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Rev Wright is unpatriotic. The new one is Blasphemous
« on: March 23, 2008, 08:04:17 AM »
In Easter Sermon, New Obama Pastor Charges Rev. Wright Victim of ‘Lynching’

http://elections.foxnews.com/2008/03/23/in-eastor-sermon-trinity-united-pastor-compares-rev-wright-to-jesus/#comment-241413

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The new pastor at Barack Obama’s church used his first Easter sermon on Sunday to compare controversial Rev. Jeremiah Wright Jr. to Jesus’ death at the hands of the Romans

Kind of pretentious comparing Rev Wright to Jesus, don't you think. 

Wonder if Obama wasn't there for this one too?

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Re: Rev Wright is unpatriotic. The new one is Blasphemous
« Reply #1 on: March 23, 2008, 08:41:31 AM »
I would have been surprised if they had said anything any different. The entire congregation AGREES WITH WRIGHT. IF they hadn't, either he, or they would have left the church. That goes for Obama and family.
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« Reply #2 on: March 23, 2008, 01:38:08 PM »
  I saw some clips of today's sermon at the TUCC . What a mess ! They still cannot bring themselves to admit that the old hate monger did anything out of line !
  They are like "hate addicts"..addicted to wallow in their self-=inflicted misery.
   Like any other addict, a cure cannot be effected until they first admit to themselves that they have a problem..so I assume their hate, and venom-spewing will continue.

    A refreshing change is Rev Jesse Peterson... his website...       www.bondinfo.org/home.php      This man is treated like a pariah by the "poverty pimps" like Jackson and Sharpton, but he makes a great deal of sense. He doesn't slither around in self pity over wrongs committed 150 years ago. He says that the only way to full realization of
 their goals is to " get over it" and quit listening to the Jackson's and Sharptons of the world, who don't help them..but rather USE them !
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« Reply #3 on: March 23, 2008, 03:03:19 PM »
ironglow, they aren't going to ADMIT ANYTHING. They love the stuff Wright put out. They agree with him. Obama agreed with him. He just got caught, and at least has the courage NOT TO BACK DOWN on what he believes. I don't think they are capable of getting over it, because they WILL ALWAYS WANT to play the victim. Notice when they get equality,  they want MORE, and they start taking advantage of it, and getting OVERBEARING?
This type of racial conflict is as old as time, and will never go away. The United States is the biggest EXPERIMENT of mixing in modern history, and it, if one pays attention, shows at times the failure of some aspects of this experiment. JMO
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« Reply #4 on: March 23, 2008, 03:19:54 PM »
Well it is no different, than alot of these so called "Christian churches" today. Many churches that claim to be Christian today support queers and abortion. They are not teaching the bible they are using the popular topics of the time to swell their enrollments and fleece these fools of their money. And they are doing it tax free.
99% of all Lawyers give the other 1% a bad name. What I find hilarious about this is they are such an arrogant bunch, that they all think they are in the 1%.

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« Reply #5 on: March 23, 2008, 03:59:38 PM »
  Billy;
  Having heard some of the rant of both Wright and his replacement..I kept wondering when they were going to get to some real BIBLE preaching..now I wonder if it ever happens in those "churches".

   Dee;
  It certainly appears that they are enjoying their bitterness. We have perhaps known someone who held a grudge and was livid at someone who "did them wrong" twenty five years ago. They wasted the last 25 years being furious, while the man they were furious with went about his business; perhaps building a successful business..and didn't even know (or care) if the guy was angry with him. So the fellow with all the canned up anger just burned himself out  from the inside, and never amounted to anything.
 
   I can easily see just such a situation here. These people are "eaten up" with anger. They are angry because someone was a slave owner a couple hundred years ago...wasn't you..wasn't me; no slave owners alive any more.
   They are livid because someone was held as a slave a couple hundred years ago..I never owned any..you never owned any..who are they angry at ? If for some reason
  they are angry at me, I don't know why nor care why..since I (nor they) were never a slave or slave owner. that was aty least 150 years ago..time to "get over it."

