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Return of the Savage 99
« on: March 24, 2008, 01:52:56 PM »
    I saw a letter from Savage Arms to a man on another web site.  It stated that Savage was going to re-introduce the 99 soon.  I wounder what chamberings it will have?

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Re: Return of the Savage 99
« Reply #1 on: March 24, 2008, 01:59:36 PM »
I wonder what it is going to cost?
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Re: Return of the Savage 99
« Reply #2 on: March 24, 2008, 02:19:42 PM »
I wonder what it is going to cost?
I hope it costs enough that it will be of decent quality, but not above my means!

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Re: Return of the Savage 99
« Reply #3 on: March 24, 2008, 03:00:35 PM »
You and me both.  Seems the ones I find at the gun shows that I can afford are worn out, or damaged.
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Re: Return of the Savage 99
« Reply #4 on: March 25, 2008, 07:01:04 AM »
    My assumption is they will use investment casting to keep the cost down and try to price it between the Marlin and BLR.  I hope they choose the "C" Model with a detachable clip.  Some of the short mags or a 35 Whelen would be nice.

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Re: Return of the Savage 99
« Reply #5 on: March 25, 2008, 07:51:29 AM »
It will take more than that to keep costs in the range you are talking about.  The old ones were hand fitted and finished.  The new ones will need to be assembled from well machined parts kept to tight tolerances so the fitting will be minimal.  And I don't expect the finish level on any mass produced gun to match was was done years ago.
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Re: Return of the Savage 99
« Reply #6 on: March 25, 2008, 08:39:06 AM »
SS with a laminated stock in 308 ,
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Re: Return of the Savage 99
« Reply #7 on: March 25, 2008, 12:44:17 PM »
SS with a laminated stock in 308 ,

Ew, don't make me barf.  A laminated stock on such a fine weapon would be blasphemy.

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Re: Return of the Savage 99
« Reply #8 on: March 25, 2008, 01:21:17 PM »
SS with a laminated stock in 308 ,

Ew, don't make me barf.  A laminated stock on such a fine weapon would be blasphemy.
I am a big Browning fan but the stainless / laminated BLR looks like they put a bunch of left over parts together... barrel is stainless but does not match the aluminum receiver and then they use a blued magazine.... kind of like Colt did with the last of the Delta Elites mixing blue and stainless Yuk!

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Re: Return of the Savage 99
« Reply #9 on: March 25, 2008, 01:54:36 PM »
[I hope they choose the "C" Model with a detachable clip.]

A difference of opinion makes a horse race.

I think the Model 99 started to fail to sell when Savage introduced the 99C detachable mag, and the discontinuation of the rotary mag models due to rotary production costs rang it's death knell.

I'm hoping for the rotary mag, probably in vain though - since the clipper is a cheap way out, and bean counters rule, lately.
Plus, the bean counters are probably figuring that most of us older M99 enthusiasts have reached the point of no return (or fixed income), leaving only younger potential buyers accustomed to & liking clips.
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Re: Return of the Savage 99
« Reply #10 on: March 25, 2008, 03:48:58 PM »
    I bought a 99 F in 308 for $300 a few years ago.  It's now topped with a 2x7 VX-II Leupold.  It is accurate to 400yrds , reliable, lite and fast handling.  It's my go to gun.  I chose to keep it over a BLR in 7-08 because of it's pistol grip and availableity of 308 ammo, though I hand load.  I would just rather drop a clip and empty the chamber more efficently.  Heck if they made it a 99 CF in 300wsm or 270 ?sm with a synthetic stock and matt finish.... what couldn't you hunt ::)

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Re: Return of the Savage 99
« Reply #11 on: March 26, 2008, 01:24:28 AM »
Some of us are more than fair weather hunters ! while some stay by the stove others live !
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Re: Return of the Savage 99
« Reply #12 on: March 26, 2008, 01:34:14 AM »
Some of us are more than fair weather hunters ! while some stay by the stove others live !

I see your point but I would rather carry a rifle with "character" ie battle scars than one that started out ugly. I have an old Rem 31 with lots of use, it looks way better than a new looking gun with a safe ding.

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Re: Return of the Savage 99
« Reply #13 on: March 26, 2008, 01:45:49 AM »
I really don't think there is a place for it in today's market place. Oh sure many wax eloquent about what a classic the Model 99 is and how they love them but really how many of the folks doing that really own one? How many of them are really potential buyers for a new one if it comes back? Not many in either case I suspect. Many of us seem to like "the idea" of such older guns of yesterday but not that many are really willing to part with the green needed to make such a commercial success.

I think if Savage decides to make a return of it they should take a note from Winchester/Browning and figure out how many it would take to be profitable and make a limited run of that number and hope for the best. I feel it would need to be made like the originals with the rotary magazine and in a chambering like the .300 Savage or .250-3000 to appeal to nostalgia buffs if they hope to sell them.

