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Dutch political leader Geert Wilders may be a dead man walking after releasing a powerful 15 minute internet film Thursday warning of the dangers of Islamification.  On Friday U.N. Secretary-General Ban Ki-moon condemned the film that accuses the Koran of inciting violence as "offensively anti-Islamic."  In less than 24 hours, the UK web site initially carrying the film was forced to remove the link after what they termed, "very serious death threats."  The film depicts Islam in the words of the Koran and its religious leaders.  What is it about the "religion of peace" that stirs up such a reaction?

Warning:  The film is not suitable for children.  The initial scene (from the Madrid Train Bombing) is very graphic.  Click the link at your own risk. 


http://www.powerlineblog.com/archives2/2008/03/020157.php
 
I apologize.  The original link posted here on GB was hacked by Islamofascist bloggers directing you to a site claiming Christians cut up little children.  We can't let these monsters win!

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Re: Fitna - The film the UN does not want you to see
« Reply #1 on: March 29, 2008, 03:19:02 AM »
The link comes up, but the movie won't play....

I've googled it and due to death theats it's been removed?

So much for freedom of speech.....
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Re: Fitna - The film the UN does not want you to see
« Reply #2 on: March 29, 2008, 05:17:47 AM »
after watching that they think they are the religion of peace huh that was sick and disguisting the extremist need to be dealt with that book is why we have so many terrorist and our government is playing into there hands when they take away our guns and rights to protect ourselves sad really sad. 

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Re: Fitna - The film the UN does not want you to see
« Reply #3 on: March 29, 2008, 05:22:02 AM »
I just clicked the link and watched the movie. hey need to be destroyed swiftly and completely
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Re: Fitna - The film the UN does not want you to see
« Reply #4 on: March 29, 2008, 10:39:27 AM »
Like I have been saying all along. They are very sick people. They believe anyone who does not follow Islam must die. Dale
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Re: Fitna - The film the UN does not want you to see
« Reply #5 on: March 29, 2008, 03:14:51 PM »
Hope tm7 got to see it, bet he hated it. The term Godless, subhuman scum comes to mind. I've mentioned before that I lost 2 neices to that Godless cult. Seems now that one of them has left her Godless scum. Said he was abusive, would be gone days at a time, and when asked where he was he'd say,none of your business and you don't want to know. She  wasn't allowed to talk to any of her friends, or his. I hope she's left that Godless cult, but I'll never trust her again. POWDERMAN.  >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:(
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Re: Fitna - The film the UN does not want you to see
« Reply #6 on: March 30, 2008, 02:17:03 PM »
After watching this film I ask my self why have we spent a half trillion dollars in Iraq.

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Re: Fitna - The film the UN does not want you to see
« Reply #7 on: March 31, 2008, 04:54:13 PM »
tm. Heh, I knew ya wouldn't like it. POWDERMAN.  :D :D
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Re: Fitna - The film the UN and the Islamists don't want you to see
« Reply #8 on: March 31, 2008, 05:09:21 PM »
Hey Powderman:  When I saw your post calling TM out, I knew what was coming.  Whatever we propose, he's against it.  The subject of the post isn't entertaining; it's deadly serious.  In fact, Islamic radicals hijacked the Fitna site I originally posted, so it had to be changed.  Anyway...whenever we present an issue, any issue, TM's theme song is posted below:

 http://www.earthstation1.com/Marx_BrosFiles/HF_I'm_Against_It.wav

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« Reply #9 on: March 31, 2008, 05:28:13 PM »
looks like we need to adopt the attitude of "kill em all let god sort them out."
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« Reply #10 on: April 01, 2008, 03:24:10 AM »
tm. Sounds like ya support the iranians too. POWDERMAN.  :( :(
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Re: Fitna - The film the UN does not want you to see
« Reply #11 on: April 02, 2008, 02:51:50 AM »
Do keep in mind that Islam and Judiasm were pretty much the same until Christainaity came along and modified by the Council at Nicea.  So if you like violence and struggle pick one of the three as offered up today, short circuit your intellect, and have at it.

..,.TM7
 

Hmmm, let's look at this;
Beginning of Judaism - 2000 - 1500 BC;
Beginning of Christianity -  33 - 50 AD;
Council of Nicea - 325 AD;
Mohammed - born 570 AD, died 632 AD;
Beginning of Islam - 600 - 622 AD;
Previous religion of the first people who became Muslims - polytheism.

