Author Topic: 357s (Read 1786 times)

panman · « **on:** March 19, 2008, 03:24:34 AM »

Does anyone know if Glock makes a plain ol every day 357?.
if not,what would your choice in another Semi-ato
Looking for a small light gun that is reliable ,and shoots well,just like a Glock..Thanks.

myronman3 · « **Reply #1 on:** March 19, 2008, 03:58:23 AM »

357 sig or 357 magnum?

6Shooter · « **Reply #2 on:** March 19, 2008, 09:16:52 AM »

Quote from: panman on March 19, 2008, 03:24:34 AM

Does anyone know if Glock makes a plain ol every day 357?.
if not,what would your choice in another Semi-ato
Looking for a small light gun that is reliable ,and shoots well,just like a Glock..Thanks.

If light and reliable is what you want I'd get a Glock. They're both of those things for not too much money.
I have the 357SIG G31 and love the calibre. I reload and can load it down to the velocity of a hot 9mm just for fun or load it to it's potential of 1400 to 1500 fps. for business purposes.

Graybeard · « **Reply #3 on:** March 19, 2008, 10:55:34 AM »

His stated purpose in another thread is as a hunting gun and the Glock is really not a hunting gun and thus not appropriate for his other thread stated uses.

myronman3 · « **Reply #4 on:** March 20, 2008, 03:17:51 AM »

in that case he should be looking at a 10mm. it beats the 357 sig AND the 357 magnum.

nilescoyote · « **Reply #5 on:** March 20, 2008, 07:32:19 PM »

Quote from: myronman3 on March 20, 2008, 03:17:51 AM

in that case he should be looking at a 10mm. it beats the 357 sig AND the 357 magnum.

+1 on the 10mm if he has to have a auto loader...

panman · « **Reply #6 on:** March 21, 2008, 02:23:52 AM »

I was talking about a 357MAG!!.
1.Who says a Glock isn't a hunting weapon?.It gos bang,and before the 44 the 45colt and the 357 was king,IF i remember correctly.What happened?,did the 357 all of a sudden become a water pistol?.remember.
2.I asked if they made a 357 mag,i pistol say what the purpose was.
3,cc would be the primary use of the gun,but if i want to go and shoot something while hunting or fishing,or hiking,whats the primary?.
For strictly hunting,i have a strictly BH,in 41 MAG.
I have a lot of brass for a 357,that i had and like a dummmm a#%$s,sold it.Im also looking for,or some information on the 40MM,as stated for the 357MAG.Loaded with Noslers,the 357 has killed 4 deer for me.pan.

panman · « **Reply #7 on:** March 21, 2008, 02:28:47 AM »

Sorry for the typos on above message.My dog was wanting to play lol.hope you can make sense of it.pan.

Graybeard · « **Reply #8 on:** March 21, 2008, 02:51:14 AM »

Forty millimeters 40mm is just a bit shy of 2" but is I believe at least 1.75" that's a pretty large bore for a handgun.

Now what I think you might have meant was a 10mm aka .40 caliber as in the rounds 10mm or .40 S&W. For carry that's a nice bore size and I have several of the .40 S&W chambered handguns myself and for CC I do consider it nearly ideal. The longer and more powerful 10mm is a bit powerful for CC but does serve passably well for hunting but as a rule a semiauto is not the best choice for a hunting handgun which is why I said the Glock really is not a hunting handgun.

The .357 Sig is not the same as the .357 Magnum tho it is basically the ballistic equivalent it uses a totally different case so your stock of .357 Mag brass couldn't be used.

For concealed carry for self defense the parameters you look for are really not the same as for a hunting handgun and you really shouldn't be trying to mix the two. Sure you can to some extent use the same for both but when you do the gun you have is ideal for neither. Still a 4" .357 Magnum could do double duty for both fairly well if you limit your hunting distances and become a proficient shot with it. You'd be better served tho with a semiauto like the Glock in .40 S&W as your carry gun and a revolver perhaps a 6" .357 Magnum for your hunting gun.

nilescoyote · « **Reply #9 on:** March 21, 2008, 08:03:38 PM »

nilescoyote · « **Reply #10 on:** March 21, 2008, 08:09:16 PM »

Sorry, we have to give you some grief. As you are in the glock section asking about a cartridge that glocks have never been chambered for....

But if you do decided to go the 40mm route, that should take care of anything walking on 2 feet or 4... I just would not advise you to hunt with it, as it would be quite destructive on meat damage.... if you could even find any after the H E charge went off....

sorry, I couldn't resist....

panman · « **Reply #11 on:** March 22, 2008, 01:08:33 AM »

Thanks for clearing that up.
Yes that was my original question,does the Glock make a 357 mag?.I see now they don't.Thank you.I was looking at a few Glocks yesterday,in the SW40?.The two that i looked at were the compact and the sub.The compact seemed a little small,as my little finger was not comfortable.The sub seemed ideal.For cc,i don't think the sub would be to hard to keep hidden,as its not much bigger.Im a big guy 6ft,and 250lbs.[read a lot of gut.lol].Im disabled,and older than dirt.67.That's one of the reasons im looking for a light gun that will do the job.My daughter will also carry it when she jogs.I live in the mountains of VT.the critters are many,two and fore legged.pan.