   Another thought:
   Obama has a white mother and a black father, he also said recently that his wife is descended from a slave and a slave owner..Does that mean that both of them hate half their ancestors and pity the other half ?
   I can well imagine if a person grows up hating half his forbearers and pitying the other half..such copud result in s very confused personality.
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« Reply #6 on: March 24, 2008, 02:43:25 AM »
It seems that many of the black folks want equality, and when they get it, AND "the responsibility that goes with it", they want more. Want a good job? Ok, here it is, so now you have to get up in the morning and come to work EVERY DAY. Now that just sucks.
I went thru the 60s with the marches and such. Didn't participate, but didn't disagree either.
The stature on our court house lawn is not of Abraham Lincoln, but is a confederate soldier instead. HOWEVER, I noticed as a kid the separate drinking fountains and bathrooms in the court house. The dining areas in the cafes in the back by the kitchen, and I, even at that age KNEW IT WAS WRONG.
BUT! I did not install those bathrooms, drinking fountains, and separate dining areas, but I DID SUPPORT doing away with them. Now their gone, and affirmative action has caused me PERSONALLY not to get a job, and I am tired of the B#%$hing by the ones getting those jobs. Enough never seems to be enough.
Obama has chosen the BLACK SIDE, because it gets him more mileage. He is half white, but has chosen the other. Ok, so now I once again understand the rules as he has explained them. Mine have have not changed, and won't.
When I go to New Orleans (several times a week) you cannot walk away from a group of guys you are talking to, and say: See you boys later. You will start a fight! I have been saying that to my friends for over 50 years here in Texas, and they to me. Not in New Orleans.
When you greet a group of women in New Orleans, you can't say: Good mornin girls. You have to say: Good morning LADIES! If you don't you get straightened out, and not politely either.
I for one am sick of the selecting of ENGLISH WORDS one can use in order not to offend those so SENSITIVE when no harm is OBVIOUSLY NOT INTENDED. ::)
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« Reply #7 on: March 24, 2008, 03:45:29 AM »
Careful of your double negatives, Dee--unless that's what you intended.
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« Reply #8 on: March 24, 2008, 04:14:47 AM »
 The newly installed preacher at the TUCC started right off complaining about how the world was "lynching" Rev. Wright, the word lynching of course is a surefire way of provoking a reaction from his audience; whether the term is justified or not. He even presumptuously compared Rev. Wright's fall to the crucifixion of our Lord...a cheap, manipulative way for a preacher to elicit a visceral response from a crowd that already harbors a "victim" mentality.
 
  Yes Dee; I find it indeed curious that the "Politically Correct" crowd is so quick to scream when they believe someone is using derogatory terms referring to various groups the PC crowd have adopted. We ALL must be sensitive..and indeed we should. ..But the very people that insist we be sensitive toward all these groups, certainly have no compunction about being positively INsensitive when it comes to Christians.
  Thje Hollywood hypocrites are some of the most demanding of the PC crowd when it comes to being "sensitive"..but that same Hollywood crowd are making movies that regularly denigrate and condemn Christianity. They know full well that we do not like to hear our Lord's name used in vain..yet that is a regular part of their "artistry".
   I presume they figure that crudeness can cover a serious lack of talent..In any case, where is the sensitivity toward Christians ?
        ...And where does the PC gang get off with calling southern, white, rural dwelling people as "rednecks" ?  They make jokes about them, question their ancestry
  and generally mistreat them. ...Where is the sensitivity there?
           I just assume we cannot expect fairness from a bunch of hypocrites.
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Re: Rev Wright is unpatriotic. The new one is Blasphemous
« Reply #9 on: March 24, 2008, 04:41:52 AM »
They know full well that we do not like to hear our Lord's name used in vain..yet that is a regular part of their "artistry".

Problem is, a Christian's tendacy towards compassion and forgiveness make an easy target from unsoulful people who need to make fun of God in order to justify their meaningless existence.  Think of the power they now have that they are able to scoff at God's commandments without retaliation (notwithstanding judgement day, of course). 

I suppose they could start using Allah's name in vain, but would have to contend with the death threats.