Somehow TM7 is able to connect Judaism and Islam as coexisting with similar beliefs before the Council at Nicea, when Islam didn't even exist until about 300 years after the council.  And then he blames the Council at Nicea for forcing them to be different.  What is wrong with this picture?  Has time been transcended and I missed it?


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« Reply #12 on: April 02, 2008, 03:05:29 AM »
Do keep in mind that Islam and Judiasm were pretty much the same until Christainaity came along and modified by the Council at Nicea.  So if you like violence and struggle pick one of the three as offered up today, short circuit your intellect, and have at it.

..,.TM7
 

Hmmm, let's look at this;
Beginning of Judaism - 2000 - 1500 BC;
Beginning of Christianity -  33 - 50 AD;
Council of Nicea - 325 AD;
Mohammed - born 570 AD, died 632 AD;
Beginning of Islam - 600 - 622 AD;
Previous religion of the first people who became Muslims - polytheism.

Somehow TM7 is able to connect Judaism and Islam as coexisting with similar beliefs before the Council at Nicea, when Islam didn't even exist until about 300 years after the council.  And then he blames the Council at Nicea for forcing them to be different.  What is wrong with this picture?  Has time been transcended and I missed it?



Don't confusr tm with facts. He's read all the right books and everything. POWDERMAN. :D :D
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MAiOEV0v2RM
What part of ILLEGAL is so hard to understand???
I learned everything about islam I need to know on 9-11-01.
http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TDqmy1cSqgo
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_u9kieqGppE&feature=related
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Re: Fitna - The film the UN and the Islamists don't want you to see
« Reply #13 on: April 02, 2008, 05:01:14 AM »
Yeah, "Mein Kampf" and it's Arabic counterpart, the Koran.

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« Reply #14 on: April 02, 2008, 09:30:24 AM »
Have you ever noticed how the pro-Nazi and pro-Islam guys stink (I'm sorry, that should have been stick) together.  Perhaps TM7 should look up real history, not neo-Nazi revisionist history before spouting off!  He probably thinks that Hitler was really a nice guy who was merely misunderstood (as in the "Producers" movie.  I'll bet that besides Hitler, the ex-grand mufti of Jerusalem, Mohammad Amin al-Husayni, is his hero.

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« Reply #15 on: April 02, 2008, 12:49:58 PM »
Boy I bet after watching that our resident Neo Nazi was goose stepping and Heil Hitlering in a euphoric state.
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« Reply #16 on: April 02, 2008, 02:10:55 PM »
I just watched it, it kinda sets the devil to dancing with joy, don't you think?  You notice that the swines wear masks because they are afraid.  Evil hides in the darkness, even if it has to bring it's darkness with it.  Evil teaches to hate, not to love, for God is not in it.  Evil teaches to kill those who try to break away from it's bondage.

I probably shouldn't have said that since I open myself up to charges of intolerance.  I'm sure that the terrorist swine who kill in the name of allah are really gentle, loving people who are just frustrated because we do not understand them.  They want to be tolerant of us, but we won't let them because of our intolerance, and they just want us to share in the love of their god.

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« Reply #17 on: April 02, 2008, 03:28:08 PM »
Have you ever noticed how the pro-Nazi and pro-Islam guys stink (I'm sorry, that should have been stick) together.  Perhaps TM7 should look up real history, not neo-Nazi revisionist history before spouting off!  He probably thinks that Hitler was really a nice guy who was merely misunderstood (as in the "Producers" movie.  I'll bet that besides Hitler, the ex-grand mufti of Jerusalem, Mohammad Amin al-Husayni, is his hero.
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Typical looser response...no analysis, no application of relativity, no substance,no basis for the insults,,,just pure stigma and appeal to emotions and archetypical insinuations. Actually the mark of the real Nazi's here is on you. The author is a respected scholar....you in turn are not in the same class.

...TM7

Loser has 1 "r".  Looser actually refers to someone who loosens.


Anyway,

Notwithstanding, everyone's academic credentials, or lack thereof, I imagine that the fact that a group of people promoting the extermination of all people based on their religion is likely to evoke a fairly non relative response.  I know my witticism's in the past have solicited the same type of responses you've given woody here, but COME ON!  Half of the religon wants to kill us and the other half twists our arm that we are intolerant.

