resigned.  Let's hope he goes public.

And Barnabas the Cypriot, Jesus' best friend and pardner, had a real different take on the muzzies than you modern day zio fundamentalists....did he not?


...TM7

I can't quite understand where you are going with that, but do you realize that Barnabas probably died about 500 or so years before there were any Muslims?

I wasn't aware that Barnabas was "Jesus' best friend and pardner".  Do you mean Paul, not Jesus?  Or is your bible different from mine?

[ironglow]

TM;

  You contradict yourself, if Barnabus were a close confidant while Jesus walked this earth..Barnabus could not have been speaking of any muslims..simply because Islam was not yet "invented" by Mohammad..

   And your claim that Jersus said "family feuds are ancient and of the literalists"...I don't know what you're talking about...and until you can give me book, line and verse
 where this is found..I shall assume that you don't know what you're talking about either.

[ironglow]

 Correction: Saul (later Paul) met Jesus on the road to Damascus. That meeting was so earthshaking to Paul that his conversion was immediate..even though he was on his way to Damascus to persecute Christians.
   Yes; Ishmaelites did exist long before Islam was invented. The descendants of Ishmael went by a variety of names like Ammonites, Jebusites, Caananites, Midianites etc.
   Although most were animistic, worshipping the stars, moon and probably  sticks & stones. Some worshipped Baal and his consort, Asherah...many sacrificed their children to Molech.
   The crescent in Islam, is a vestiginal remnant of the moon-god worshipping...The Hebrews were a nation/state making their way back from Eypt while those various Ishmaelite tribes were still chasing after Baal and various "high places"...
       Mohammed's invention of Islam was about AD 620...long after the Jew's second temple was history for hundreds of years...