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Battery Update
« on: March 03, 2008, 07:49:50 AM »
Rainman your post on batteries is timely and hopefully you do not mind me starting a new topic with it.

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Quote from: Siskiyou on November 13, 2005, 03:06:51 PM
One of the important ones is the power source.  Both take common over the counter AA batteries or re-chargeable AA batteries.  If you are close to home this might not be important.  But I think in the terms of being an emergency responder, traveller, fisherman, and hunter.  I am a big time user of re-chargeable batteries close to home for both my portable radio, and gps.  But I like all the options.  I consider a gps that takes a none standard size battery a liability. 

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"Sorry about not being on subject, but Siskiyou, have you tried out the new Sanyo Eneloop rechargeable AAs?  I just bought some to try out with my GPS and digicam and they look promising.  They're supposed to have a much slower discharge rate than a standard NiMH, holding up to 85% of their charge after a year of storage!  Seems promising if you're in the field a lot and you need to grab some spare, charged batteries off the shelf.  I found a kit at Costco that has 8 AA, 4 AAA, C & D adapters, and the Sanyo charger for $25." 
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About a year ago I bought a package of Sanyo rechargeable batteries and the charger.  I did it because of the good reputation Sanyo batteries have.  When I got home I tried some in a Mini Mag-lite was surprised to find they were over sized.  I recalled years ago we were issued alkaline batteries from a different manufacture for our portable radios.  The new batteries were oversized and cracked the battery packs.  Wanting to avoid that problem with my gps I returned the Sanyo batteries.  After doing this I tried my Energizer batteries in the same flashlight.  They were also larger diameter then the alkaline batteries. 

Currently I have a large number of re-chargeble AA batteries, which I use in radios, gps units, and a camera.  I also rotate a couple of sets of AAA batteries for a granddaughter’s game.  Some of my NiMH batteries are around five years old and I would like some fresh batteries next fall. 

I understand the big advantage of the Eneloop battery is they retain a charge longer in storage.  I see an advantage in using this technology for me.  First is in an older digital camera that takes four AA batteries.  I currently use NiMh batteries in it.  But if the camera sets for a month, and I fail to recharge the batteries I cannot depend on it, especially in cold weather.  The second place where they would have an advantage is with my portable FRS/GMRS radios.  I keep two of them with cases and batteries in a brief case.  These radios see some use during hunting season, but otherwise they are stored for emergency use.  Every couple of months I will pull the case out and re-charge the batteries. 

I use my gps units on a regular bases, and will stick the batteries in the charger as needed.  I also have a 12v adapter for my charger if I need to recharge on the road.  I do not see an advantage in using Eneloop batteries in something that is being consistently used.  In fact there maybe a disadvantage to using them.  I believe Sanyo Eneloop batteries are rated at 2000 NiMh, and Rayovac Hybrid batteries are rated at 2100 NiMh.

Sanyo also sells a 2700 NiMH battery and a few other makers sell 2500 NiMH batteries.  The NiMH batteries at the higher rating are approaching the rating of Lithium batteries.  I would not be surprised to see a 3000 NiMH AA battery on the market in the next year or so.  I also expect to see an increased rating in the Hybrid/Eneloop batteries.  Based on what is available today I would select the 2700 NiMH batteries for my gps units and the Eneloop/Hybrid batteries for camera use, and long-term storage with my radios.  For field use I would go for the 2700 NiMH batteries in my radios or alkaline batteries because of the approximately twenty-five percent increased capacity.  If I used my gps unit infrequently I would go for the Hybrid/Eneloop battery. 

I believe that a couple other manufactures are now selling recargeable batteries designed to hold up during storage.




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Re: Battery Update
« Reply #1 on: March 05, 2008, 04:29:22 AM »
Rainman your post on batteries is timely and hopefully you do not mind me starting a new topic with it.
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I use my gps units on a regular bases, and will stick the batteries in the charger as needed.  I also have a 12v adapter for my charger if I need to recharge on the road.  I do not see an advantage in using Eneloop batteries in something that is being consistently used.  In fact there maybe a disadvantage to using them.  I believe Sanyo Eneloop batteries are rated at 2000 NiMh, and Rayovac Hybrid batteries are rated at 2100 NiMh.


Not a problem starting a new topic...I felt kind of bad burying my comment in the other post.

As far as capacities, in theory, you are correct.  I've wondered about the reduced capacity of the Eneloops, myself.  However, tests other folks have done are indicating the Eneloops are lasting longer than higher capacity batteries, especially in digicams and flashlights.  A normal NiMH cell maintains a voltage of around 1.1V throughout most of its discharge cycle. The Eneloop maintains a voltage of about 1.2V through most of its discharge.  Unless your device voltage cutoff falls somewhere below 0.9V, you may not gain a lot of advantage with a higher capacity, but lower voltage battery.

I guess we need to do some testing.  One individual was testing in his camera and got over 400 mostly flash pictures from the Eneloops, vs. about 300 pictures from some Energizer 2500 mah NiMH cells.