I see the Rev' Wrights former congregation no differently than the Hollywood types.  In this case, not only are they foresaking the religion they claim, they have foresaken the meaning of Easter itself to propogate an (personal) agenda.

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« Reply #10 on: March 24, 2008, 06:09:54 AM »
I still believe that as long as their are some people in this country that can not or will
not become 100% American, their will be no coming together as oboma and his followers
claim he can do. most everyone in America is descended from some other country, the
problem is the AFRICAN/AMERICANS are the only ones that can not become just plain
ole every day AMERICANS. They need to take a long hard look at their place of origin
and see how much better they have it, than people that are still there do. Look around
AFRICA and see how many are starving, where is affirmative action, where is are the jobs
It looks like they would would want to be AMERICANS first, who has done them more
good Americans or some of the African leaders.
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« Reply #11 on: March 24, 2008, 07:07:09 AM »
I still believe that as long as their are some people in this country that can not or will
not become 100% American, their will be no coming together as oboma and his followers
claim he can do. most everyone in America is descended from some other country, the
problem is the AFRICAN/AMERICANS are the only ones that can not become just plain
ole every day AMERICANS. They need to take a long hard look at their place of origin
and see how much better they have it, than people that are still there do. Look around
AFRICA and see how many are starving, where is affirmative action, where is are the jobs
It looks like they would would want to be AMERICANS first, who has done them more
good Americans or some of the African leaders.

That's it in a nutshell!
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« Reply #12 on: March 24, 2008, 05:13:40 PM »
http://www.vaildaily.com/article/20080320/EDITS/118528461
Zalaznick: Why’s the black guy always ‘radical?’
Matt Zalaznick
Vail Daily
March 20, 2008
 
 
White America and its news anchors are still afraid of black men. Especially angry ones who criticize the homeland.

I see bigotry, racism, xenophobia, antipathy and distrust in the hysterical reactions to the speeches of Barack Obama’s fiery pastor, Jeremiah Wright, and the guilt-by-association some hope will torpedo the Democratic frontrunner’s presidential aspirations.

Perhaps I’m paranoid, but I detect a slight trace of glee in the full-frontal assault on Obama’s connection to Wright by the likes of Sean Hannity, Bill O’Reilly and other less-demented pundits’

They seem to almost be breathing a sigh of relief that, if the inflammatory pastor finally sinks his unflappable follower, the threat of a black president will have passed, and we can all move on to being worried about a female commander in chief.

While Jeremiah Wright strikes fear into the hearts of America (and its 24-hour news channels) when he suggests U.S. policy may have triggered the rage behind Sept. 11, white “men of god” and white politicians can bash gays without making a single headline.

And if they do make headlines, their “holiness” — or their skin color — seems to excuse their hate speech. Sometimes, the media and others turn the harmless white bigot into a victim when he or she is blasted and scorned for intolerance.

Former Pennsylvania senator Rick Santorum used to call gays one of the biggest threats to America. Former presidential candidate and Colorado congressman Tom Tancredo has called other cultures a major threat to America.

But W. has never been vilified quite like Obama has for his ties to these cultural cavemen, or for his ties to leaders to the religious right who spew even worse hate speech — all while visiting Denver prostitutes.

But a black preacher’s sometimes over-the-top anger at a nation that has, during its history, treated his people beyond dreadfully is portrayed as something dangerous, even seditious.

A key part of Obama’s riveting speech on race Tuesday was when he talked about the anger and bitterness still felt by blacks of his pastor’s generation. Wright still distrusts white America, and the progress made on civil rights hasn’t allayed his fears that there could still be backlash against blacks by the ethic majority.

If blacks could be enslaved in the 19th Century and lynched and oppressed well into the 20th, what’s to say it couldn’t happen again? It may seem unlikely, but that must be the fear that drives some of Wright’s anger.

As a Jew, I can’t compare my easy American experience to that of American blacks, but I can understand how an older generations’ memories of a harsh past can breed fears of future persecution.

Many Jews of my grandparents’ and parents generations’ — some of whom may never have experienced direct anti-Semitism unless they tried to join the local country club — have a lingering fear that, if our people could have been slaughtered and discriminated against for hundreds of years, Jews also could once again become the target of a tyrannical government, even here in the Land of the Free.

