Brit Commentary On Mid-East Culture/Islam

[Hammerspur]

I had to share this with you guys!
Listen to this exasperated voice of reason from across the pond:

http://www.dotsub.com/films/moredemands/index.php?autostart=true&language_setting=en_1618

[Brett]

Every word of it is true and there are a 'Shiite' load of idiots here in our country that want to climb right into the boat with the Brits.

[deltecs]

Yeah,,,seems like he has a legitimate gripe,,,,,except he should be shooting more at his own country's leaders that allow this crap......TM7

So Western governments should tolerate this crap from terrorists?  I bet this is a US conspiracy too, to distract from US involvement in Iraq.  Notice who took responsibility for this offense.

CAIRO, Egypt —  Al Qaeda in Islamic North Africa claimed responsibility for kidnapping two Austrian tourists last month in Tunisia in an audio recording aired Monday on Al-Jazeera television.

A man who identified himself as Salah Abu Mohammed said in the recording that the terrorist group kidnapped the two Austrians on Feb. 22 in retribution for Western cooperation with Israel, but said the hostages were in good health.

"We tell Western tourists that at the same time they are flowing into Tunisian lands seeking joy, our brothers are being slain in Gaza by the Jews with the collaboration of the Western states," said Abu Mohammed.

"The mujahideen have previously warned and alerted them that the apostate Tunisian state cannot and will not be able to protect you, and the hands of the mujahideen can reach you wherever you are on the Tunisian soil."

Austria's Foreign Ministry said last week that two Austrian tourists have been missing in Tunisia since mid-February. The Foreign Ministry described them only as a 51-year-old man and a 40- to 45-year-old woman.

Officials say they haven't been heard from since they placed a phone call from the Matmata area in southern Tunisia.

[deltecs]

My point is that instead of bringing this back to our leaders, why not confront the source.  The source is terrorists in whatever disguise or guile or organization that threatens governments with violence, instead of negotiation.  That is reason enough for anyone or any government to invade, deter, exterminate, or topple those governments supporting or sympathizing such attitudes and organizations, anywhere.  My posts was to ensure that you and everyone else knows that Al Qaida is terrorizing, operational, and effective in the safe harbor of Islamic nations, not Israel.  I'm not standing up for Israel, but making an observation that no amount of slight of hand can mask.  The kidnapping of 2 Austrian civilians, along with the injuries and deaths of civilians of all Western countries, cannot be attributed the US government or due some conspiracy theory.  Al Qaida and other like minded extremists ignited a terrorist war against any religion other than Islam and, any government not oriented around Islam, especially western civilizations not communistic.  No amount of Bush bashing or Jewish criticism is going to stop them from this goal.  Nothing Bush or the US government is going to do is going to change this.  The only answer is to topple Islamic controlled governments and exterminate extremist terrorism clothed in whatever form.

[deltecs]

Because the muzzies are the muzzies and don't belong here....leave them alone over in their desert. The leaders are in part the problem... if not the whole problem. Muzzies might be treacherous, I don't care,,,I don't want to mess with them, just buy alittle oil from them.  I believe we are or can be equally treacherous. The guy ranting on this video is not discussing remotely your view of making the world safe for pax-America or pax-Israel.  He's talking about erosion of his culture and I can relate to that. But if the truuth be known the corporcrats running things are more than happy letting the world convert to an authoritative autotomic fatalist world order, such as quazi-islam, because that is the best 'worker' to feed to the machine.  And that is why things are working out like they are.

...TM7

TM and others, one more time.  Religious terrorists, whether Islamic or not, are not going to let anyone be, even if we leave them alone.  All that does is indicate to them we are weak and ineffective respondents to violence.  It does not matter if they are left alone, they feel and believe it is their religious duty to convert the rest of the world to their religion.  Leaving terrorism alone is putting ones head in the sand and saying we don't have a problem, or conjuring another slight of hand, by focus on some other problem arena, while we hope the terror problem will solve itself.  It is had to remember that your primary problem was to drain the swamp, when you are up to your a** in alligators.  The primary problem is terrorist violence, generally by some governments' tacit support or safe harbor.  Currently, the majority of these governments are controlled by Islamic extremists.  When was the last time you saw Israelis bomb a subway in London or Spain, high jack a commercial jet liner, seize a passenger liner, or kidnap embassy personnel for over a year?   This has all happened and more in the last 2 decades by Islamic terrorists, without any retribution.  We left them alone. 

[Hammerspur]

Every word of it is true and there are a 'Shiite' load of idiots here in our country that want to climb right into the boat with the Brits.

YES! The "PC Police" are all over the tube and other mass media and firmly entrenched in our higher education (re-education?) system.
Have a 5 minute conversation with your average "academic" about anything geo-political as a test to see if you agree.
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"Because an opinion is popularly held is no proof it isn't totally absurd."

[deltecs]

  TM7
Maybe things aren't as they seem, and I think you are acting naive.  ...BTW,,,,the funny thing is the only non-extremist Mos'lem ME leader we invaded and hung. 

