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Offline handgunhuntr

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« on: July 09, 2003, 03:24:11 AM »
I was considering a 15" 308 for my Encore.  I friend of mine said that his 30-06 gave better performance and "less recoil".  How can this be?  So, to settle this argument, I need your input.  Thanks for your time guys.
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« Reply #1 on: July 09, 2003, 04:59:29 AM »
i don't see how! same bullet + MORE powder = MORE recoil.
i guess it's possible he had less percieved recoil if time had passed since he fired them. when i first got my 15" 7-08, i thought it was pretty rough in recoil, but after firing it some more, it's not that bad. you just have to condition yourself to it. ol pj's shooting a 300mag, he's tougher than woodpecker lips :-D  i prefer the short cases, and they will do everything i want out of them. :D
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« Reply #2 on: July 09, 2003, 05:31:17 AM »
Tougher than woodpecker lips :) Na just nut's :-D
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« Reply #3 on: July 10, 2003, 03:53:23 PM »
kyode is right i have a 10'' 480.  i've been practicing with, and  it  was prity harsh at first but i kinda got use to it . 3 days ago i got my F.R.O.  308 and it's not as bad as my 480
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« Reply #4 on: July 10, 2003, 05:57:00 PM »
On a recent visit to the range there was a guy there with a 15 inch 338 win mag , He only brought 8 rounds though.
More than I need from a pistol.
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« Reply #5 on: July 11, 2003, 01:43:44 AM »
Hey PJ, Enjoy those Woodpecker Lips while you can, mine got old and soft.  Arthritis is turning me into a real sissy.  I can't wait to tell my wife that my Woodpecker Lips have gone soft.  GOOD SHOOTIN',  Walt   :-D   :-D   :-D
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« Reply #6 on: July 11, 2003, 08:41:51 AM »
PJ = Woodpecker Lips. Now that is quite a handle you got there PJ.

On to the topic at hand. The Recoil calculation Forumla I have does indeed take into account Powder Charge. In fact in my cousin's Ruger 77 .338 WinMag we just went through a similar discussion. I told him that Powder Charge Weight did indeed make a difference in perceived recoil. The discussion went on to the point that given two powders (on opposite ends of the burning rates that were suitable for his cartridge) loaded to the same velocity, the faster burning powder (because it uses less powder) would produce less recoil. My cousin would not believe me, so he went to loading some ammo and chronographing. In the end he concluded that the recoil formula was correct. Now he loads his .338 with H-4895, is not giving up enough velocity to talk about, and it is much more shooter friendly.

The same should apply to the .308 vs .30-06 debate you are talking about. In my mind the .308 would make the most use of available bore capacity. There is only so much powder that can be burnt in a .30 Caliber Barrel 15" long.

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« Reply #7 on: July 11, 2003, 08:56:17 AM »
Ok,  So if I am reading this correctly, depending on the powder used, it IS possible to get better velocities with the 30-06 and have recoil similar to the 308?
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« Reply #8 on: July 11, 2003, 10:57:43 AM »
That's kind of the idea. Depending on the powder used recoil can vary with either cartridge. However just as importantly Muzzle Blast and Flash will also vary. It largely depends on what you expect out of either cartridge in terms of performance.

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« Reply #9 on: July 14, 2003, 12:34:02 AM »
I am of the opinion (they're like feet, everyone usually has more than one, and we tend to think everyone else's stink) that you will be hard pressed to get a significant velocity increase in an '06, versus a .308, given the 15" barrel. Not saying you couldn't get faster with the '06, just that it wouldn't be significant. I am basing my opinion on theory and experience with other cartridges, not on these two specifically. Also, if you observe the SAAMI pressure differential, it would certainly be moot. I just ran a recoil calculator for the same gun, bullet, and velocity; with a powder spread of 20 grains. The 20gr increase in powder added only 12% to the free recoil. Loaded to equal pressures, with the same weight bullets, they should perform about the same from a 15" barrel - muzzle blast & flash NOT considered. I suppose you two better do some exhaustive testing, and let us know what the results are :)  >>>>>Bug.
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