Whaddya think guys? Time to rally 'round @#%# bag McCain?

[leesecw]

There were other candidates in the early primaries that had more conservative stands that I agreed with. I voted for them, not Mcain. After the primaries I just shook my head wondering where the conservatives were. Maybe home protesting and not voting?

[Doublebass73]

The old cliche is true - I didn't leave the Republican party, the Republican party left me.

[leesecw]

Ditto on thatdoublebass but change it to "WE didnt leave the Republican party, it's left US"

[Hammerspur]

I have to agree with Ironglow on this one.  Let's face it, McCain is what we have and there's nothing that's going to change that at this point in the game.  Time to buck up and vote for the "Maverick" and hope like heck he doesn't stab us in the back.  I love this country!

Lesser of two evils beats the HELL out the alternative... at least in terms of what we can know for certain ahead of time.
It's a gamble, but beats simply throwing your ante out the window on the way to the casino!

Personally there is no sense in my voting for ANY presidential candidate, and I've not bothered to do so for many years.
I live in an unwaveringly blue state so my ballot counts for naught.         

[Graybeard]

Time for a reality check folks.

Reality is that the next President will be either John McCain, Hillary Klinton or the muzlim Obama. Get used to it one of those three are gonna be President come January 20, 2009.

It really matters not how you feel about any of them or whether it makes your blood boil one of the three is gonna be sitting in that chair next year.

So the choice you are faced with is WHICH of them do you prefer. Not which you'd like to be there or which you'd chose if you had a choice of anyone in the world but which of those three do you want to run this nation for the next four years?

If you chose hillary or obama then I have to wonder what the hell are you doing at a site like this? 

Folks it's time to face facts one of them will get the job and if you vote or anyone other than McCain as repugnant as he is to us then you might just as well vote for one of the other two cuz they are the only three who have a snow ball's chance in hell of getting elected. Yeah I hate to see McCain elected but I'd a thousand times rather it be him than hillary and I just absolutely cannot in my wildest imagination conceive of turning this nation over to a muzlim.

It's gut check time folks get real one of those three are gonna be sitting there come January so face facts and make your choice which you want leading this nation. There are no other choices. Think of it this way.

What's the one food you hate most in all the world the one you despise so much you say you'd never ever touch it? Now given the choice of dying of starvation or eating it which would you do? Would you die rather than eat it? Well that's the choice facing us now in this election. Hard as he is to stomach he's so far ahead of the other two you best hold your nose and take a bit and hope you live long enough to try another meal of some other more palitable nature next time.

[oldandslow]

Don't believe it could have been stated it plainer or any better Graybeard. Unfortunately there seems to be some here that think they are upholding some kind of principle by not voting for McCain and assuring that a liberal democrat will be elected. It is that fuzzy headed thinking that has gotten us into the mess we are in today. Anyone is better than either of the democratic choices but some people just will not see it.

[deltecs]

Don't believe it could have been stated it plainer or any better Graybeard. Unfortunately there seems to be some here that think they are upholding some kind of principle by not voting for McCain and assuring that a liberal democrat will be elected. It is that fuzzy headed thinking that has gotten us into the mess we are in today. Anyone is better than either of the democratic choices but some people just will not see it.

Fuzzy headed thinking that got us this way, is just how the Democrats got into the situation they are in now.  Trying to appease all the people, all the time, with laws enacted to achieve these lofty goals has ruined our economy, basic American heritage, patriotism, and righteousness.  The Republican party has finally bought into this tripe.  Our choices are limited in the extreme, but to vote for total surrender to this political correctness, is not my idea of conservatism.  We must vote to preserve what conservative values are left, then go after those we've lost and correct them.  It must be McCain in this instance and exercise our conservative choices this year, by voting against liberal Representatives in Congress.  That should send a strong message to any sitting President. 

[sr sawyer]

Graybeard you have hit the nail on the head.  The folks on this site I thought were second amendment advocates and the Dems are not on our side.

[Fazak]

Lookin' like 51-48 Texas for Obama.