You know, I may be naive and maybe all things are not as they seem, but to simply state that Saddam Hussein was the only non extremist muslim leader is naivety at its apex.  I think you are so wrapped up with your conspiracies and Bush hating, government hating, and selective conjectures,  it has clouded your judgment to the point of paranoid delusion.  In todays news are several articles, where Saddam did in fact support financially and materialistically several terrorist groups throughout the middle east.  Admittedly, not Al Qaida, but any terrorist group committing violent acts on civilians is still terrorism.  And as far as your ridiculous analogy comparison to individual criminal actions as compared to terrorism groups and governments that harbor them, you compare apples and oranges like someone on LSD.   You are beginning to sound like a liberal, that completely ignores common sense, facts, and decides everything emotionally.  As far as the degree of terrorism that exists, it is you, who do not recognize a problem when it faces you for over 20 years.  Goodbye.

[Brett]

Whenever I see  post by TM7 I pull out this handi little gadget.

http://americanpatrol.com/POPUPS/BS-Meter.html

[rockbilly]

Prior to WWII the public did not look upon the what the Germans and Japanese were doing in the rest of the world as a threat to the security of America.  Could that be the case here?

My ole Grandpa use to tell me, "Son, an ounce of prevention is worth a pound of cure."  Nuff said!

[powderman]

DELTECS. YEP. POWDERMAN. 

[powderman]

The Godless ones have been dropping 50 rockets a day for the past 2 weeks into the town of Sderot in Israel. Their target? Jews, any of them. When the sirens go off the people have 16 seconds to be in their shelter, the old and disabled have to sit it out. I believe that Israel should trade them rocket for rocket. No targets, just send em at civilians like the Godless ones do. These are the subhuman scum that tm 7 defends. POWDERMAN. 

[deltecs]

That would be difficult to list Palestinian resolutions by the UN because it is not a member country or country at all.

[billy_56081]

  TM7 once again you crack me up! Now you are stating that the UN is a valid group? Come on I'm tiring of your Neo Nazi Jew hating garbage. You will use any source to spew your hatred and Anti semitism. I know its pretty obvious but again I'll tell you that in the Middle East Israel is good and the muslim nations are bad. Just that simple.

[powderman]

tm. I don't know how to look it up, but the un is on satans side, not ours. The un, like you, always condemn Israel for defending herself. The Godless ones target civilians, theirs, and Israels. They intentionally hide in folks homes, launch death  from schools or hospitols, hoping for high civilian casualities when Israel retaliates. Israel targets the militants, civilians die, part of the Godless ones plan. Then they whine and cry about that mean ol Israel, and get other panty wetters, like you, to cry FOUL. What kind of a man would be overjoyed to see his child strap on explosives to kill an Israeli child??? A muslim. Utopia for the Godless ones would be to see one of their rockets hit an Israeli school, or even better yet, a daycare center full of Jewish children. They'd be in pig Heaven, ooopppps, did I say pig??? Yep, Israels the bad guy, Yeah right. POWDERMAN. 

[billy_56081]

  TM7 what are you a Nazi or a muzzie? I cannot believe a person that seems to have your education cannot see the forest for the trees.  I have never stated anywhere that the violation of UN sanctions was a good reason for invading Iraq. I am just glad that evil muslim animals are being exterminated.  No matter what the propaganda you have been brainwashed with the muslims are the evil doers wake up. They are using polical correctness to put the yoke of Islam on others. What this man says is true. I mean a guy with your education just proves what Ron White is absolutly true.

[billy_56081]

The Muzzies are the bad guys and the Israelis are the good guys. Your links mean nothing, anyone can put up whatever they want it doesn't mean it's a fact. You are definitely proving Ron White to be 100% correct.

Try this link heck they got pictures of a real Chupacabra if you see it on a web sight it has to be true.

http://www.elchupacabra.com/

[powderman]

tm7. Your links confirm what I said. The Godless ones intentionally get their own civilians killed so you, and the others, can piss and moan about those terrible Jews. You wife must be real proud of you. POWDERMAN. 

[deltecs]

And by the way,,,,the reason you can't find any UN sanctions, reprimands, or proxys against Palestinians is because there isn't any you hypocrites.

As I stated above with your feeble attempts toward misleading truth, is you will not find any resolutions against Palestinians because they do not have a country to file resolutions against from an organization, whose membership is only composed of independent National States.   No country, no file, no resolutions.  In your all knowing, all seeing, how many resolutions have been filed against Arab COUNTRIES having Palestinian residents?

[woodchukhntr]

TM7,

How can Israel be the source of all problems in the middle east?  Don't the Muslims have a part in this?  You make it seem as if they are only protecting themselves form big, bad Israel.  The Muslim factions supplying the terrorists that attack Israel and everybody else that they disagree with are the most hateful people on earth.  The only reason that they are not attacking wherever you live is that there are still too few of them.  Perhaps you will see the truth when a mall where you or your family are in is attacked by a bomber who is making his statement for Allah.  Then you will see that YOU are an enemy of Islam.