In fact, many Jews I know said the most uncomfortable they’ve ever been in their lives about their religion has been during George W. Bush’s presidency.

A few white Christian males have even adopted a sort-of “reverse victimhood.” They have dominated the nation for so much of its history that when their primacy begins to teeter a bit, they try to play the role of the persecuted when the true victims of the past — such as Jeremiah Wright and his congregation — express their anger and remind the majority of its crimes.

The most offensive aspect of the recent attacks on Obama and his pastor is the ownership the white majority takes of the United States when they brand people like Jeremiah Wright traitors because they’ve said very unpleasant things about the way we, as a nation, have behaved.

But the great thing about the United States is that — unlike some nations where we are fighting wars (Iraq) or propping up shady regimes (Saudi Arabia) to ensure our oil supply — the country does not belong to any single ethnicity, gender or religion.

To suggest otherwise — and to levy even greater scorn on a member of a minority for criticizing Uncle Sam — is to show a true lack of patriotism.

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« Reply #13 on: March 25, 2008, 02:05:02 AM »
nice counterpoint.  However,  I like the people that indicate that it is someone's right to scorn the government, but its not OK for someone to scorn someone who scorns the government....

Seems like the author decided to stop the circular argument where it suited his view.


Although people may argue, this isn't about race to a lot of people.  This is about race to Rev. Wright

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To suggest otherwise — and to levy even greater scorn on a member of a minority for criticizing Uncle Sam — is to show a true lack of patriotism.

lets change a few words here.

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To suggest otherwise — and to levy even greater scorn on a member of a majority for criticizing racists and hate mongers— is to show true lack of patriotism

For that matter, we are living in a time where affirmative action and other gratuities to minorities have kept equal treatment out of the hands of the supposed majority.  Who's to say that kids and young adults raised in this environment won't feel future fears of having fairness taken from them.  Will they, or are they now, granted the same latitude as this guy wants to give Rev. Wright.  NOPE.

I don't think anyone really considers Rev Wright's rants anymore than a rant, but it is obvious his view is tainted by this "memories of a harsh past (that) can breed fears of future persecution".  Now, does the Senator have these same taints?  Perhaps.  But it is odd that the spiritual guide for Obama doesn't preach and expound the same goal for change and togetherness that Obama does (publically)

THAT is the major political problem here.

But, what bothers me the most is that even in the light of Rev Wrights ethnic and political statements -said in a place of worship that is supposed to represent my God, they choose to contamininate the Good News of Easter with more talk of hate.

Easter.  Jesus rose from the dead.  If there was anytime that they should have been expounding on the great Hope, rather than continuing to clamour about the self-fulfilling prophecy that is racism and bigotry, this was it.

This was THE Lord's Day.  Save the BS for Monday morning.

Apparently their view of Jesus is different than the one that promotes Peace and Love...... 

I could care less about Rev Wright's opinion, the new reverand's opinion, or Obama's, if he buys into this crap.  And that of the the author of this counterpoint.  What I care about is the continued use of the Church to promote someones ill conceived agenda of hate.

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« Reply #14 on: March 25, 2008, 02:54:16 AM »
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But a black preacher’s sometimes over-the-top anger at a nation that has, during its history, treated his people beyond dreadfully is portrayed as something dangerous, even seditious.

My obligatory white majority comment to this is that he does have an option. 

Passports are easy to get, provided the country he's going to doesn't consider him an extremist. 

Good luck with that, Rev. Wright.

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« Reply #15 on: March 25, 2008, 03:18:35 AM »
Some people miss the point entirely if they think that conservatives are against Osama Obama because he is black, or more correctly--half black.  Conservatives hate the idea of the possibility of an Obama, or a Hitlary as President for one reason--they are liberals and not just ordinary liberals, but Marxist, socialist liberals.