I know you don't condone the extremists (I really do, honestly), but speaking from a fairly well educated middle aged man who desires nothing more than to live peaceably point of view, I submit that extreme Islam is the greatest threat to world peace. 

From your knowledgeable article:

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Because of his Christo-Gnostic-Judaic-quasi-Abrahamic influences, Muhammad naturally expected Christians and Jews, and more especially, those of the Arab-Jewish tribes, to see the light and convert to his new revelation. Surely, thought Muhammad, they will follow me and recognize Allah, but of course, they did not.

 

Regardless if all islams were jews prior to BR549 B.C. it is apparent that at some point of fair amount of intolerance was incorporated into their teachings.  Regardless of any Cristo-Gnostic-Judaic-quasi-Abrhamic influence, I believe there is a phrase for someone who is intolerant to people who shun his views, and uses violence to elicit his will.   Quite possibly Muhammad based an entire religion on it: 

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A report posted on Islam Watch, a site run by Muslims who oppose intolerant teachings and hatred for unbelievers, exposes a prominent Islamic cleric and lawyer who support extreme punishment for non-Muslims — including killing and rape.

A question-and-answer session with Imam Abdul Makin in an East London mosque asks why Allah would tell Muslims to kill and rape innocent non-Muslims, including their wives and daughters, according to Islam Watch.

"Because non-Muslims are never innocent, they are guilty of denying Allah and his prophet," the Imam says, according to the report. "If you don't believe me, here is the legal authority, the top Muslim lawyer of Britain."

The lawyer, Anjem Choudary, backs up the Imam's position, saying that all Muslims are innocent.

"You are innocent if you are a Muslim," Choudary tells the BBC. "Then you are innocent in the eyes of God. If you are not a Muslim, then you are guilty of not believing in God."

Choudary said he would not condemn a Muslim for any action.

"As a Muslim, I must support my Muslim brothers and sisters," Choudary said. "I must have hatred to everything that is not Muslim."

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,344409,00.html

http://www.islam-watch.org/AyeshaAhmed/London-Imam-Attempt-to-Carry-Out-Sunna.htm

If you read the islam watch articles, it almost sounds like the guy was using the Quran as an excuse for attacking a lady.  But others seem to think that the Quran is the impetus for terror, rape and murder.

I wonder just how antagonistic the jews would be right now, if Mohammed and the rest of the extremists hadn't been on their arse to convert since 500 A.D. (plus or minus).


If Islam has a silent majority that avocates peace (like these islam-watch folks) they need to speak up a little more.  Because Satan's apparently in charge of PR right now.

TM, you cite a lot of higher learning, and quite lofty, and really far fetching ideas at times.  But the "duck" theory comes into play at times, and its hard to buy into a lot of acadaemia, that oft times than not, is as self propogating and self serving as politics.


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« Reply #18 on: April 03, 2008, 01:41:26 AM »
The duck theory:  If it looks like a duck, sounds like a duck and walks like a duck.....it's a duck!

By the way, Tm, why don't you call the Americans "the merries"?

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« Reply #19 on: April 03, 2008, 02:13:30 AM »
duck theory

walks like a duck, looks like a duck - its a duck.

In hopes that I am not the next dutch politician that needs to seek shelter, its my opinion, given the time line of the religions, that regardless of the worshipping practice of Arabs prior to the BigMo, Judaism seeks to promote the faith by devotion to God, whereas Islam, via Mo, seeks to promote the faith by establishing an us vs them mentality.
The quotes from the Kuran you posted as part of your article certainly show a lot of explicit reference to Judaism and Christianity.

Your 40 year old Kuran may have been a gentler and softer book, but the quote from your article says it all, Muhammed couldn't understand why they wouldn't follow.  He thought it was obvious. A lot of people in the Christian faith thought the same way about Jesus, the difference being that the New Testament doesn't advocate, in any way, killing, raping, or additional taxes on non-believers. 

I would be interested in seeing the translation of the Fitna passages from your copy.

Correcting the spelling was simply a bad attempt at intro.