As far as Palestine, they are being used by Islam as martyrs for the cause.  The Islamic countries ensure that they have an unending supply of arms, but don't give them food and medicine.  They want to have them starve so they can use Israel as a target for their anger and point to the manufactured plight of the Palestinians as justification.  And the world blindly goes on believing their garbage.

Hitler used the Jews as a scapegoat for Germany's problems in the 1930's and the world didn't care until he finally showed his true stripes and the world blazed with war.

[woodchukhntr]

TM7,

How can Israel be the source of all problems in the middle east?  Don't the Muslims have a part in this?  You make it seem as if they are only protecting themselves form big, bad Israel.  The Muslim factions supplying the terrorists that attack Israel and everybody else that they disagree with are the most hateful people on earth.  The only reason that they are not attacking wherever you live is that there are still too few of them.  Perhaps you will see the truth when a mall where you or your family are in is attacked by a bomber who is making his statement for Allah.  Then you will see that YOU are an enemy of Islam.

As far as Palestine, they are being used by Islam as martyrs for the cause.  The Islamic countries ensure that they have an unending supply of arms, but don't give them food and medicine.  They want to have them starve so they can use Israel as a target for their anger and point to the manufactured plight of the Palestinians as justification.  And the world blindly goes on believing their garbage.

Hitler used the Jews as a scapegoat for Germany's problems in the 1930's and the world didn't care until he finally showed his true stripes and the world blazed with war.

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1]   people having their homes and property confiscated will fight
2]   people threatened by 650 nuclear devices will want their own to balance power
3]   people that view expansionist zio Israel (with US support) as never ending will make a stand
4]   people that view the US as financing and abetting this colonial movement to capture ME oil resources will fight back
5]   people having members of their families and children maimed, murdered, tortured, locked up and straving will fight
6]   people that have been terrorized beyond their limits will become suicidal
7]   people that use religious dogma to support and justify their aggression are the most despised among God's creation
8]   people that do not take the time to weigh and analyze the current situation are the antipathy of God's mindfulness
9]   people that believe that mass media are truthful reporters are living in the dark, asleep
10] people that hate are fodder for wars and a Circle of Violence

Do your own research....look into the history of the situation, try to be impartial, decode the propaganda ..........religions are just a tool of force in the driving of this situation toward ww3.


...TM7

A point by point rebuttal is a waste of my time.  I even agree with your points 7 - 10, and partially even your final statement.  But sadly I feel that you may have hardened your heart against His people to the point that God has abandoned you.  I pray that this is not so

[Brett]

Ignoring radical Muslims is like ignoring a pack of rabid dogs.  You can ignore them all you want but you are still going to get bit sooner or later.

[billy_56081]

"Zionism" Now the Nazi's were an are very fond of that word? Kinda makes me wonder about your leanings and allegiances. Ron White was definitely right!

[woodchukhntr]

There ought to be a word limit here.  If you can't say it in, say 250 words, then you are being overbearing.  This isn't the place for doctoral dissertations.  If you have references, use links.  Nobody takes the time to read those lengthily posts in detail anyway.

[powderman]

There ought to be a word limit here.  If you can't say it in, say 250 words, then you are being overbearing.  This isn't the place for doctoral dissertations.  If you have references, use links.  Nobody takes the time to read those lengthily posts in detail anyway.

YEP. Lost me after a couple of paragraphs. I believe  I can condense it though. Lets see, it came from tm7 so I'm sure it said, Jews bad, Godless ones good, and it is all Bush's fault. That bout it?? POWDERMAN. 

[billy_56081]

Powderman you sure condensed our resident Nazi sympathizers words perfectly. Adolph Hitler would be proud of his anti semitcal and anti American views. Stop the hate TM7 it belies your apparent education levels. And just remember ignorance can be fixed but stupid is not fixable no matter how much education you have.

[powderman]

BILLY. Thanks. It comes from years of reading tms drivel and misinformation, pretty easy to condense it, cause it's always the same message. POWDERMAN.

[torpedoman]

this went downhill in a rush one guy speaking something we should pay attention to turned into a irrational tirade. the man is Right  we ignored these people for way too long this crap started way back with the Cruise ship attack in the 60's and just kept escalating like a brat trying to find someone to set limits they kept pushing on to bigger and bigger things, embassies ,marine barracks, u.s. ships, trade center #1 we kept putting up with it trade center #2 finally got our attention. As for the Saudis check out all their wonderful tourist attractions and tours, what you can't find any? You are not allowed to visit them, and if you go there to work you are required to surrender your passport until THEY say you can leave. i will leave you with one though, Never argue with an idiot they will drag you down to their level and beat you with experience

[Hammerspur]

Never argue with an idiot they will drag you down to their level and beat you with experience

Good words to live by. 
In such matters I often defer to musician Joe Walsh: 

http://www.artistdirect.com/nad/store/artist/album/0,,182453,00.html

[billy_56081]

Well TM you must be quoting your hero!

[powderman]

Well TM you must be quoting your hero!

YEP. You can bet tm knows his teachings well. They shared the same feelings about Jews. See what it got hitler?? POWDERMAN.