I consider myself to be an ultra-conservative and I would welcome a black, or female President, or any other color, or gender as long as they believe in the Constitution, small government, strong defense, low taxes...and I believe Sean Hannity, Bill O'reilly, Rush Limbaugh and the rest would likewise.
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« Reply #16 on: March 25, 2008, 05:05:52 AM »
Although I consider myself also, as an ultra-conservative, I have not developed strong enough nerves to listen to Bill O'Rielly, Rush Limbaugh, and definitely Sean Handy, in anything but small doses. Like the length of time it takes to change the channel.
Hannity and O'Rielly went after Paul with a vengeance, and he is about as conservative as you can get, BUT! He wasn't the candidate these two clowns wanted in there.
These three are as manipulative as any of the liberals in trying to propagandize the candidates of THEIR CHOICE. ::)
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« Reply #17 on: March 25, 2008, 07:15:14 AM »
  Crusty;
  A few points..race has nothing to do with the disgust for Rev Wright's rampages. More likely it is disgust with a "pastor" cursing from the pulpit..and cursing a land we love !
   Rev Wright calls "the white church", the Anti-Christ. He betrays his bigotry by labeling various local churches by race; e.g. "white church", "black church" etc..so I ask..Who is the racist ? His pronouncing judgement is a bit presumptuous, to say the least !

   Tom Tancredo did not say  that other cultures are a danger to the US..not so, many of us can travel to Germany and enjoy the German culture. The same goes with England, France, Argentina, Italy etc.. If you look a bit closer, you will find that Tancredo was talking about ILLEGAL aliens SNEAKING into our country and refusing to appreciate OUR culture by refusing to assimilate !..A far different scene...

    You whine on and on about slavery and anti-semitism . While either of those are terrible, those are not the only two types who suffered discrimination as minorities.
   In their turn, Irish, Germans (during WW! & WW2), Italians, Poles, Swedes and others felt the sting of discrimination in their turn. Japanese were even put into containment camps by a Democrat president !
   When Wright says " G-- D--- America", it angers me greatly...because in my direct family line my people have served in every war since King Philip's War; some were wounded and some died. That goes right down the line, through me, my brothers, uncles, cousins etc..to my grandson, a Marine who just completed his second deployment to Iraq .
  In my home church we regularly sing " God Bless America"..I pity the TUCC and it's bitter spirit. If that ugly phrase were used in my church, it would no longer be my church..but then, I am a LOYAL AMERICAN !!! My loyalty is top the US of A; not to Africa or some other place !
  I have Scottish, Irish, German and a touch of American Indian in my heritage, and although each of these have been discriminated against in their time, to be bitter and filled with hatred isn't part of my makeup ! I either make it or fail ...on my own merits.
   
    I care not about Wright's grudges...all the above noted groups COULD be bitter, but they CHOSE to "get over it" and be productive citizens....

  You talked about a Christian pastor that had ties with a Denver prostitute. Is this proven ? If so, does he still hold his position ? Is he running for president ?
  If all three answers are yes, then you have a valid comparison to Obama's dilemma.

   You seem to have a real fixation on the "gay" problem. You claim to be a Jew, so you must know why Sodom was destroyed. You may wish to read  Leviticus 20:13.
    and Deuteronomy 23:17,18 .   For Christians, a reference to Romans 1:27,28 should be sufficient, although there are other references in both Old and New Testaments.
         Is the "gay" thing why you accuse pastors of speaking hate ? Better get your context straight.. Christians freely admit that we all sin..and we are always reminding each other
  to "hate the sin, but love the sinner".
   Crusty; I hate my own sins..but I am quick to recognize sin for what it is, ask God's forgiveness and do my best to forsake that sin forever.  Condemning a sin is not to be confused with
  hating the person. All kinds of sins are condemned from the pulpits of America..stealing, murder, rape, fraud, racism, greed, bearing false witness, HATE itself and many others.
   Most people, when confronted with their particular sin, are a bit chagrined..then if they are smart will wean themselves away from their own, pet sin. No hate involved, just a simple
  exposition of the Scriptures. I love any sinner enough to try to lead them to an eternity in Glory.,.rather than elsewhere..

      You bemoaned the possibility of a "backlash"...A word to the wise..If one does not "lash out"..there is little likelihood of a " back-lash".
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