I've toyed with the idea of one over the years with the .300 Savage really the only chambering I'd even consider but really to me it's just not what I think of when I think of a lever gun. It's just too heavy and bulky to have the appeal to me personally. When I think lever action the old Winchesters or the Marlin come to mind and I really can't seem to get passed that idea to think of rifles like the Savage 99, Winchester 88 or the newer Browning BLR.

I admit that if it came back even with the rotary mag and in .300 Savage I think there is just about a snowball's chance in hell I'd actually part with the money to buy one. Just like I've passed on all the originals I've run across at gun shows and gun stores I'm sure I'd again pass on it.

So would the vast majority of those of you wishing it would return. Just like the Ithaca M39 that has tried several times to make a return there just isn't a place for it in today's market. They are an interesting bit of nostalgia and have a loyal but small following but most of those already have all of them they are likely to buy.


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Re: Return of the Savage 99
« Reply #14 on: March 26, 2008, 01:56:42 AM »
I concede you have a valid point also ! In fact i love and prefer walnut and blued steel but in the same thought hate to destroy such fine guns on bad weather days . I have a pre -special purpose REM. 870  that has a gray/green finish and wood that looks like the finish from a power pole . I have hunted every thing in every kind of weather with it . It has accompanied me to the bottom of beaver ponds on more occasions than i care to admit , it has been covered in ice so thick i had to hit it to be able to work the action . I can't even imagine what a top grade finished 870 would look like with that treatment after the 25 years of abuse that gun has taken . Why do that to a gun with the materials we have today ?
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Re: Return of the Savage 99
« Reply #15 on: March 26, 2008, 03:06:56 AM »
 As an owner of several (pre-mil)  Sav 99`s  I have no interest in a "new" 99 assuming that ever came to fruition.
   GB is correct in saying they have a special nitch for a select group of owners. Ones who respect the old 99
   and it`s classic standing. Owners of such know what I mean. As hard as it is to find a decent old  99 now a days and what you have to pay for one after you find it, there must be something to it.   The pre-mil ones
  anyway.
   Having an original is where it`s at.  If and when they ever come out with a new 99 it would be like trying to pass a Zircon off as a diamond.  JMO.   
 
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Re: Return of the Savage 99
« Reply #16 on: March 26, 2008, 04:54:02 PM »
   You two are enough to make a gun nut cry :'(  I've often thought about (ok fantasized about) getting a 99 action and re-barreling it to 6.5x55 or 260 Rem.  My Savage 99 F isn't heavy or bulky and shoots very well, sub moa with 168 gr bullets at 2900fps.  I like it better than the Browning that had a saddle stock.  And don't even talk about the 94 or 336 in the same breath because of their tubular magazine.  The only lever gun on the market that will compare to the 99 is the BLR.  I believe that's the reason Savage is bringing it back.
    The Win 88 was meant to supplant the 94.  It didn't and from what I've read it had accuracy problems.

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Re: Return of the Savage 99
« Reply #17 on: March 28, 2008, 08:06:20 PM »
SS with a laminated stock in 308 ,

I once owned a Savage 99 in .308 and it had the brass cartridge counter in the receiver. Wish I still had it.
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Re: Return of the Savage 99
« Reply #18 on: April 03, 2008, 03:02:03 AM »
"The Win 88 was meant to supplant the 94.  It didn't and from what I've read it had accuracy problems."

Slight difference of opinion here.  The Win. 88 was direct competition for the Savage 99.  The .308 Winchester cartridge which this gun debuted was the civilian 7.62mm Nato cartridge.  That was derived from the .300 Savage which was one of the cartridges the 99 was chambered for.  There was no plan to replace the 94 with the 88.

Every person I have spoken to who has an 88 raved about the accuracy, and cursed the spongy trigger pull.  Mine will shoot MOA five shot groups from the bench all day long, isn't fussy as to ammunition, as long as I do my part.  The pitfall of the rifle is the intricacy of the action, and that nothing can be done about the trigger short of polishing everything.  I had mine refinished in '93 with Black-T.  The Teflon helped the trigger a good bit but it still isn't anything to write home about.

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Re: Return of the Savage 99
« Reply #19 on: April 03, 2008, 01:41:40 PM »
WinterHawk, I agree and especially if the stock is glass bedded to hold the receiver block tight into the butt stock and maintain forearm tension correctly.  Trigger could have been better on mine.
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Re: Return of the Savage 99
« Reply #20 on: April 04, 2008, 02:19:40 AM »
It sounds like we have the classic "collectors vs. users" argument going here.  When I think of my battery, the user guns are mostly a rather homely lot.  The two collector pieces I have both had been fired before I got them and I have used them a very little, and then not in the field.  The wife of a friend had me help her find him a hunting rifle to replace the upper grade Browning he had been using.  He would carry the Browning into the woods in a case and then fret the rest of the day that he might get a scratch on it.  I happened on a Remington 78 that had been sent back to the factory and was being sold very cheaply at a Kmart in the area.  That  gun became his go-to rifle and he was much happier with it than he had been with the Browning.