http://www.drudgereport.com/

~~~She's gone where the goblins go,... be-LOW!,... be low-oh-oh~~~

[billy_56081]

  I have to say Bill has said it best. I will say this though, I am going to put my finger to the wind and if John McCain has a chance of winning in MN I will hold my nose and vote for him. But Minnesota rarely votes for a Republican candidate and I the polls show him being defeated by a good margin here I am either going to write my own name in or vote for whoever the libertarian candidate is for a protest. I agree that if you are in a position to stop either that vile witch mother in law type Hitlary or the terrorist sleeper Barak Hussien Obama do it no matter how bad McCain makes you want to vomit. I think that if Barak Hussien Obama does get the presidency we may have a second civil war "this time it will be a true civil war". Maybe we need this again to clear out some of the scum that have decided that this is a tossed salad we have instead of a melting pot. I am really getting tired of the "world view" the "multi cultural" all this dang crap that is being pushed on us. I am really appalled by what is being presented to me as a presidential candidate this year. As bad as George Bush is he is miles ahead of what we are being givin this year. How do any of these candidates or any of the candiates or presidents of the past 20 years would stack up against a guy like George Washington? How about Teddy Roosevelt? Garbage that is all we are getting. Nothing but pure stinking garbage and I for one am sick of it!

[leesecw]

I live next door in Michigan, same-o on the state voting democrat predominately but Im not going to throw my vote away on a protest regardless of what the polls say. All three canidates stink to me but Im going to have to look MCain as to where he stands against the democrat. Hillary or Obama are worse than Mcain but its going to be one of the three regardless of what I feel. Im not throwing my vote away

[ironglow]

GB;

   You are demonstrating great wisdom..
     McCain is not my choice by a long shot, but he's a lot closer to my real choice than the witch or the mullah.

  Who knows..he probably will nominate a conservative running mate..and may even listen a bit to him/her.

   What is the most important thing a pres does domestically..appoint Supreme Court justices..and he promised to appoint strict constructionist ones.

   That alone is worth voting for..because you KNOW what kind of judges the Sheik and the Hildebeast would appoint !

  ..And he will take care of our troops !

[billy_56081]

Minnesota like most states is a winner take all in the electoral college and being that the popular vote doesn't matter, it will not be throwing my vote away if McCain doesn't have a chance in the November election here. If only they could all lose and we could get a new batch of candidates to chose from.

[papitt]

Well I guess I'll back into the booth to vote in November ....I lost my Ron Paul vote today ....

[Graybeard]

We cannot begin to retake the politics of this country from the top down it must come from the bottom up. The time and place to vote for third party candidates or such is at the local and state level not for the US President or Congress. There we must hold our nose and vote the best available to us and then try to make the changes at the local and state level to get decent qualified candidates elected so they will be in line to run for the higher offices.

[deltecs]

GB;

   You are demonstrating great wisdom..
     McCain is not my choice by a long shot, but he's a lot closer to my real choice than the witch or the mullah.

  Who knows..he probably will nominate a conservative running mate..and may even listen a bit to him/her.

   What is the most important thing a pres does domestically..appoint Supreme Court justices..and he promised to appoint strict constructionist ones.

   That alone is worth voting for..because you KNOW what kind of judges the Sheik and the Hildebeast would appoint !

  ..And he will take care of our troops !

Everything you've posted here, I agree with.  We got to remember something else at the voting polls.  While there voting for McCain as not our favorite choice, every House of Representative candidate, will be there too.  If we want to temper any liberalism by McCain, the best way to that is get rid of liberal Congressmen, incumbents or not.  There are 435 House members up for re election too.  And about 33 Senators.  This election is a perfect time to get rid of those liberals or conservatives in sheep's clothing.  We can look at who signed the amicus brief in favor of Heller, to find out who will support our rights.  If he/she/they/them are not on the list, do not vote for them, vote for a more conservative candidate or write one in.  That's what I'm going to do.  If Hitlery or Obama get elected, we will need these conservatives in Congress.

[ironglow]

 Right Deltecs;
   I have a great Congressman, who is a personal friend and always votes the way most of us guys would want..except for a few of the guys ..that reel seriously toward the left.

[crustaceous]

There's more liberals supporting gun rights than you guys think.
http://liberalswithguns.com/_wsn/page3.html

[JeffG]

A lot of the Republicans are voting for Obama in the primaries, just to get rid of Billary; then vote Republican in the general election...  I think that gonna come back and bite them.

We cannot begin to retake the politics of this country from the top down it must come from the bottom up. The time and place to vote for third party candidates or such is at the local and state level not for the US President or Congress. There we must hold our nose and vote the best available to us and then try to make the changes at the local and state level to get decent qualified candidates elected so they will be in line to run for the higher offices.

By the way Bill, well said!!

[Swampman]

It looks like Hillary's still in it until November.  That's a good thing.  John McCain is the Republican nominee.

[ironglow]

  Crusty;
   Trusting liberals to protect our 2nd amendment rights, would be like asking Col. Saunders to babysit our chickens !    ...nuff said..

[Doublebass73]

Don't believe it could have been stated it plainer or any better Graybeard. Unfortunately there seems to be some here that think they are upholding some kind of principle by not voting for McCain and assuring that a liberal democrat will be elected. It is that fuzzy headed thinking that has gotten us into the mess we are in today. Anyone is better than either of the democratic choices but some people just will not see it.

If you're going to place blame on people like me who aren't voting for McAmnesty could you at least explain how it's our fault that we are in the mess we are in today?