Lastly, analysis and research aren't always the answer.  Back in my heyday, I could  twist statistics with the best of them, even if it wasn't malicious, but after I was done, the "facts" looked the way I wanted them to.

From a visceral response, all I know is that there is a difference in my mind between some cold war communist trying to undermine me, and someone trying to do the same in the name of the Almighty.  Regardless if Fitna is jewish born propoganda or not, how much of the terror is fact?  How much of it is justifiably based on the rantings of Mo?

I've had acquaintances in the past that were Muslim, and where unable to really quell my fears that the terror was sanctioned by their religion, just telling me that that type of behavior "Is not so".  That requires a big gut check to buy into in the light of all the killing.  You may consider the "Westerners" going ballistic, but I see it more as a defensive response.  And the fact that the Jews and Muslims don't get along is their own accord. 

We, westerners, are involved strictly because we are afraid (justifiably?). 

But its easier to blame it on catering to the Israelies.  I see a lot of people doing that.

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« Reply #20 on: April 03, 2008, 02:48:32 AM »
It appears that whenever a Muslim rapes, murders and destroys in the name of Allah, he is innocent in the eyes of followers of Islam.  And whenever a non-Muslim is critical of anything that extremist Muslims do, or of their religion and it's founder, the self-proclaimed prophet Mohamed, or happes to belong to a hated religion, they are marked for death in the most horrible method possible.  And this behavior is not only tolerated, but is justified by the Muslim clerics/authorities.  And the world sits around, watches, tolerates this, and greets them with open arms.

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« Reply #21 on: April 03, 2008, 10:46:36 AM »
OK , whats new ?
been going on for decades .
those that would watch the clip already know !
those that back down have already lost !
sooner or later we will have to kick azz and take names .
Bush knows that !
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« Reply #22 on: April 03, 2008, 11:35:00 AM »
NC surveyor....Dr. Rhome points out that Ismael with Abraham laid the first stones of the ka'aba on the foundation built by Adam and as quoted in the Bible.  Thereby indicating the roots of the three religions have a common tap and were never designed to be at odds with each other. Anybody can go to scriptures of the three religions and find some pretty arcane references to violence, slavery, genocide, retributions, taxes, etc.,etc., so in fact comparatively indicating that islam is a mirror of judiasm, and each claiming they gave birth to the other.  It is really only the Christians that believe islam miraculously appeared in 600ad with the cannon writer, Mohammed, who mulled over the same apocrypha that the early Christians and Gnostics mulled over.  Also interesting to note activist Jesus never thought his teachings should ever be cut out as a separate religion, but should remain under the jewish mantle; and which it has been brought back under today.
Thinking that the islamics hold the monopoly on terror, violence, and uncivilized behavior is simply note borne out by history.  I think it was Leon Uris that said,
"Terror is the war of the poor--War is the terror of the rich." In any case modern Israel was hatched from terror and subversion, and still relys on it this day.

...TM7

Been careful not to infer the beginnings of Islam, and its quite possible that what was Islam at inception is different than what it is now.

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Anybody can go to scriptures of the three religions and find some pretty arcane references to violence, slavery, genocide, retributions, taxes, etc.,etc.,
    I would have to disagree with that, in the context that I don't believe Jesus advocated any of these.  The fact that you can attribute these things to Chritianity in any form is because of references to the OT via:
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Also interesting to note activist Jesus never thought his teachings should ever be cut out as a separate religion, but should remain under the jewish mantle; and which it has been brought back under today.

Consider this:

While one may consider that the Crusades were started with a small group that thought one way, and thousands of followers, and the Holocaust started with a small group that thought one way with thousands of followers, how do we attribute Islamic terrorsists?

Is it one small group (Muhammad and Imams) with thousands of followers?  Or is it thousands of people who think that way?

Where is the exposure to the peaceful Muslims, that we should see more and more since its the most popular religion in the world now according to the Vatican?  Perhaps they are the silent majority of Islam, because they have no interest in speaking up and stopping the extremists?

If that's the case, then the religion promotes violence by default.

Or they don't exist.

And it has nothing to do with the Jewish terrorists.

I would love to think differently.  Thinking the worst of people just isn't healthy.  But you stay alive longer.......

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« Reply #23 on: April 04, 2008, 04:58:02 AM »
Wow, I have never been likened to an anti-gunner.