One of my collector pieces is a Model 94 Crazy Horse commemorative.  It is in .38-55, an old and revered caliber that has a lot of potential when cranked up.  It was put together by the factory, but not tuned, as they probably figured it would disappear into a gun safe and never even have the action worked, much less fired.  It would not even feed the factory rounds, and I had to send it back to get it worked on.  When it came back, it worked just a good 94 should. 

Graybeard is on the beam about the factory making money on the gun.  The disadvantage is that limited runs would inevitably be collectors and a new generation of users could not emerge as all the guns would be locked up and too expensive to shoot.  Modern manufacturing techniques could cut down on the hand-fitting costs.  I have a Virginian Dragoon that is one of the most accurate single-actions I have ever fired. The trigger is so light, I am not sure about trying to use it with cold fingers.  The business plan was to have such tight tolerances that factory fitting would be unnecessary.  The  fit and finish on my is excellent, so they got it figured out and it can be done. 

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Re: Return of the Savage 99
« Reply #21 on: April 30, 2008, 06:23:03 AM »
I don’t think there is a clear answer one way or the other but I read a similar story about savage having the 99 back on the drawing boards.  

I think if they were going to do it they should make two variations.  

The first being exactly like the originals were made down to the last detail.  Let the nostalgia guys buy these guns and collect them

The second version should have some attempts made to bring the old rifle into the modern market.  This would grind salt into the old school collectors, but time moves on and I don’t remember the last time I saw 300 savage ammo on the shelf.  If they had a magazine fed rifle with good sights in the industry standard type calibers (.308) that was just as accurate as all the other savage rifles I think they might have something they can sell.  

A buddy of mine has an old 99 and he loves it.  It’s a good gun and I can see why so many people liked it so much, but like graybeard mentioned, how many people are actually gonna run out and buy one.

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Re: Return of the Savage 99
« Reply #22 on: April 30, 2008, 08:32:48 AM »
I looked at one last Saturday that had lost most of its bluing and the stock looked like it was varnished using a broom.  I couldn't see the $900 price tag, and the owner wouldn't move on the price.  So if new ones come out I may be one of the ones who buys a new Savage 99.  It is one of the guns I have wanted since I was old enough to know I wanted one (if that makes sense??).
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Re: Return of the Savage 99
« Reply #23 on: April 30, 2008, 11:32:45 AM »
teddy12b, I owned a 99 in .308 several years ago, and it had the brass cartridge counter in it, so wasn't a new gun, for sure. So this would be a remake of the same gun?
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Re: Return of the Savage 99
« Reply #24 on: May 02, 2008, 05:27:58 AM »
Story that I'm hearing is that the new 99 will have a polymer rotary mag. Blasphemous? perhaps, but brings the cost down.

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Re: Return of the Savage 99
« Reply #25 on: May 02, 2008, 05:45:34 AM »
If these are just as accurate as their other rifles, I'm gonna have to buy one if they are reasonably priced.  A lever action 308 with a magazine would really appeal to me.  I'm probably a minority though because my generation wasn't around when they first came out.

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Re: Return of the Savage 99
« Reply #26 on: May 02, 2008, 06:28:34 AM »
    There's nothing wrong with polymers if they're used in the right places.  Polymers help in weight reduction are cheaper than steel to frabricate and are impervious to weather.  Heck if I could find a feather lite 99 with a synthetic stock in 260 Rem I have to sell my 99f in 308....Maybe  ::)

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Re: Return of the Savage 99
« Reply #27 on: May 02, 2008, 06:37:17 AM »
If these are just as accurate as their other rifles, I'm gonna have to buy one if they are reasonably priced.  A lever action 308 with a magazine would really appeal to me.  I'm probably a minority though because my generation wasn't around when they first came out.

Ted, if accuracy is what your looking for, I would look eleswhere? I never considered the Savage 99 as an accurate firearm? Just a "Classiic"!
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Re: Return of the Savage 99
« Reply #28 on: May 02, 2008, 06:54:59 AM »
I'm not talking about 1000 yard competition accuracy but something that I can use inside of 300 yards would nice.  I'm guessing savage would try to make these rifles as accurate as their other ones and if so, that'd be plenty accurate for me.  I like the idea of a light accurate 308.

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Re: Return of the Savage 99
« Reply #29 on: May 03, 2008, 04:34:29 AM »
  S.B., have you ever shot one?  My 99f puts 3 rounds thru one ragged hole at 100 yrds with hand loaded 165gr Game Kings doing 2850fps.  I'd dare you to go to the Savage forum and type that! ;D