I've voted nothing but Republican in every election, voted for Bush in '04 etc. They rewarded me for voting for them by giving us one of the largest expansions in federal government ever seen and also whittling away at our Constitutional rights. Bush has also said he would sign any assault weapons ban that came to his desk. The Republicans do not represent me.

[SHOOTALL]

rule by a king or compromise is the choice our fore fathers had !
and now some don't like compromise , do ya want the king back ? guess it would be OK as long as its my king not your king !

[deltecs]

Here's one reason to vote for McCain.  Your vote does count.  I've taken the total number of votes in the Democratic party primaries.  The official total is 27,776,129.  The percentage difference between the 2 Democratic candidates are .012 %.  If one absolutely will not vote for either Obama or Clinton and vote for a 3rd party candidate using the same percentage points, it would take less than 3 GBO members to determine an opposite outcome.  Let me explain.  I foresee the upcoming general election to mirror the Democratic primaries.  If McCain and the Democratic candidate are virtually tied, then using the Democratic primary percentage as applied to GBO only, will be just a very few votes that will determine this election.  Take GBO current membership of 23,811, multiply that by the Democratic primary percentage difference between the candidates of .012%, and the result is a staggering 2.8 people.  Remember that these figures are assuming every GBO member voted along the Democratic primaries model.  So in a very close election, which this one is turning out to be, it may come down to just 3 people out of every 25,000 that will make the difference in who is the next President of the US.  I'd personally hate the idea that I was one of those 3, who voted a 3 rd party candidate when this vote could have prevented either Obama or Clinton from being in the White House.  These are facts, go look them up, if you think I'm wrong.  http://elections.foxnews.com/2008/03/05/after-all-said-and-done-clinton-obama-running-virtual-dead-heat/

[deltecs]

So, I guess we all need to buckle under, join in the social cause for the greater good, follow the herd and vote for what is offered up. OKay...I'll be thinking about it for a while. We'll see what develops, and who his running partner is. Hopefully we can discern who the 'strict constructionist' judges are suppose to be.


...TM7

With all your research into government conspiracies, you absolutely know what Obama and Clinton will do regarding constructionist judges.  So if you want liberal judges, probably more so than those that would be appointed by McCain, then by all means throw your conservative vote away.  After one of them is voted President, then with your skepticism, you can delude yourself into thinking it was not your vote that made the difference.

[Swampman]

"THE GOP, the Republican Party, appears to be broken......"

This country and the rest of the world is broken.  God's gonna fix that soon enough.

[jimster]

Sure is funny how politics divide like minded people like us.  Ya, I know bottom line is the result, and I know when people break off from the Republican party to go somewhere else and try to have some form of conviction, that the worst can happen just because of the math.  No problem admitting that.  I've been holding up the best of the worst a few times, this time I was pretty mad.  OK...closer it gets to maybe Obama getting a chance,  or the crazy lady, I get more scared, sure...and I suppose as the time gets closer to vote I'll probably have to do the same thing again as what I've been doing.  BUT IF YOU DON'T MIND I'D LIKE TO BE TEED OFF FOR A WHILE LONGER AND WHEN I DO VOTE I'D LIKE TO MUTTER THINGS IN A LOW TONE THE ENTIRE TIME I'M REALIZING THE MATH SCARES ME MORE THAN BEING ABLE TO WALK AWAY FROM A PARTY THAT HAS FAILED ME MISERABLY.
Well...feel better now.  My wife and I were talking about this for the past week, she too is scared of the other two the closer it gets.  We are both pretty teed off it comes to this.

But if one of the REAL bad ones get int there...I ain't blamin anyone who wrote in something or voted third party...can't blame em if there fet up.  
I have a feeling more of us will pull together in the very end to keep the worst out.....but don't ask us to take the blame either way it goes no matter how we vote, the Republicans
don't deserve a lot of support lately.  
Shoot..I got stuck with President Clinton for 8 long years, only thing that slowed him down was we removed Dem's out of Congress in his second term.  Worst thing that happened to the Republicans was they let the media crucify Newt, and when he left, the rest of  the Republicans forgot how they got in there.
Politics divide people more than it brings them together.  Seems like as long as that happens, the more we will be choosing the best of the worst.

[deltecs]

I'm not trying to divide us from our common firearms stance.  What I'm trying to do, is prevent known anti firearms candidates from attaining office.  If we disregard every other issue from this election except the candidates position on firearms, the choice becomes clear.  One of 3 candidates currently running is going to be President.  2 of those candidates are absolutely against private possession, protective use, and personal carry of firearms.  One is not 100% favorable either, but his position is better than his opponents.  So the end result is vote for him or vote for someone other than the leading candidates.  Voting for someone else will result in the exact opposite, to what our vote intended.  The other conservative issues are also subject to the same scenario above with the same results. 

[Graybeard]

A lot of the Republicans are voting for Obama in the primaries, just to get rid of Billary; then vote Republican in the general election...  I think that gonna come back and bite them.

I agree and that is what scares me most about this upcoming election. I think McCain has a chance of beating Klinton but I don't think he has a chance if the muzlim is his opponent. If she doesn't beat him out neither will McCain. I just cannot conceive of how bad it's going to be if we get a closet muzlim as President. During his first term they will pour into this country in such numbers that even the mexicans will wonder how they got left out. The US will become a muzlim majority country in one term under him.

This country and the rest of the world is broken.  God's gonna fix that soon enough.

And the sooner the better as far as I'm concerned. I sure don't see mankind fixing what we've messed up.

[ironglow]

 Agreed; ..GB