I have been careful, I think, not to espouse intervention, confiscation, proactive control, etc.  My point here is that it is possible, with a certain amount of logical and emotional thought processes together, to have the impression that Islam is a violent anti [Christian/Jewish/western] religion, and that it is such regardless of any alleged antagonism by the U.S. or Israel.

I also feel that these thoughts can be had without finding it necessary to ultimately flip flopping the finger pointing back and forth to the point where the Jewish people are responsible for all the hatred in the world.

I feel that I am wholly (Holy) justified in criticizing the silent majority of Muslims for not speaking out or becoming involved, regardless if I criticize the interventions performed by the hands of Christians or Jews.   Which, when someone kills in the name of either religion, I speak out on those occasions too.  But its hard for me to single out the Israelis for blowing up Hamas, when Hamas still lets loose with a rocket every now and then.

They can have their little pi$$ing match.  But when the radical islamics take pride in torturing and killing Americans as an act of their faith, simply because the U.S. supports Israel, AND then, they get all bewildered because we decide to run rough shod through Iraq, I must admit, that the whole argument looks like an excuse for interupting someones plan for domination.

Doesn't that seem odd to you?  To say that in the name of "Allah" we will blow up the WTC, and try to attack innocents on your soil, but if you were to do the same to us, that's unfair?


If you get some quiet time of contemplation today, think about a well organized group of zealots that were killing people in the name of "TM7's wife" (Or something or somebody else that you really believed in).  They just really believed in killing for that reason.  And get away with it for a long time.  Wouldn't that bother you to the point of action?  I don't advocate the killing, but I don't believe in having to live in terror also.  If someone out there thinks that Islam is getting a bum rap, then they need to speak up.  Since we hear very little, what can we assume?  Are the silent majority being silenced by  their leaders, and if so, then their leaders need overthrown from within or will face the music of those they offend (their logic when they let loose on us)

Its not an apple-apple comparison, but if you believe in your God, and you believe in your wife, its not too hard to make the stretch.

We spend a lot of thought separating church and state here that it makes it hard to fathom the Middle East, but when a theocracy supports violence in the name of its god, and they get stepped on, you can't claim "foul" for religious intolerance.  And it does muddy things up for keeping religion and politics seperate.

Who does it benefit?  Don't know.  The big question is why does it benefit.  You can pay for a "good time" if need be, but when it comes right down to it, I am not sure what world domination gets the dominator, when its all said and done.



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Re: Fitna - The film the UN and the Islamists don't want you to see
« Reply #24 on: April 05, 2008, 10:47:12 AM »
TM7 I must admit you've gone one warped sense of the world and the relationship of muzlims to the rest of us in it. Perhaps some day you'll wake up, smell the roses and realize just how wrong you are. Then again maybe not, maybe you'll continue in your bliss until some muzzie beheads you like they so love to do to folks who are not muzzies.


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Re: Fitna - The film the UN and the Islamists don't want you to see
« Reply #25 on: April 05, 2008, 03:13:03 PM »
TM7 I must admit you've gone one warped sense of the world and the relationship of muzlims to the rest of us in it. Perhaps some day you'll wake up, smell the roses and realize just how wrong you are. Then again maybe not, maybe you'll continue in your bliss until some muzzie beheads you like they so love to do to folks who are not muzzies.
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Re: Fitna - The film the UN and the Islamists don't want you to see
« Reply #26 on: April 06, 2008, 02:34:23 AM »
Tis true regarding my concerns about 9-11 and November of 2012. I do also agree that this massive effort to push a one world government is a serious concern.

I'm just not so convinced as you that Israel or Jews or Zionism as you like to put it is the problem. How anyone can over look what islam is about and is doing is a mystery to me.

I guess my conclusion is that big money is behind most of the bad things coming from the one world government efforts. I see islam as a totally separate issue and in fact it is an enemy to big money interests as well however they (big money) might be using islam to further their agenda. I do think however they are underestimating the danger islam is to them and to the rest of us as well. I think you also are under estimating the danger of islam and over stating the part jews or zionism is playing.


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Re: Fitna - The film the UN and the Islamists don't want you to see
« Reply #27 on: April 06, 2008, 02:39:04 AM »
tm. Make that pledge yourself, it could be 100,001. POWDERMAN.  >:( >:(
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