Graybeard · « **Reply #12 on:** March 22, 2008, 01:49:34 AM »

One thing Glocks really are not is light weight but then weight is relative and even tho there are many much lighter semiautos there are heavier as well. I have the subcompact M27 with night sights and the full size M22 both.

Mohawk · « **Reply #13 on:** March 23, 2008, 10:47:17 AM »

Panman, if you are looking for a Glock with .357 Mag performance then listen to GB. Ballistics are similar but they are different animals. A .357 Sig is a .40 S&W case bottle-necked to .357. A .357 Magnum is an entirely different animal. If you have a supply of brass for the .357 mag, if it were me, I would reload as you wish and maybe contimplate aquiring a decent revolver.

navylawdog · « **Reply #14 on:** March 23, 2008, 11:53:04 AM »

Quote from: Mohawk on March 23, 2008, 10:47:17 AM

Panman, if you are looking for a Glock with .357 Mag performance then listen to GB. Ballistics are similar but they are different animals. A .357 Sig is a .40 S&W case bottle-necked to .357. A .357 Magnum is an entirely different animal. If you have a supply of brass for the .357 mag, if it were me, I would reload as you wish and maybe contimplate aquiring a decent revolver.

Unless I am mistaken, and I very well could be, isn't the .357 sig actually a .355 or a 9mm? I thought I had read that somewhere before that it was actually a 9mm they just gave it the .357 moniker because of the number of 9mm out there and the common idea that a 9mm is just not powerful enough to stop someone. Where as you hear .357 and you think power so it would sell better. I know back when I had my .357 sig and reloaded for it I used .355 sized bullets in it. I know the difference really is nil but I just don't want anyone to do something that might be hazardous. So please correct me if I am wrong about this.

http://www.reloadammo.com/357sig.htm

Navylawdog

Mohawk · « **Reply #15 on:** March 23, 2008, 12:06:40 PM »

You are right Navylawdog. I haven't researched that one in a while............. thanks

navylawdog · « **Reply #16 on:** March 24, 2008, 11:22:58 AM »

No problem Mohawk. I just wanted to make sure I wasn't mistaken because it has been a long while since I have gotten the chance to reload.

Navylawdog

Dee · « **Reply #17 on:** March 24, 2008, 11:41:26 AM »

Quote from: navylawdog on March 23, 2008, 11:53:04 AM

Quote from: Mohawk on March 23, 2008, 10:47:17 AM
Panman, if you are looking for a Glock with .357 Mag performance then listen to GB. Ballistics are similar but they are different animals. A .357 Sig is a .40 S&W case bottle-necked to .357. A .357 Magnum is an entirely different animal. If you have a supply of brass for the .357 mag, if it were me, I would reload as you wish and maybe contimplate aquiring a decent revolver.

Unless I am mistaken, and I very well could be, isn't the .357 sig actually a .355 or a 9mm? I thought I had read that somewhere before that it was actually a 9mm they just gave it the .357 moniker because of the number of 9mm out there and the common idea that a 9mm is just not powerful enough to stop someone. Where as you hear .357 and you think power so it would sell better. I know back when I had my .357 sig and reloaded for it I used .355 sized bullets in it. I know the difference really is nil but I just don't want anyone to do something that might be hazardous. So please correct me if I am wrong about this.

http://www.reloadammo.com/357sig.htm

Navylawdog

You are not incorrect. The 357sig is nothing more than a souped up 9mm. That it has the same performance levels as the REAL 357 magnum is yet to be proven, and unlike the 357 magnum, the 357sig because of bullet configuration and nose surface is more reliant on the hollow point actually functioning properly which does not always happen. The 357sig name was INTENTIONALLY deceptive on the part of the manufacturer in order to give the IMPLIED impression that it would perfrom with the 357 magnum, which it will not in mine and many others opinion due to above mentioned bullet configuration reasons.

navylawdog · « **Reply #18 on:** March 24, 2008, 12:56:56 PM »

Thank you Dee. I have to agree with your thinking on the performance of the .357sig. I don't really know that my sig ever competed with my .357mag. It was a great gun none-the-less but the accuracy wasn't the greatest no matter what bullets I used and the report was deafening. Not to mention the recoil which was a sharp recoil as opposed to a steady kick back. Also the muzzle flash was just amazing to say the least.

Navylawdog

Mohawk · « **Reply #19 on:** March 24, 2008, 05:22:34 PM »

All I know is that it is the issue cartridge for the Texas Highway Patrol and it does fine.

navylawdog · « **Reply #20 on:** March 25, 2008, 11:15:41 AM »

Quote from: Mohawk on March 24, 2008, 05:22:34 PM

All I know is that it is the issue cartridge for the Texas Highway Patrol and it does fine.

As a law enforcement round it is excellent. It will without a doubt go through a car door and maybe even out the other side of the car depending on the distance shot. It would definitely not be high on my list of "please shoot me calibers" but the recoil and the muzzle flash could prove a problem. If you hit what you are aiming at though on the first shot then the rest is really a moot point.

Navylawdog